Iranian Election Protesters Executed

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Well as usual I shall play the devil’s advocate here.

Well as usual, You did a great job.

Tis my job, thankfully Mr. A is easier to defend than Roman Polanski!

Good passionate debate Slayer! Keep on keeping on.

When you read the english translation of Muhammad-Reza Ali-Zamanis confession, it reads like a James Bond novel.

Confession

According to his confession, he really did it all. He watched banned foreign TV on an illegal sat receiver. Then he was radicalized by watching a foreign TV channel, run by the british, the US, foreign terrorists and Mossad.

Then he dialed the Int acces code for the UK(On a phone network that is wiretapped in real time) and called the official number of an illegal foreign terrorist organisation to talk.

Then he called again, and was allowed to join said illegal foreign terrorist organization by phone, and was ordered to spread foreign anti-religious propaganda including 'the satanic verses' by his MI5, CIA, forreign terrorist organization, Mossad handler.

Then he illegally traveled to Iraq, went to the front desk of the building labelled 'Secret US intelligence agency' and asked to speak to someone, after which he was introduced to Frank.

Then Frank gave him money, a nice hotel room and a shiny new cell phone, and after contacting his MI5, CIA, forreign terrorist organization, Mossad handler, he was given information on an undercover asset in the US, and then ordered to do interviews and then some terrorist activity.

He was the debriefed by american intelligence and then introduced to Mossad who immediately gave him information on one of their asstes in northern Iraq.

He was then tasked with gathering intel and planning of terrorist activities.

That's pretty good. Whoever wrote his confession for him certainly didn't leave anything out.

Who knew that the CIA and the MI5 were that accommodating, and that terrorist groups were so easy to join, and shared names and information so easilly. Not even a secret handshake.

I am thoroughly disappointed. After reading every spynovel published, seeing every spyflick on the telly and playing spy vs. spy on the old C-64, all I had to do was call them...

Seriously though, we are asked to believe that this guy went from being a nobody to being a masterspy in 18 months. We are asked to believe that foreign intelligence services just roll over and name names. We are asked to believe that you just call up a terrorist organization and join... I don't buy it. This confession is just too damn good.

According to his lawyer, he was tortured into confessing, and was told that his family would suffer if he didn't. I'm sure that with the same motivation, my confession would have been equally 'Bond'esque

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These guys died for their own beliefs. Beliefs are so dangerous sometimes, you can actually die for them? I call it pure madness and a lack of intelligence. Humans need to evolve big time. Religious leaders are using over the top measures to insure continuity of power. Power is the greatest illusion on this planet.

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The 37- year-old Iranian national from the southwestern city of Eslamshahr is accused of contacting US intelligence agents in Iraq, cooperating with the "Anjoman-e Padeshahi-e Iran" (Iranian Empire Society), and attempting to overthrow the Islamic Republic by targeting religious beliefs.

The Anjman-e Padeshahi-e Iran is a Pahlavi organization funded by the former Shah’s son.

I then reported back to Fouladvand, who then referred me to a contact in the American city of Los Angeles, operating under the alias of Jamshid.

This is where most of the SAVAK retired too. The Shah's secret intelligence service.

As I suspected everything the CIA, MI6 and the MOSSAD is doing is being done on the behalf of the Pahlavi family.

This really is all about putting the Shah's son in power over there and destabilizing the regime and the opposition parties to the point he would make a viable interim governor that could be sold to the people.

By the way being an Iranian who spoke Farsi and had some position in the regime the CIA would fall all over themselves to recruit any such person.

Getting a job at Langley in CIA Headquarters and getting one where you get hung in a 3rd world country as an asset are two very different things friend.

Getting a job at Langley in CIA Headquarters and getting one where you get hung in a 3rd world country as an asset are two very different things friend.

Nevertheless, it sounds like a totally coerced confession. It's just too perfect. A guy turns from being a muslim and supporting and working within the system, to being a non muslim, working with MI5, Mossad, CIA and foreign terrorist organizations to topple the system.

