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posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 05:27 AM
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Thanks for that, i would like to say it was a typo of mine, but i'm afraid i was just ignorant. Thankyou.
But that is again what i'm trying to hint at. The dieties presented in many religions always seem to come with a varying amount of mythology, all of which could indicate some sort of "Alien presence", so i'd like to hear Shadows take on these things.

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Yes, as a practitioner of Tai Chi, it is something that has astounded me, so to hear what Shadow has to say on the subject would be interesting.

reply to post by LaurenVirgo
 


Have a star, i have often wondered if Reincarnation exists, (which i firmly believe it to) how does the whole, ghost system work. It my head it worked out that they are contrasting factors and cannot exists together, so i just eliminated the idea of family members ghosts etc.

I'm going to guess that you didn't have enough time to answer my question shadow, which is fair enough.
I eagerly await your reply.



[edit on 14-6-2010 by OrionTri]



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 10:27 PM
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@ OrionTri

It's all good man. I'm a Buddhist when I have to identify a religious belief. And I do find many of the traditions, scriptures, morals, codes and philosophy to be very enlightening, fulfilling, and generally positive. So, I've done my fair share of "history time" on Buddhism.

I'm curious to see what Shadow has to say on the "chariots of the Gods" concept. While I don't typically accept that Zeus, Ra, Thor, Anu, or Brahma are aliens, I do have personal research and studying linking those cultures with each other, and with certain celestial objects and events. Which in my eyes means that ancient religious folk were more aware of Earth's position in the cosmos than we give them credit for.

None the less, I eagerly await Shadow's explanation to your questions as well.

 


@ Lauren

u2u me sometime. I'll lay out my beliefs on ancestors, ghosts, spirits, dwellers and the like for you. This being Shadow's thread, I won't clutter the board with philosophy that is obviously (by his own admission) in opposition to his beliefs.

~ Scribe



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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Now now Scribe your philosophy is always welcome and I will not be offended by it. So it is ok we learn all from each other so please share it would be great to know your view on things as well.

Love and Light as always.


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OrionTri

I will write to your reply soon I am trying to contact them my self and so far I got an odd visit also a pretty strong energy pattern. So will write to you soon and reply.

Love and Light as always.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 02:43 AM
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Very interesting thread!

NS, what do you believe of God (The Creator).

When do you think the end times are upon us?

Light and love to you as well!



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 07:54 AM
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God is like energy that is the amazing thing of all and yet he/she can take on a physical form for us to see her/him as a physical being. When we think and see energy everything is made of it. These bodies and this world all strings also webs of energy connected into a giant link of strings also ties.

There is never an end for people do not yet fully understand this these bodies are mere vessels we use to contain parts of our learning souls. To learn, experience, understand and come to do our tasks or things we came here to do. One fears death for they do not understand that it is a mere part of the physical learning. Those that do not have memories of who they truly are do not understand what death is. That when you die you learn the truth about who you truly are and what God is also what she/he is in our life.

I might be young but I experienced so much in my life and seen also touched/felt so many amazing things. That this all these experiences make me at times feel privileged for learning the truth of this world and the Universe. Yet at most times I am sad and I see so many still a sleep in the thick mist that does not let them see or hear the words of truth also see the light. This is why I share my experiences and also try to help people awaken to the real world that they do not see.

I am not religious and never has been for my whole life thus I do not have the need for those beliefs. I believe in what I have seen, felt and touched also experienced with many of those I am friends with. I am sorry if I have ever pushed your religious beliefs and challenged them. Thus I apologize to any one who I have offended.

Still there is no end nor there is ever a beginning things just simply were. We are all connected to everything and all we must do is just start waking up. I am here to stay for this lifetime to help people see and hear the truth. So this is why I like to help people and help them wake up.

Anyway Love and Light to you my friend also I give you all the best.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 08:07 AM
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I think I did not answer properly the end times question. So I will say that this year and the following year or two. Things will start to surface more and more eventually several events will happen. I can not tell you the dates nor the times for that I am sorry my friend. I was told not to do it until it is the time. But I can only tell you the years also that once this ride starts it will take at least 4 years to cool off. The ride started at the beginning of this year so the next 2 years will be the breaking points. 2014 is going to be a peak period when there are plans to land ships here.

I was told though that it might happen sooner then those scales of time. Because this planet and the human race have entered a intergalactic pact in the last disclosure meeting. Stating that the races that belong to the Federation will start landing ships if things get out of hand here. So this is a strong hope that we might see other races coming to this planet in physical form soon.

