Gays 'will never go to heaven'

reply to post by vonholland
I have several "gay" friends and they are kind, decent hard working honest and not pompous (like you).

One of my sons is also gay and I would put his kindness and goodness above your meaness any day.

My son did not decide to be "gay" he was born that way.

It is a matter of hormones.

and fyi: a soul has no color no gender.

Who are you to judge.

People need to learn to worry about their own self, making sure they are doing what they are suppose to be doing and not worry or judge others.

Tend to your own business and leave others to tend to their own.

As long as your rights are not being violated who are you to violate the rights of another in the area of whom to chose to love.

Live long and prosper.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by ofhumandescent]

Originally posted by blupblup

Thats an all time classic!

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Why anyone pays any attention at all to these pompous lying hypocrites is beyond me.

I'd like to see the pope and all of his cronies led away in handcuffs.

Click the link to see the true reason for the existence of the Roman Catholic Church.

www.youtube.com...

The notion that a person chooses their sexual orientation is absurd. The notion that God would punish a person for their sexual orientation is more absurd even still. Religious leaders love to polarize the masses. It takes cold hard cash to save the world from the gays. Lots of cash.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by Aircow]

Originally posted by TarzanBeta

Originally posted by Level X
If we all are created in Gods image, as the Catholic's and Christians preach, then God has already given his green light for gays in heaven...

So what's the prob? The proof is literally in the "Pudding."

[edit on 4-12-2009 by Level X]

Your logic is stupid.

Image = potential and likeness. Not choices having been made. Do we all make the same choices? No. Then by your logic, everyone here has their own personal god by whom no one else is guided. That is pagan and unchristian.

Therefore, your logic is stupid.

It is not pagan (learn about paganism), since pagans don't have a personal god. Pagans did, and still do, form in groups and give tribute or a god or a group of gods. No personal god here.

So if I have a personal god, who is not guiding anyone else but me, I am not pagan. I agree this is unchristian but that's the good thing about it. It's about personal resposibility and integrity. Requires thinking and judging every step instead of following a doctrine.

Having said that - your logic is stupid. God, if he exists, must have known that gay will be born on this world. If he knew and did nothing but bred a number of haters to "stop" gays, then he is even worse than I thought. Since I don't think an omnipotent thing that has all the time to evolve can be *that much evil* - God must must love them as much anyone else and given everyone a green light to heaven.

If "God" created everything, why did he bother to create gay people if he doesn't want them in his "heaven". Did he make a mistake? Not only does this "God" seem to be biased, with his "chosen people", but also tells us the people who aren't "good enough".

I hope this "God" rejects me too, just like I reject him.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Gays 'will never go to heaven'

www.heraldsun.com.au

HOMOSEXUALS and transsexuals "will never enter the kingdom of heaven", a leading Roman Catholic cardinal said overnight.

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan said that while the Church regarded homosexuality as an "insult to God", this did not justify discrimination against gay and transsexual people.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Gay is a new term and definition of the last 50 years or so. To be "gay" was just a not talked about subject. Really to be gay really should be defined as an action you take or a lifestyle you involve yourself in, and not of what or who you are. Just like you should not call someone an asshole. You can say "hey, your acting like an asshole" (because of someones negative actions towards you, themself, others, or his/her environment). People are not assholes, they are people. If someone acts as an asshole, then decides that being an asshole isnt good, and decides to give and be good to others. Can you honestly say, this person is an asshole. No, He/She has gone from acting an asshole to acting Good. However That same person decides in their mind, "I make many friends being an asshole" , and goes back to being an asshole. Is there any way you can call he/she good, even though in the past he/she was once good?

Now to the Subject at hand. A person who consents to gay activity is not trapped in a gay box until their death. They are very well free to leave this box at any given moment, all of course to honor and obey our creator who only wants to give blessings to us through our obedience not to man, but to the creator. So if you want to share in the holy spirit and heavens promise, I recommend taking to gay actions out of your life and becomming a new spirit with a new loving heart for God and his creations. (YES THAT MEANS YOU ME YOUR DOG AND EVERYTHING ELSE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN)

Anyone looking for spiritual guidance and discussion on any subject(religious, world history, conspiracy, prophecy, interpretation) ANYTHING. Or you have something you want to teach or explain or give me a piece of your mind. WE CAN DISCUSS THAT! pleaZe! feel free to MSG me.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by KilluminatisRex]

[edit on 4-12-2009 by KilluminatisRex]

Originally posted by tezzajw

These old dinosaurs, when will they ever wake up to the real world and realise how silly they are?

