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Originally posted by TrueTruth
Originally posted by skunknuts
Originally posted by TrueTruth
My favorite memory from my time on the ZM boards, was when we had a pedophile on the boards, and the mods wouldn't do anything about it. The guy was openly talking about his beliefs in the naturalness of having sex with children - on a board that had kids on it.
They hopped all over ME if I said a bad word about PJ ... but pedophiles? Perfectly welcome.
They're completely misguided fools.
In my experience, most social psychologists, apparently rather respected by the zeitgeist mvmnt, are some of the strongest advocates against child abuse, be it obvious, or more insidious....
So, are you saying my story never happened?
Or are you attempting to do a 'virtue by loose association' maneuver?
My point is this - all they care about, is their own egos. They wouldn't even lift a finger to keep a pedophile away from the kids on their own board. That speaks volumes about their character.
Granted, he never made a move on anyone on the board, but nevertheless - you can't just ignore that kind of thing.
[edit on 29-11-2009 by TrueTruth]
Originally posted by TrueTruth
reply to post by skunknuts
It's about people placing their trust in folks with questionable moral character.
It's about leaders who will come down on you like a ton of bricks if you criticise them, but have no interest in silencing a person who may be a real danger.
Originally posted by JohnJasper
Discussion Forums aside, the real strength of TZM is the inevitability of the current systems failure. Due to the undeniable advance in automation, the whole premise of "earning money to survive" is already out of reach for a percentage of the world's population and will get worse incrementally. Once you're out of the system, you will have no choice but to join an alternative lifestyle or cease to exist.
Anyone with a better answer than TZM and the Venus Project, please stand up and be counted!
Originally posted by JohnJasper
Discussion Forums aside, the real strength of TZM is the inevitability of the current systems failure. Due to the undeniable advance in automation, the whole premise of "earning money to survive" is already out of reach for a percentage of the world's population and will get worse exponentially. Once you're out of the system, you will have no choice but to join an alternative lifestyle or cease to exist.
Anyone with a better answer than TZM and the Venus Project, please stand up and be counted!
[edit on 29-11-2009 by JohnJasper]
Originally posted by TrueTruth
But, a simple first step would be a national movement to boycott the banks who are robbing us, and the corporations that are hurting us. Then we would need to bring the criminals to justice, and send them to prison.
Originally posted by JohnJasper
I'm inclined to agree with Peter Joseph on this one. He has stated in the past that trying to overthrow the ptb is a waste of time because they're too good at protecting themselves. Instead we prepare so that when the system fails, we have something to replace it with (and it will certainly fail if only for the dissaffected ones!) He also argues that it's not corrupt people who make the system bad. It's the system that corrupts the people. It explains very well why the super rich are never satisfied and always have to be grabbing for more wealth.
Originally posted by JohnJasper
Originally posted by TrueTruth
But, a simple first step would be a national movement to boycott the banks who are robbing us, and the corporations that are hurting us. Then we would need to bring the criminals to justice, and send them to prison.
I'm inclined to agree with Peter Joseph on this one. He has stated in the past that trying to overthrow the ptb is a waste of time because they're too good at protecting themselves. Instead we prepare so that when the system fails, we have something to replace it with (and it will certainly fail if only for the dissaffected ones!) He also argues that it's not corrupt people who make the system bad. It's the system that corrupts the people. It explains very well why the super rich are never satisfied and always have to be grabbing for more wealth.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
reply to post by Ismail
Why do you guys assume that those of us who reject the ZM proposal like things the way they are?
That's just plain old false. ie, a false dichotomy.
The system is fooked. No doubt about it. But that doesn't mean that any old idea that anyone comes up with is necessarily better.
Czarist Russia had lots of problems. Do you think Stalin's alternative was an improvement?
Originally posted by dalan.
Stalin was still working within the confines of a monetary system.
Originally posted by someguy420
what is so scary about robots doing the work for us? What is so scary about the computer system MANAGING RESOURCES? I don't see how you think it would be a global government, when everyone would actually have a say, it wouldn't be controlled by a small group of humans like the real NWO Global government.
The outcomes are reached by the entire world offering their input, then by allocating our resources, sure some people won't get exactly what they want.
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Certain things might be lost, such as many unnecessary jobs, and products, I just don't think it will be any freedom that's lost.
I also agree that the process is moving too slow to be affiliated with the NWO.