I highly doubt the legitimacy of this mans arrest, let alone execution. However, points got made during this thread which must be adressed. Most important point to make:
Someone on this thread said that mere plotting is not seen as a terrible crime in the west. I think the poster who came up with the howler hasnt been paying attention. Plotters get arrested, detained and tried because if they do not, stuff gets blown up . Period. However in the west , all our intelligence and civil protection services do, is stop the majority , and then when we have all calmed down a bit, they let one slip , and christ does it freak us all out. For a few months we all toe the line, and wave our flags, and cheer our lads in combat. And then we remember how much bull it is, until of course we come into direct threat again maybe a few years down the line.
That reeks, and so does this bogus conviction. Mind you in Irans law, I doubt it is requisite for a defendant to have legal assistance in a case as severe as this.

Originally posted by aaa2500

Getting a job at Langley in CIA Headquarters and getting one where you get hung in a 3rd world country as an asset are two very different things friend.

Nevertheless, it sounds like a totally coerced confession. It's just too perfect. A guy turns from being a muslim and supporting and working within the system, to being a non muslim, working with MI5, Mossad, CIA and foreign terrorist organizations to topple the system.

Yeah so was the Rosenbergs confession when they were executed for selling Nuclear Secrets to the Soviet Union.

Espionage is a dirty business.

Try to use your head these two men were not selected at random and sentenced to death.

Neither were the Rosenbergs.

Now I am sure the Soviets thought that the Rosenbergs were heros of the people for selling them American Atomic Secrets, however the U.S. Government decided it was high treason and sentenced three people to death a husband and a wife and their accomplise and carried out those sentences.

A Press TV article translated from Farsi to English full of things that our own Administration would say TOP SECRET WAR ON TERROR and withhold all kinds of details is what it is.

If you don't want to get executed for treason don't take a chance on rebelling against your government. It's pretty simple.

A lot of us here on ATS who speak out against the Government in Washington for its excesses might find ourselves being executed one day in the not too distant future.

Obama has already stated that American citizens living abroad suspected of terrorist ties should be executed by the CIA without due process, a trial or their right to Habeus Corpus.

Where do you think that slippery slope is going to lead to? Making everything perfect in Alice in Wonderland.

Personally I think the citizens of the UK and the USA have enough to worry about with their own governments.

Let's not miss the forest for the trees in front. There will always be claims and counter claims of 'foreign' intervention in cases dealing with freedoms.

Look at mankind's history. Can 'foreign interferences' ever be discounted? Why did Persia attacked Greece? Why did Alexander campaigned against the East? Why did Rome annexed a forsaken island separated by a rough sea? Why did WW1 and WW2 happened? There will forever be all kinds of claims. My point is - it is NOT these that mattered.

What really mattered in Iran was that an election HAD BEEN RIGGED! Dare anyone else say it isnt? Even revered Ayatollahs had been accused of anarchy and treason, how more the ordinary Iranians themselves, sons of the soil when they saw their very FREEDOM was denied by a rigged and farcial election that was supposed to ursher in a new age of Muslim democracy, supported by the people and their religious leaders?

For that, a few of their own kind, own people - fellow iranians were executed, and on dubious charges.

The executions are not about 'foriegn interference'. It is about FREEDOM, or the lack of it, today in Iran. Freedom is universal, means the same in any language or in any peaceful religion.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Yeah so was the Rosenbergs confession when they were executed for selling Nuclear Secrets to the Soviet Union.

I am talking about this particular confession.

Espionage is a dirty business.

I am sure it is.

Try to use your head these two men were not selected at random and sentenced to death.

It easy to be derogatory and condescending when you are on the internet.

As for the subject at hand. I am sure that those two people were not randomly selected, but I am sure their confessions have been 'enhanced'.

Neither were the Rosenbergs.

Again with the Rosenbergs...

Now I am sure the Soviets thought that the Rosenbergs were heros of the people for selling them American Atomic Secrets, however the U.S. Government decided it was high treason and sentenced three people to death a husband and a wife and their accomplise and carried out those sentences.

I don't know who you are arguing against, but you might want to save yourself the trouble. I won't be arguing the Rosenbergs, where the shahs secret police settled or anything other than the subject at hand.

If you don't want to get executed for treason don't take a chance on rebelling against your government. It's pretty simple.

If the confession is obviously coerced, then I would have to doubt how much rebelling they actually did.

A lot of us here on ATS who speak out against the Government in Washington for its excesses might find ourselves being executed one day in the not too distant future.

Or you may wake up in reality one day and find out that things are not as bad as you thought.

Obama has already stated that American citizens living abroad suspected of terrorist ties should be executed by the CIA without due process, a trial or their right to Habeus Corpus.

Well that's just wrong.