It's too bad that lots of people believe them, follow them, kill for them and worse.

I particularly find it amusing how it's all left up to 'god' to sort everything out. Man can't discriminate, as that's god's job. Yeah, right... That's a great way to avoid responsibility for his idiotic, homophobic comments.

www.heraldsun.com.au
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 2-12-2009 by tezzajw]

what are you proposing, bringing in hate laws for heaven, are you proposing this chap's God should be taken to court- get over it, this guy is entitled to believe whatever he wants about who enters heaven, he would also say that anyone who does not accept Christ as saviour would not enter the place- he also said he does not want them to be discriminated in the physical world, so unless you propose entering some sort of spiritual realm and sorting it out with this chap's God, then what's with the crying?

Originally posted by Kailassa
Maybe Jesus was gay and you'll find him there..

Well,he did go to Mount Herman.


Seriously ,I can't see what all the fuss is about - scientists have known for a very long time that homosexuality is common in animals (and we are animals - make no mistake about that).

"Giraffes have all-male orgies. So do bottlenose dolphins, killer whales, gray whales, and West Indian manatees. Japanese macaques, on the other hand, are ardent lesbians; the females enthusiastically mount each other. Bonobos, one of our closest primate relatives, are similar, except that their lesbian sexual encounters occur every two hours. Male bonobos engage in 'penis fencing,' which leads, surprisingly enough, to ejaculation. They also give each other genital massages."

www.popsci.com...

Gay penguins hatch rejected egg


Whilst not 'batting for the other side' myself, I don't know why some religious people get so worked up about it - I know several very kind and decent 'gay' folks and several very kind and decent 'religious' folks -who cares as long as they're kind and decent folks?


[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Originally posted by karl 12


Seriously ,I can't see what all the fuss is about - scientists have known for a very long time that homosexuality is common in animals (and we are animals - make no mistake about that).

this is a very odd "argument"- scientists also know that monkeys eat their own faeces though I do not believe anyone would use that to back up an argument that a human being is behaving normally by eatin his/her own faeces.

Make no mistake, we are not animals, no matter how much some like to pretend otherwise, like juvenile fools

In certain societies watching this debate is like a history lesson, instead of being a 100 years in the futur looking back on the moronic nature of humans we can do it now.
The fact that what another individual does, that does not affect anyother unwilling person, is some how an issue of the masses is unbelieably complexing to me.
Much like guys who pop their collars and frequent dance clubs i simply cannot understand the state of mind required to think like that.

[edit on 4-12-2009 by Hack28]

reply to post by tezzajw


Don't worry neither will them, they will be roting in the hell they have created with their narrow minded religious views.

Anybody that passes judgment in this earth will be judge with the same measurement they used on their fellow humans brothers and sisters.



[edit on 4-12-2009 by marg6043]

reply to post by marg6043

I agree with you, whats the point of having the book of life? The followers have already determined the fate of so many.

Originally posted by blueorder

Make no mistake, we are not animals..

What are we then?

Have you ever read any anthropology books?

This is a good one you could get for Christmas:

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I also think this is an appropriate statement:

Those afraid of the universe as it really is, those who pretend to nonexistent knowledge and envision a Cosmos centered on human beings will prefer the fleeting comforts of superstition. They avoid rather than confront the world. But those with the courage to explore the weave and structure of the Cosmos, even where it differs profoundly from their wishes and prejudices, will penetrate its deepest mysteries.

Carl Sagan

www.quoteland.com...

Originally posted by karl 12What are we then?

humans- if we are animals and animals are us, why are you not storming the modern day concentration camps called SLAUGHTERHOUSES where your brothers and sisters are being slaughtered by the millions every day




Also, if monkeys eat their own faeces does that mean we use that as rationale for humans eating their own faeces and treating that as normal- if a monkey eats another monkey does that mean humans can eat other humans- where does this madness end

[edit on 4-12-2009 by blueorder]

As a close friend once remarked "we all have a little gay in us."

I think that the hate preachers "doth protest too much."

Especially fter some of them have been found in a seedy hotel, paul cain being such a dude... Then last year we had the fairy gold dust and healings in lakeland florida which was transmitted all over the globe... The pastor "bringing the Holy Spirit" was Todd bentley who is a convicted child sex offender. And the leadership of the AOG placed hands on him... I gagged at that!!! A few months later bentley was found to be having numerous affairs and his wife living a life of hell!! Remember that the G-d channel and TBN was 24/7 there and used it as an excuse to raise funds...


