Iranian Election Protesters Executed

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Wow the Christian Science Monitor looking to exploit the situation in Iran and the BBC claim that the Green Way Movement is real.

Not any less reliable than "PressTV" Iran...

Yet sadly its Western Media purporting what is supposedly happening in Iran with no link to actual Iranian Sources.

So unless it comes from the State approved Iranian Media I guess it's completely fact less?

Nice try.

So what we see here is in fact just more coordinated Pahlavi propaganda through western news sources aimed at emotionally appealing to Regime Change.

Call it what you like. These sources can't be "Executed in the name of God " into submission

You wouldn't actually be able to find an Iranian Source for this Iranian Grass Roots Movement would you?

Why are they more credible?

You know the one supposedly founded by Mousavi the hard line former Iranian President and opposition leader that founded Hezbollah in Lebanon and blew up our U.S. Marine Barracks there that you are so anxious to have the Iranian Nuclear Football in his hands?

You know that's like the tenth time you have brought that up.
Let me ask you a question. Which Organization was he affiliated with at the time? Oh YES the "Iranian Government" Interesting how they "Were" capable of such actions yet now they are not?



[edit on 29-1-2010 by SLAYER69]

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

You mean after they over throw the puppet government already installed... Also you didn't happen to comment on the whole free speech deal and if this was that country you'd be getting lined up as well, suppose thats just too on the money for you to answer it. Deny deflect Avoid.

These people weren't arrested though for using free speech, they were arrested for detroying property, assaulting crowd control police and events that led to the deaths of at least 8 Iranians.

You would actually have to read the whole article referenced in the opening piece to understand that.

Now lets talk about free speech and what happened in the G-20 in Pittsburgh where Crowd Control Police who by the way just like Iran have POLICE printed on their identical black shirts even though Iranians speak Farsi and POLICE is a funny thing for them to have on their uniforms unless its a low budget Tel Aviv production...

Any way AMERICAN protestors in PITTSBURGH USA had SOUND CANNONS, TEAR GAS, BATONS, RUBBER BULLETS, BEAN BAG BULLETS and other forms of POLICE BRUTALITY aimed at them for exercising their right to FREE SPEECH right here in America without being funded by foreign intelligence agencies or destroying property or killing anyone.

Lots and lots of AMERICANS got BEATINGS from the AMERICAN POLICE that came in FROM SEVERAL STATES and lots and lots of AMERICANS got arrested after being told by a COMPUTERIZED VOICE MOUNTED ON A RIOT VAN that theirs was an unlawful assembly.

Frankly I would rather AMERICANS straighten out the abuses in AMERICA instead of pretending that life is peachy here by insisting that its total HELL in IRAN and we should not worry about our OWN COUNTRY because their's is so much worse.

The reality is information is power, The truth sets you free.

If you don't know the truth you can't really make a good decision on what to do.

So all the people rushing to accept all this PROPAGANDA without ever questioning it are really just being MANIPULATED and by our own Government that does in fact terrorize people using free speech.



I guess you have to be an Iranian protester to get the respect of the American people and the concern of the American people?

And for the American Government to want you to be able to protest?

reply to post by SLAYER69

So unless it comes from the State approved Iranian Media I guess it's completely fact less?

And here we see the utter hypocricy in your arguments.

You want to see proof from the CIA of their involvement, no third party news reports, no speculation.

But any third party report that bolsters your emotional position is good enough for the dance?

If you don't have an Iranian Source for the Green Way Movement then by your own standards you can't accept it as true.

You want utter proof from the CIA regarding the CIA why wouldn't you want real proof from the Green Way Movement from the Green Way Movement?

I guess your standards kind of fall by the wayside when you are looking to make a point and go way up when you are trying to deny a point.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler



You would actually have to read the whole article referenced in the opening piece to understand that.

Now lets talk about free speech and what happened in the G-20 in Pittsburgh where Crowd Control Police who by the way just like Iran have POLICE printed on their identical black shirts even though Iranians speak Farsi and POLICE is a funny thing for them to have on their uniforms unless its a low budget Tel Aviv production...

See there you go again.

What suburb of Tehran is Pittsburgh in?

reply to post by SLAYER69


What country do you live in again and what nation do you care about more again?

The poster stated that these people are not free to protest like Americans are, I think it then becomes relevant to show how free Americans are in fact to protest.



[edit on 29/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You want to see proof from the CIA of their involvement, no third party news reports, no speculation.

But any third party report that bolsters your emotional position is good enough for the dance?

Here we go again.

With the "Emotional" response claim.