Where do you think that slippery slope is going to lead to? Making everything perfect in Alice in Wonderland.

Well, if americans could focus for more than 5 minutes on something other than starving actresses and people making fools of themselves on TV, and then perhaps VOTED in the elections, then things might actually improve.

Personally I think the citizens of the UK and the USA have enough to worry about with their own governments.

So everybody should just leave Iran alone and let the regime hang, maime, kill and molest anyone, and not say a peep. I don't think so. Amnesty letterwriting campaigns have saved many lives and highlighted many regimes most horrible transgressions.


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So everybody should just leave Iran alone and let the regime hang, maime, kill and molest anyone, and not say a peep. I don't think so. Amnesty letterwriting campaigns have saved many lives and highlighted many regimes most horrible transgressions.

I read this and had the most profound thought. What do you believe the average German citizen during World War II was told about what their armies were doing abroad? What do you think they were told and shown?

I'm sure they were bombarded with acts of heroism by their own forces as they had to deal with brutish neanderthals who had no sense to govern themselves. The thought I had was that those that forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

I think it is a question worth asking or at least putting out there. Do we know the real story? Are there other situations in the world that should warrant more attention than what we seem to be fixated on right now? So why and what do we really know?

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Well put statements, It's extremely hard to stay on topic... especially when the person your debating does not. Great post I enjoyed reading it.

Originally posted by NoJoker13
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Well put statements, It's extremely hard to stay on topic... especially when the person your debating does not. Great post I enjoyed reading it.

It's very hard to debate someone with such a narrow and naive world view that they can't recognize how government and media manipulation always comes into play.

Likewise it's hard to take people seriously who would accept any domestic offence against their person and their rights and justify and defend it and then simply talk about percieved injustices in other countries as if that makes the former inconsequential.

Of course it doesn't it should in fact remind us to use what happens elsewhere in the world as a mirror onto our own world.

You nor I won't make a difference in Iran, but you and I could make a difference in our own country if people like you weren't always overlooking the bad and unconstitutional things that our government is doing every day by convincing yourself with the media's and the politician's help that you are lucky in comparrison to Iranians.

Even though throughout the thread you have displayed you have almost no idea what real life in Iran is like.

People who would trade their liberties and freedoms and dignity in the name of security will have neither and deserve neither.

How evernts that we are involved with throughout the world corelate to events here is always on topic.

Anyone who doesn't think so is one step away from being a dictator themselves.

Thanks!

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Thanks for being a child and replying to a post not addressed to you... keep up that deny/deflect/avoid stuff it's doing alot for ya!

Thanks!

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Also how bout you tell me... because of all of your experience in the matter, about life in Iran. I'm sure you've lived there and have had plenty of first hand experiences with the Iranians. Lets see that photographic proof to back up yet another rediculous claim of yours.

Thanks!

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Originally posted by NoJoker13
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Also how bout you tell me... because of all of your experience in the matter, about life in Iran. I'm sure you've lived there and have had plenty of first hand experiences with the Iranians. Lets see that photographic proof to back up yet another rediculous claim of yours.

Thanks!

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Actually I have been doing business with Iranians who live in the United States since 1980.

I know a lot of Iranians from all walks of life.

Do you?

By the way you can't have it both ways, you can't complain one minute that I am chastising you for not caring about America and being a dupe to organized Propaganda and then cry the next minute to have one of your lame questions answered!

The truth is you don't know anything about the real situation in Iran and you don't seem to care about the real situation in the United States either.

I would say all your posts have been trying to deflect from both of those things.

But that's just me, I think for myself with my mind, not simply what the mass media and the government tells me too.

Thanks.

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Of course ever ventured into a 7/11 in my town most are owned by Iranians. But regardless of "knowing" Iranian people, you have ziltch experience with actually being there. Deabte done, you have no first hand knowledge or experience of the place so stop acting like you do.

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Also way to write back to AAA, he brought up some really good points that made your deny/deflect/avoid persona stand right out in the open. Care to reply to that post as well, I need another laugh.

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well if they have to be hot or cold;

they are in an islamic republic; im sure they get the just of that, their governance is tied to their system of religion.any opposition to their governance is directly linked to their religion.

if they chose to be cold about it they died a good death; for who in a system that declares itself the religous institution kills a man for his acts on governance or in defiance of governance.in truth he was an enemy of the state who since it is viewed as an islamic republic condoned their acts as enemies of god.