Mannnnn..... Just like Micheal Gugliemucci in australia, who acted as if he had cancer, even appearing on stage with a oxygen mask... Then... Fair play.. he wasnt caught out but admitted his wrongs.. Makes a change.. Good guy.. Has balls at least!!

To me, if you are gay, then you are gay, G-d may not like it, but I wont judge you.. You judge yourself.. That is G-ds grace...

Its up to you to make peace with G-d, not the other way around...


What does you conscience say? Is it right or wrong?

Thats up to you, and is what defines your eternity. But if you can live with it? why should we care?xx

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by karl 12What are we then?

humans- if we are animals and animals are us, why are you not storming the modern day concentration camps called SLAUGHTERHOUSES where your brothers and sisters are being slaughtered by the millions every day
Have you ever read any anthropology books?

Also, if monkeys eat their own faeces does that mean we use that as rationale for humans eating their own faeces and treating that as normal- if a monkey eats another monkey does that mean humans can eat other humans- where does this madness end

First of all its Feces not FEAces, and your logic is retarted!!! When monkeys eat there feces as you are saying it is usually in Zoo's, a really normal and healthy envirmoent for these creatures (sarcasm) and you may be shocked to learn that humans eat there own feces too, the really really mentally messed up ones do but that has nothing to do with anything so i dont understand why you keep trying to use feces as a point??? Its such a weak argument. Monkey DO eat other monkey so do gorillas so does pretty much every species of animals INCLUDING humans. We use to canabalize eachother in some cultures they still do, mentally ill peopel have a tendency to cannabalize their victims, but again what does this have to do with anything?
You have no argument so you are clinging to certain animalistic traits that humans have sociably rooted out and you think its a case against what? Us being animals? He isnt even saying that we eveolved from monkey he is saying we are animals? That is a fact HUMANS ARE MAMMALS, you cant argue this and Mammals are animals therefore even the most basic of understanding comes to the conclusion that humans are animals.
If you think that its wrong your just an idiot who has absolutely no respect for facts that dont fit into your weird little head.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Gays 'will never go to heaven'

www.heraldsun.com.au

HOMOSEXUALS and transsexuals "will never enter the kingdom of heaven", a leading Roman Catholic cardinal said overnight.

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan said that while the Church regarded homosexuality as an "insult to God", this did not justify discrimination against gay and transsexual people.

(visit the link for the full news article)

I wonder if this applies to their pedophile priests that they spent decades hiding as well...

Yup, the Catholic church is such the high standard of what is moral and what is right and wrong...

I want to comment on this subject a little at a time. The thread New proof war on terror.. my ex girlfriend was a bisexual. They set up the game against me. You would think since I started my religious "GOD" journey and there money and group seems to win .. that there is no god to save me and all I can do is pray pray pray and it WIll do me no good... I don't hold all gays to what they did. I think it s a big universe and what do you do that saves life force energy?? Honesty integrity and honor if a gay saves animals say.. as you shall be to the least of mine.. and a straight kills them for fun and then hurts the gays.. The GOD of the animals would appreciate which one? I am not for homosexuality in front of kids or whatever but I think it is the same as racism in a way... After my travels my thoughts on that are ,,.. Its not the color of your skin that counts it is the color of your soul(can I copyright this?).... So if someone is EVIL to life and lies cheats destroys and kills they should be excluded from gods kingdom.. f you fight as a Angel for the innocents weather it be human or animal and always do whats right .. then God should love you.. WHAT DID YOU DO TO SAVE THE WORLD AND MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE TODAY??? So as far as I can tell my GAY ex won that with there money and friends in the USA Navy.. ... But is there a part of the GOD soul within you????? If even a little of the Good.. GOD.. ANGEL part of you awakens then May the light within YOU shine brighter than any hate in the world.. May GOD bless you... DOUG

Originally posted by blueorder


Make no mistake, we are not animals, no matter how much some like to pretend otherwise, like juvenile fools

Are you SERIOUS???


Uh.... we're Mammals my friend.
A class of vertebrate animal...


How can you not know this?

:shk:

Have you been living under a rock?



[edit on 4/12/09 by blupblup]

reply to post by karl 12


How, from an evolutionary standpoint, has the homosexual gene or trait survived the natural selection process? It seems to me that it would have been weeded out quite early on, considering that evolution is all about 'passing on' ones genetic information. Not saying that I buy evolution either, but taking it from that viewpoint I guess.

It's an honest question. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, since I really could care less what other dudes do with their junk, I guess I'm a little selfish that way.