Yet we must also keep in mind that there are those out there that want to make this race and planet go through hell. It is also a basic part of who lands and gets here first. I have monitored the Star Gate above the planet several times and I have picked up also seen many ships coming through(Yes people Star Gates are real and not some typical movie fantasy). So I strongly believe that the right guys will land here soon more and more ships are poring in through the gate day by day. I'm keeping my fingers crossed also hope that they will land sooner then planned so we will not have to go through the events.

Again Love and Light hope this gave you a better idea to the answer on your question.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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Alright Shadow, I'll give you a small introduction to my Afterlife beliefs and theories. Since the topic being discussed is on personal spirits and ghosts (those of deceased loved ones) I'll stick to just that aspect.

 


The first thing to realize is that a ghost, a spirit, a specter, and an apparition all constitute different things. In order to understand my belief system, you must first understand my classification methods. So, here you go:

Ghosts are vaporous manifestations of a deceased being. A ghost is not limited to being simply human, but can also be animal-like. In order for me to classify something as a "ghost" it must perform routine actions repetitively (more on that later).

Orbs are a form of ghost, particularly, the emotional remnants of a ghost. Now, this is probably a confusing concept for most, but consider the science behind emotions, if you will. Emotions cause chemical reactions in the brain. These reactions send various substances and energies flowing through the body. These substances and energies are newly created. Being that energy cannot be destroyed it follows that energy created by emotions remains as residual forms in our world, also known as orbs. Now, orbs consisting of nothing more than dust/water molecules are not the same thing. They are simply dust/water molecules being photographically captured.

Spirits are entirely incorporeal manifestations of energy and consciousness. A spirit does not manifest on our plane of existence — no matter what spiritualists try to tell you — because their anatomy is not of a physical/liquid/gaseous substance. Spirits, in my belief, are classified as constructs of the mind. As such, it requires an alteration of perception to witness their presence in whatever manner you do.

Specters and Apparitions are a little bit harder to tell apart. Firstly, a specter does not need to have any particular form. It can appear as a gaseous cloud, the outline of a being, or even just random lights. The big thing to remember is that a specter causes discomfort at it's appearance. An apparition is kind of the opposite. Apparitions must manifest as forms, and when they do they must have a defined purpose, usually to mouth/speak omens and portents. Apparitions do not necessarily cause discomfort, although they can.

 


There are many, many more labels and terms for ghostly-figures. I'll leave my dictionary at those five though. The second thing to understand concerning my beliefs is that I subscribe to a multi-verse cosmology, where each parallel Universe is substantial to the cosmogony. In simpler language, that means I believe there are different Universes stacked above, below, and on either side of our own.

In my beliefs, each of these parallel dimension/Universes is called a Plane of Existence. A majority of religious Afterlives and spiritual strata exist among these Planes of Existence. Each plane however, is governed by a certain type of existence. For example:

• Our Universe is governed by physicality. We have flesh-and-blood bodies here, so we are a part of the Physical Plane of Existence. However, we also feel the "bodies" of several other Planes of Existence coinciding with our own. Hence we have thoughts, emotions, physical bodies, liquid bodies, gaseous bodies, cellular bodies, and more.

• The Astral Plane of Existence, as you and many others' call it represents another plane, complete with it's own form of body. In this case, it is the body acquired from cosmological creation, or the star-stuff body. In my belief system the only thing present on the Astral Plane of Existence is left-over star-dust, solar energy, and chaotic material from the entropy which our Universe sprang from. However, as with the physical body we are close enough to certain other parallel Planes that our conscience, physical appearance, emotional body, and several others can still be felt.

In total, my current belief structure holds that there are numerous Planes of Existence constituting numerous possible places to go. An emotional plane, a physical plane, a consciousness plane, a blood/phlegm plane, an atomic plane, and on and on. At the same time, much of religious lore also occupies it's own plane. The Christian Heaven represents a body Christians believe they have. Muslim paradise represents a body they belief they possess, etc.

 


So what of Lauren then? Here is what my beliefs say about her loved ones.

1. They are spirits, constituting incorporeal material, but also consciousness. This means they exist on the Astral, the Consciousness, and the Energy Planes of Existence for sure. Being such, they would be considered spirits, not ghosts.

2. Since they discussed fears and worries with her through an intermediate, this means their emotional responses are also complete still. So they must also exist on the Emotional Plane of Existence, which means it is also possible for them to exist on our Plane as orbs.