I'm starting to think that you're the one getting all emotional. You can't seem to handle the fact that not everything that's wrong in Iran is the result of the CIA, MI5 or Israel. That in fact there are many reasons why many Iranians want change. I have been willing to admit that in fact foreign agencies have had their hand in some of it. But you can't believe for one second that it has not been entirely orchestrated by the west.

Like executing people in the name of God for Espionage for starters.


[edit on 29-1-2010 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by SLAYER69


Oh so we here in America never kill anyone in the name of G-d? We don't put psalms on telescopic rifle scopes for our troops? George Bush didn't claim that G-d told him in the White House Rose Garden to attack Iraq. That Pentagon daily breifings didn't by executive order always contain one reference to scripture?

Our pledge of allegiance doesn't have G-d in it, our Money does not have in G-d we trust on it, and that we are never asked to swear on Bibles to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me G-d during trials that result in the death penalty?

Next you will tell me the condemned aren't visited by the clergy here in America right before sentence.

You continue to build a strong case for Regime Change in Texas Slayer as well as avoiding answering whether you care more about Americans and American liberity or Iranians and Iranian Liberties.

Edit to add: It is entirely being orchestrated by the west and in fact you are supporting it and encouraging and demanding it from the west.

Enough said!



[edit on 29/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Oh so we here in America never kill anyone in the name of G-d? We don't put psalms on telescopic rifle scopes for our troops? George Bush didn't claim that G-d told him in the White House Rose Garden to attack Iraq. That Pentagon daily breifings didn't by executive order always contain one reference to scripture?

Our pledge of allegiance doesn't have G-d in it, our Money does not have in G-d we trust on it, and that we are never asked to swear on Bibles to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me G-d during trials that result in the death penalty?

Nice emotional response.
However the article and this thread is not about the US of A. Nice defelction AGAIN.

Next you will tell me the condemned aren't visited by the clergy here in America right before sentence.

Only if they choose to have one present.
That is their choice.

You continue to build a strong case for Regime Change in Texas Slayer as well as avoiding answering whether you care more about Americans and American liberity or Iranians and Iranian Liberties.

Well again when Texas comes up for discussion then on that thread I will be more than happy to indulge you until then I'll continue to discuss the "Iranian Government Executing their citizens in the name of God for espionage"

Edit to add: It is entirely being orchestrated by the west and in fact you are supporting it and encouraging and demanding it from the west.

Enough said!

Now I know many here will get EMOTIONAL over certain topics. We should all stay calm and respectful for others opinions on controversial topics.



[edit on 29-1-2010 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by SLAYER69


So in other words you don't care about American freedoms or Americans.

Thanks got it.

You want two sets of standards for evidence in a debate, a very low threshhold for you, and a very high one for people that don't agree with you"

Thanks got it.

You actually are less interested in the facts in Iran than you are pushing the official agenda in Iran?

Thanks got it.

You don't like to have other posters attempt emotional manipulation in pushing their side but its perfectally acceptable in pushing your side?

Thanks got it.

What's good for the Slayer is not good for the Traveler?

Thanks got it.

So in short you admit that the CIA, MI6, and the MOSSAD are all involved but you don't have good enough sources to know how involved.

In short you do admit that Iranian protestors are responsible for the deaths of other Iranians and the destruction of property.

In short you do admit to knowing nothing about the men who were hung as far as their affiliations or agendas.

I think those of us paying attention have gotten your position.

The truth is there is no Revolution happening in Iran, no grass roots movement. Just a couple of manipulated political parties funded by the West who prey on dissafected and bored kids to get involved in the excitement and some of them end up dead.

Great work if you can get it!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
by the way just like Iran have POLICE printed on their identical black shirts even though Iranians speak Farsi and POLICE is a funny thing for them to have on their uniforms unless its a low budget Tel Aviv production...

Well I guess Tel Aviv is doing studio production for the Chinese and about half a dozen other countries around the world.

This is some of their work for the Chinese Government.

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Here we go this one is from Thailand.
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Here is a good one from Kenya Africa.
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So No. I don't find it hard to believe at all that Iran Uses the word "Police" on their riot uniforms.
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[edit on 29-1-2010 by SLAYER69]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

So in other words you don't care about American freedoms or Americans.

Thanks got it.

Assumptive, Irrelevant and off topic.
If this was a thread regarding that then we would be discussing that topic.

You want two sets of standards for evidence in a debate, a very low threshhold for you, and a very high one for people that don't agree with you"

Thanks got it.

Assumptive, Irrelevant and off topic as well.
No we were trying to discuss the Iranian Government Executing their own Citizens in the name of God for espionage. How many ways do you want to read it?

You actually are less interested in the facts in Iran than you are pushing the official agenda in Iran?

The official Agenda of Iran is that they have executed two of their citizens in the name of God for espionage. Not what Texas does. Not what went on in Pittsburgh or how many Tea Parties China supported. Not even what color my socks I'm wearing while I'm at home Sick.