3. Existing on the Consciousness, Astral, Energy, and Emotional Planes signifies at least four "bodies" of theirs remain. This means that it is very likely they have found an "Afterlife" to sync up with, where some Divine Energy (be it God, or a god, or just some spiritual love-fest) is reconciling and creating a backup of them so that they may "live" on through the various Planes of Existence.

My conclusion: it is highly likely that Lauren's deceased loved ones are alive and well, albeit on a non-physical plane. And that she herself will have the same opportunities to exist alongside them when it is her turn to Cross the Great Divide.

 


There you go, Shadow. A small sampling since I only have minimum characters I can utilize to explain it. Hope it's satisfactory to your inquiries.

~ Wandering Scribe



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 01:13 PM
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A star for you, purely for the mention of star-stuff, nice to see I'm not the only one that uses that phrase


I quite like how you see the world(s) around us, it's similarish to the way I view it, layer upon layer


- Phoenix



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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Thanks for the star


I use a lot of literalism when it comes to words and phrases used in spirituality.

"of, relating to, emanating from, or resembling the stars" is the primary definition of the word astral. Therefore an astral body would be a body "of, relating to, emanating from, or resembling the stars".

Since the stars are made up of gas, dust, energy, heat, light and various chemical compounds the astral body would be composed of these same forces.

 


My Teacher-cum-friend originally introduced me to the multi-verse concept which I prescribe to (different from other "multi-verse" theories). She spent almost 20 years researching it (she fell 3 short of 20) and I've spent the past 7 of my own continuing her pursuit.

I'm glad some of the concepts extend beyond just her and I.


~ Scribe



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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Quite an interesting read! I thoroughly enjoyed that. And yes...I do believe that they are somewhere that must serve as an Afterlife. I have asked them, and they have said they are happy where they are and that they are in heaven. And by "heaven" I mean a happy and final place.

Anyways, they also said "god" existed but not quite in the sense that is commonly believed. I only wish they could have elaborated on this. But I do firmly believe in the afterlife and I believe in some kind of creator. Whatever it/they may be. I took much comfort in talking to them because it made me a little less afraid of death. The only thing I fear is the process of it, lol.

But I find it interesting that we come in contact with them. I know they are with me often. I know when they're there because of the response from my kittens. The first time I spoke to them, when I was done, I asked one of my grandma's to show me she was here by grabbing my cats attention. And at that instant one of my cats (the most intuitive of the two) whipped her head around and just stared directly in front of her for quite some time until I said thank you to my grandma and then it stopped. It's so amazing to me.

Also, I'm interested in these orbs. The night that the other grandmother had passed away, we noticed something strange. We hadn't known she had passed away yet, but we knew she was in the hospital. We had taken these pictures of my brother and looked at the camera after we'd taken them. We noticed these bubbles all around him. Kind of in a string. And for some reason we just felt like it was her. We just knew it. And then about half an hour later we got the call saying she had passed away just 30 minutes before their call. I firmly believe it was her. I don't know if that relates at all to what you're talking about...I'm just curious, lol. Because there seems to be a circular theme here.

And I find the whole specter thing interesting. I've never actually heard of that before. But, as ridiculous as it sounds, I believe my brother has experienced this. About a month ago, my brother was up alone and he said he noticed something floating across the room. He said it was "wispy and ripply." It just floated across his room and slowly disappeared. It scared him so much that he woke me up and asked to stay in my room. He doesn't mess around with that kind of thing. So I'm inclined to believe him. The only thing is I don't know whether or not his mind was playing tricks on him or if he really saw what he saw. Would you classify that as a "specter"?

Anyways, I've gone on long enough, lol.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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Simply WOW
It is so amazing the share fact that some ETs do adapt the philosophy you do is mind blowing. I do thank you for such an interesting explanation and wish to say I will never challenge you again. There is no need for that my friend and we can now work together on things. So I believe we should start working together and I should explain a bit more to you. Through out the understanding of pure interest I do wish to ask you something.

Have you been in the Council Chamber before??

Also have you ever felt being pulled out of your bed but there was no one there???

I am simply asking this one due to the fact that I was being pulled out of my bed at 3am. So I was feeling energy and a force around me when I was being pulled more of floating out of my bed. I also heard a strange dialogue it was ET like not sure which race. In any case I was very aware at that moment and felt everything it was not a dream. It does make me wonder was this an abduction attempt


Maybe it was but if it was I guess they did a poor job because I woke up as soon as I was starting to be lifted off my bed.