You don't like to have other posters attempt emotional manipulation in pushing their side but its perfectally acceptable in pushing your side?

Why not?

We have had an ear full of you pushing yours.

What's good for the Slayer is not good for the Traveler?

Why are they going anywhere? Safe trip.

So in short you admit that the CIA, MI6, and the MOSSAD are all involved but you don't have good enough sources to know how involved.

Well if your sources are conspiracists I'll pass. I've already admitted that I agree they are involved. Do we need their W-2s to know how much?

In short you do admit that Iranian protestors are responsible for the deaths of other Iranians and the destruction of property.

Do you have a solid source making that claim? Or are we simply making assumptions AGAIN here. I don't know of any Iranians killed by Protesters.
I've read some Iranian news sources making that claim.

In short you do admit to knowing nothing about the men who were hung as far as their affiliations or agendas.

There is plenty available on the two men. It all depends on who you want to believe. The Iranians or Everybody else in the world.
Your Choice.

I think those of us paying attention have gotten your position.

Good Thank God.

The truth is there is no Revolution happening in Iran, no grass roots movement. Just a couple of manipulated political parties funded by the West who prey on dissafected and bored kids to get involved in the excitement and some of them end up dead.

Great work if you can get it!

Great Go with that one.
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[edit on 29-1-2010 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by SLAYER69


I told you.

No matter what other countries do wrong, it always reverts back to blaming the US and bringing up how the US does this and that and how the US is just as bad.

Maybe the day will come where I will personally be beaten down and arrested by our own police for being in a protest.

But at least I have a standing chance to be tried by a jury of my peers in addition to the opportunity of filing civil lawsuits against those same police who beat me down.

I doubt these Iranians guys got that chance.

Originally posted by jam321


Maybe the day will come where I will personally be beaten down and arrested by our own police for being in a protest.

But at least I have a standing chance to be tried by a jury of my peers in addition to the opportunity of filing civil lawsuits against those same police who beat me down.

I doubt these Iranians guys got that chance.

Better hope they don't charge you under terrorist act.

You'll get none of the above .

Go USA

reply to post by Sean48

Better hope they don't charge you under terrorist act.

Good point there.

Star.

reply to post by SLAYER69

Well I guess Tel Aviv is doing studio production for the Chinese and about half a dozen other countries around the world.

Wow you mean so maybe instead of worrying about the Iranian police you ought to be worried why the police THROUGHOUT THE WORLD are in fact actually all part of a fraternal organization that are controlled internationally and not locally.

So in fact you have just proved my theory that China is part of the New World Order and the Iranian Police are too!

Now let’s see what language does Police originate from? Oh that would be English!

So you should be mad at the English! Not the Iranians since clearly almost all police answer to the same international hierarchy and body as evidenced by their uniforms.

You really like being stuck in the little paradigm they make for you don’t you?

This is where you say there is no sinister conspiracy that police throughout the world have the same identification regardless of their native language by looking for a simple innocent explanation to dismiss it.

Clearly this is all New World Order manipulation and by swallowing the propaganda you are falling right into it.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Well I guess Tel Aviv is doing studio production for the Chinese and about half a dozen other countries around the world.
This is some of their work for the Chinese Government.

What do the Chinese have to do with Iran?

Oh, that's right, you can make accusations of deflection and then try deflect said deflection with another deflection.

Okay, got it. Rules have changed I suppose. You only want to talk about regime change in Iran.. I understand now.

So we can talk about intervening in Iran, and others can make quick remarks about bombing them all, and you have no problems with that. You would rather deflect deflections with a deflection. I understand now.

Stop being so transparent with your feign pleas to the human element of Iran, it just doesn't work, I'm sorry. Try harder some other time.

Your credibility would rise if you responded to the "Bomb Iran" folks that popped in every few posts. Why do you not say that's off-topic? You don't mind that, hrm? Your thread after all. If you'd rather perpetuate deflection and arguments, then so be it, at least call it as it is, don't feign sympathy for people you don't really care about.

[edit on 29-1-2010 by SyphonX]

The neo-cons and Bush himself, leading into the war on Iraq always "appealed to the human element" of Iraq to keep the war going.

Whenever people questioned the war, violence and suffering, you could always rely on people turning up and saying stuff like:

"What does that have to do with it? Don't you care about the people of Iraq? Why are you being anti-American when you should be worried for the people of Iraq?" .. etc.

It's almost like..

"Stop deflecting from the topic of the Iranian people. We only want to talk about Iran when it comes to intervention and how much better we are than them. If you accuse us of anything, then we will say you are anti-American and not sympathetic to Iranians."