Anyway get back at me when you have the time.


Love and Light to you againt thank you for explaining several things.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 07:40 PM
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It's good to know that you've received some amount of closure concerning the passing away, and rising again of your grandparents. Don't worry about me misinterpreting "Heaven", I am well aware of numerous "heavens" present throughout the ancient and modern world.


Anyways, they also said "god" existed but not quite in the sense that is commonly believed


I respectfully refrain from commenting upon this matter, ha ha. My definition of God, and yours will probably not coincide.


I took much comfort in talking to them because it made me a little less afraid of death


As a Buddhist I embrace the passing away, and rising up of the human body. Death is but a doorway to another world, countless worlds if you subscribe to the same theories as I do.


But I find it interesting that we come in contact with them. I know they are with me often. I know when they're there because of the response from my kittens... ...I said thank you to my grandma and then it stopped. It's so amazing to me


I'm glad you're able to communicate and experience their presence. I'm sure it's a big relief to you.


Also, I'm interested in these orbs


You've describe the orb phenomenon as I understand it. The passing of your relative caused the emotional residue (orbs) to start floating around your brother. Maybe he was one of Grandma's favorites.

However, I won't say for certain without having seen the photographs if you photographically captured these orbs. I hope you can understand why, what with all of the water/dust mistaken for orbs.


I find the whole specter thing interesting...


Your experience here sounds a lot like a classic case of a specter. The term simply referring to a "spectral phantom". Spectral here meaning "of or related to phantoms" or "of or produced by a spectrum" such as the light spectrum.

I look forward to hearing more from you.

~ Scribe

 

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It is so amazing the share fact that some ETs do adapt the philosophy you do is mind blowing


Yes, Shadow, I am sure that all-of-a-sudden many of your extra-terrestrial buddies suddenly share a philosophy with us petty human vessels.

I totally saw that one coming the moment that I posted my response, thank-you for doing exactly as I imagined.

I digress though.


Have you been in the Council Chamber before


Nope.


Also have you ever felt being pulled out of your bed but there was no one there


Oh yes, plenty of times.

Sometimes the assailant is an incorporeal being made of one of the "bodies" I describe in my post.

Sometimes the assailant isn't even invisible.

Sometimes the assailant happens to be a neurological and sleep-related disorder known as Hypnogogia.


I was being pulled out of my bed at 3am...
I was feeling energy and a force around me...
I was being pulled more of floating out of my bed...
heard a strange dialogue...
It does make me wonder was this an abduction attempt


That sounds exactly like Hypnogogia. Just search for the term in the ATS search bar and read Rising Against's thread about the phenomenon. He does a phenomenon job of presenting all of the scientific data required to explain your event.

Ciao for now,

~ Wandering Scribe



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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I respectfully refrain from commenting upon this matter, ha ha. My definition of God, and yours will probably not coincide.


I would love to hear it. I love hearing new ideas!


As a Buddhist I embrace the passing away, and rising up of the human body. Death is but a doorway to another world, countless worlds if you subscribe to the same theories as I do.


When you say that, do you mean reincarnation?


You've describe the orb phenomenon as I understand it. The passing of your relative caused the emotional residue (orbs) to start floating around your brother. Maybe he was one of Grandma's favorites.


Yes, he was the only one of us who was actually related to her. He's my half brother but she took me in as her own



However, I won't say for certain without having seen the photographs if you photographically captured these orbs. I hope you can understand why, what with all of the water/dust mistaken for orbs.


Definitely understood. It's a shame I don't have them on my computer.


Your experience here sounds a lot like a classic case of a specter. The term simply referring to a "spectral phantom". Spectral here meaning "of or related to phantoms" or "of or produced by a spectrum" such as the light spectrum.


Interesting! I'll tell my brother about this actually.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by LaurenVirgo]



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 10:55 PM
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I can't believe this thread is still going on. Neon? Get real. Lmao.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 11:48 PM
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When you say that, do you mean reincarnation


Of a sort. Buddhist theology recognizes the doctrine of Reincarnation — called the Wheel of Saṃsāra — as taught by Hinduism. However, Buddhism differs from Hinduism on the permanence of the Wheel of Saṃsāra.

According to the Hindu the Wheel of Saṃsāra has no escape, just a gradual rising in your reincarnated form from various substances to animals, from various animals to humans, up through various human caste systems, and from humans to divinities.

According to the Buddhist, the Wheel of Saṃsāra may be escaped by reaching Nirvana. Once Nirvana has been attained, a soul is no longer reborn as substance, animal, human or divinity, but instead reaches a state of no more birth.

I digress though, this is only partially what I intended with my comment. My intent was to state that a body can be reborn innumerable times on our Plane of Existence. However, I do not believe that what is commonly called the Soul is reborn as a human. Instead, I believe that physical body material is recycled, but a soul forever continues to dissipate throughout the various Planes of Existence.

Meaning, your Grandparents may never again possess a human form, but they will continue to possess their astral, spectral, emotional, conscious, and related bodies for many, many more generations. Like all things though, such bodies too will one day deteriorate, leaving the deceased to inhabit some other, unknowable form. Hence the falling of the body, and the rising of the body.

 



Yes, he was the only one of us who was actually related to her. He's my half brother but she took me in as her own


Score one for the Scribe!

 



I would love to hear it. I love hearing new ideas


My theories on God... hmm. Alright, maybe just a little bit.

Primarily, I don't consider God to be a form, a figure, or anything quantifiable. God is a concept, an idea, a formulation. Possibly a string of random mathematical formulas.

Most likely an amalgamated tulpa born of the thoughts, emotions, ideas, and constructs of the incalculable number of sentient beings which have come into, and exited existence.

Consequently God is neither he, nor she, nor it, nor even God as we've so quaintly termed the construct. God is a giant ball — though not really a ball — of everything that God has ever been considered. This Ball-of-God is off existing — though not existing as well — in some noumenal state of non-existing-existence.

God cannot be seen, cannot be heard, cannot be felt, touched, sensed, or known. So instead humanity and all other sentient beings have constructed a multitude of what they consider to be God or gods to fill the empty hole that is what God is/was/will be.

So, how does this apply to creation and cosmology? It doesn't. Natural processes, the Big Bang, Evolution, biology, and various other sciences explain why we're here, and by what road we came. God's only purpose as creator is an afterthought, from before we really understood our own history.

Which means THE God/s is/are just kind of off drifting around the various Planes of Existence where their form of creation dictates them to be. A God born of love and lust is reigning on the Emotional Plane. A God constructed of ideas and notions is floating around on the Mental Plane of Existence, and so on and so forth.

And now that I've no doubt confused you, I will end my little trip here. Allow this all to sink in, and wait for the inevitable questions that typically follow whenever I let my own theories hit the light.

~ Scribe



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 06:28 AM
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Interesting. I love discussing God, so without differing the topic too much, I'll see if i can add to the discussion.

What you mentioned at the beginning probably lies closest to my views; God is a mathematical formula.

As the Universe is governed by scientific formula and laws, my main firm belief in God is that "it" is simply a code, a code that everything in the program created by the code must comply with.
I like maths, so i'll put it in numbers. (Well, letters)

This is just an example, obviously i do not know the code for creation.

Our Universe = X

X = 2p - 6g * V

P, G and V are all other laws of science etc, but all the laws of science must all fit in with eachother. As we progress our understanding of science, we come to reshape certain laws, realise certain holes and redefine previously impossible things. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light is an example of a scientific law, but that may be broken as we understand more and more about science.

I'm pretty bad at explaining things, but i hope this helps. So creation is all one big long complicated coding that creates the physical Universe.

I think one aspect of my theory is that we could actually come to "understand" God. We could, with enough time, actually work out the formula and coding of our own universe. In fact, we're doing it everyday; well, trying atleast.

Golden Ratio

This one might tickle your pickle; it shows how a certain ratio and law is found almost everywhere, and is further evidence of coding.

This is my main concept of God, and as you can see, it isn't an intelligence of any sort and it does not interfere with human life.

My other "God" is probability.





[edit on 16-6-2010 by OrionTri]



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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Interesting to learn that you subscribe to the Unified Field Theory, OrionTri. My own beliefs do accept the possibility that such a quantum connection exists between all existent matter, laws, and theories behind the mechanics of our Universe. I don't really call it God though, I just call it Nature, the Way, or typically mathematical science, which is what it really is.

Footprints of this Grand Design are left throughout all of existence. Your mention of the Golden Ratio, also known as the Fibonacci Sequence is one example.

Another being the breakdown of human anatomy; specifically the way that our bodies perfectly balance out. For a reference see Leonardo Da Vinci's Vitruvian Man.

Heck, to pull religious literature into the system too, take a look at the Hebrew language, or Egyptian Hieroglyphs. In Hebrew a system called Gematria utilizes the letters (broken into three categories: single, double, mother) to formulate connections between words based only on numerical values. And if you want a real dazzler, just study Egyptian Hieroglyphs and how their entire language represents numeric values, words, individual sounds, images, meanings and more all without changing the structure.