Banging the war drums, one a time, pa rum pum-pum pum.

[edit on 29-1-2010 by SyphonX]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Well I guess Tel Aviv is doing studio production for the Chinese and about half a dozen other countries around the world.

Wow you mean so maybe instead of worrying about the Iranian police you ought to be worried why the police THROUGHOUT THE WORLD are in fact actually all part of a fraternal organization that are controlled internationally and not locally.

So in fact you have just proved my theory that China is part of the New World Order and the Iranian Police are too!

I was simply pointing out one of your false beliefs [Among Many] that the images of the Iranian Riot Police were faked as you put it by "Tal Aviv"

You really like being stuck in the little paradigm they make for you don’t you?

Oooo. I was just lying here waiting for somebody to bring this up. So now I'm a mindless automaton, just doing whatever I'm told or believe whatever is on the screen. Yup.

Listen Proto if I don't believe most of the Crap out in the world I'm not going to fall for Big Brother and his paid for on Credit bag of antiquated BS!

This is where you say there is no sinister conspiracy that police throughout the world have the same identification regardless of their native language by looking for a simple innocent explanation to dismiss it.

Probably not.

More like made in "China" whose main customers were the US and other English Speaking countries. They probably got a real cheap price on them due to the global recession.

Clearly this is all New World Order manipulation and by swallowing the propaganda you are falling right into it.

Here you go Proto.
I'm sorry it has some pretty pictures but also lots of Big words.
The Complete Idiot's Guide to the New World Order

[edit on 29-1-2010 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by Gun Totin Gerbil

Well , he confessed in court he was part of Operation Salman , a CIA / Mossad endeavour .

Most people would confess to anything if the prison guards raped your friend right in front of you, and threatened to do the same to you if you didn't admit you were CIA or MOSSAD.

These unfortunate people are more casualties of the regime, along with the tens of thousands they've murdered already. The regime thinks we can't see that these executions are the same as the killings on the streets, and their fellow Iranian's will also see it as the same.



[edit on 29-1-2010 by john124]

reply to post by SLAYER69


Actually it you my friend who too the bait and fell into the trap as I knew you would (since you love pictures so much) and would then display how the Police really are the Police everywhere.

Don’t kid yourself about Kevlar Riot Gear being made in China either or bargain basement prices. Or that Americans are so important that no matter where they go Police are identified as the Police so that Americans in need can spot them. There aren’t very many Americans in Tehran and they really aren’t looking to spot or be spotted by the police.

Thanks to MammaBeth and LadyStiki we have unearthed the Great Girl Scout Cookie Conspiracy and learned how it plays into the Iranian Situation. How much would you like to bet Chinese Girl Scout uniforms say Girl Scouts?

And we have also learned how the Police are actually an international organization whose oaths of office are interchangeable to any other jurisdiction which is why Police from 11 different States were brought into Pittsburgh to bash peaceful protestors, use Sonic Canons on them, Rubber Bullets, Pepper Spray, Bean Bag Projectiles and that good old standby the Baton.

Exactly like the Police identified as the Police in Iran do to protestors there. Unlike the United States were protesters disperse though, the Iranians who live under a less tyrannical regime will actually fight back.

Sadly when they do this the Police in Iran like everywhere you more and more lethal force and the Police in Iran like everywhere else arrest them! And like most other places when those protesters killed someone or are directly proven to be involved to be conspiring with foreign powers and actively trying to overthrow the government then they are typically tried and sentenced to die just like everywhere else.

Unlike Pittsburgh that sadly has no oil; the people of the world weren’t really made to care by how the media purported the Police Brutality.

However in Iran where there is lots of oil Police brutality is a bad thing! Actually what’s bad is the fact that while the Iranian Government are already part of the New World Order the people haven’t been suitably brainwashed into it.

Many of them still resent the west because of the Shah’s and the SAVAK’s and the CIA’s previous excesses there.

Unlike the meek and mild people of the west who don’t dare even mention the Police brutality in places like Pittsburgh the Iranians still love their freedoms and fight against Police.

So the regime being installed like all others by the CIA must now once again through brutality of their own make them long to be westernized again so we can get a chance to brutalize them some more!

It’s all very simple Slayer and you almost saw this kind of stuff back when you are an honest conspiracy theorist and authored your thread the Great Game. But since you hooked up with the Israeli Internet Defense Forces you have actually gone the opposite direction turning into a perfect media Parrot!

Just goes to show you that you can lead a horse to water but they won’t always drink.

I actually enjoyed your threads back when you were an independent and objective and open minded poster.

Lets take a walk down the memory lane to the New Great Game before Slayer got kidnapped by a UFO and replaced with a Zionist Duplicate!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe the real Slayer will get free one day and come back to ATS!