It's really a complex thing. But I don't think it's God. I think it's just humanity's insane ability to formulate familiarity and meaning from otherwise obscure and meaningless substance.

What do you think OrionTri, since you're pioneering the introduction of the mathematical God here, I'm curious of your opinions on what I've offered.

~ Scribe

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posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 12:51 PM
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Precisely. I see all these as "signs" that a design has been made.
Like you say, it's like a grand design. If you were making a house, certain things would need to be to scale, for example, all doors would need to be the same height. This is similar with the Universe, there are so many similarities between things.

For a person who believes in a intelligent God, these would be signs of intelligent design, but to me, as a rather mathematical person, it is a sign of mathematical formula present throughout the Universe.

I haven't studied hieroglyphics atall actually, but they've always seemed to fascinate me, so thank you for pointing that out.


obscure and meaningless substance.


No such thing.

I dislike the word God in this subject, as due to the popularity of the view of God as an intelligent, interacting being, that is usually what comes to mind when God is mentioned.

Think of it as a program, with a rule, an input and an output.

The Unified Field (Theory) is the rule, and our Universe is the output. But, the real question for me, is what was the input?

[edit on 16-6-2010 by OrionTri]



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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Interesting to learn that you subscribe to the Unified Field Theory, OrionTri. My own beliefs do accept the possibility that such a quantum connection exists between all existent matter, laws, and theories behind the mechanics of our Universe. I don't really call it God though, I just call it Nature, the Way, or typically mathematical science, which is what it really is.

Footprints of this Grand Design are left throughout all of existence. Your mention of the Golden Ratio, also known as the Fibonacci Sequence is one example.

Another being the breakdown of human anatomy; specifically the way that our bodies perfectly balance out. For a reference see Leonardo Da Vinci's Vitruvian Man.

Heck, to pull religious literature into the system too, take a look at the Hebrew language, or Egyptian Hieroglyphs. In Hebrew a system called Gematria utilizes the letters (broken into three categories: single, double, mother) to formulate connections between words based only on numerical values. And if you want a real dazzler, just study Egyptian Hieroglyphs and how their entire language represents numeric values, words, individual sounds, images, meanings and more all without changing the structure.

It's really a complex thing. But I don't think it's God. I think it's just humanity's insane ability to formulate familiarity and meaning from otherwise obscure and meaningless substance.

What do you think OrionTri, since you're pioneering the introduction of the mathematical God here, I'm curious of your opinions on what I've offered.

~ Scribe

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Scribe, I wonder if you could help me ?

I am particularly interested in ancient Egypt(ians) and of course heiroglyphs ... so I found your mention of the numerical value of heiroglyphics etc intriguing.

I am writing about our original source and the ancients at the moment ... and I have always known that mathematics plays a big (if not the biggest) part in that source ... especially from a chemical formulae and reaction perspective (natural alchemy if you will).

However that said I have a major problem ... as a natural 'right-brainer' I look at numbers and I see patterns that I 'feel' a total understanding of, really deep down in my brain somewhere (these patterns fascinate me because I recognize the importance of this dormant understanding) ... unfortunately the reality of the matter is that the left-hemisphere of my brain ... that would explain such recognitions to me, seems to switch off the minute it realizes numbers / mathematics are involved ... as a result after the initial glimpse of total understanding passes ... I am left 'blank' and feeling stupid.


So, is there any way you could explain in more depth about the 'numerical value' of Egyptian heiroglyphics and particularly the 'sound value' ... I have always thought that sound / resonance / acoustics / vibration etc plays another massive part in our journey to understanding of 'the whole'.

If you could do this in an 'idiots guide' kind of way I would be eternally grateful.


Woody



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 05:04 AM
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OrionTri

I have great news and some little bad ones. What you asked me to look for did come back with a reply. A really odd reply that is the connected feeling you had with China and the Jade Emperor also the Tao is a positive connection. I was contacted I believe by an old monk as far as I could tell. Thus the message is this "You walk a hard road of a thousand years, for birth of a flower is a balance in the world you seek. Where the dragons roam will you find the answer to the truth within you ".

Not sure what it means OrionTri I guess it is for you to find out after all. So it is your road that you must travel and many are here to help my friend. I am still trying to establish proper contact with the race, but this is as far as I have gotten. Sorry



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