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Originally posted by Landru
I don't think you need that second cupcake Dave
I don't think you need to Take the kids to Disney World in Orlando this year Dave, but you can take them to EuroDisney in 2011
I am not going to allow the Chemo treatments Dave, that will cost $365,000 and only increase your life expectancy by 18 months.
This is why, ultimately whatever benefits it may have, this is a nonstarter for me. Especially the cupcake thing.
Originally posted by dalan.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
whats the problem in replacing humans with robots if we didnt need to work ... we could use our time to do creative things, whatever
aside from the fact it's impossible?
machines can't do my job, or my wife's job (me - acupuncture. her - behavioral therapist for autistic children)
the problem of differential reward for things like, advanced degrees, and actually doing something so others can do nothing, will not go away.
personally, if you decided to just be a sponge, i'd say you have no right to access any service by any person who actually does something useful
Acupuncture is one of those things that we wouldn't have to automate, its a close relationship between people. Do you not enjoy performing acupuncture? It is definitely not monotonous, nor laboring.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
Originally posted by dalan.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
whats the problem in replacing humans with robots if we didnt need to work ... we could use our time to do creative things, whatever
aside from the fact it's impossible?
machines can't do my job, or my wife's job (me - acupuncture. her - behavioral therapist for autistic children)
the problem of differential reward for things like, advanced degrees, and actually doing something so others can do nothing, will not go away.
personally, if you decided to just be a sponge, i'd say you have no right to access any service by any person who actually does something useful
Acupuncture is one of those things that we wouldn't have to automate, its a close relationship between people. Do you not enjoy performing acupuncture? It is definitely not monotonous, nor laboring.
My point is, that in JF's vision, people don't have to do anything constructive.
Originally posted by dalan.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
Originally posted by dalan.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
whats the problem in replacing humans with robots if we didnt need to work ... we could use our time to do creative things, whatever
aside from the fact it's impossible?
machines can't do my job, or my wife's job (me - acupuncture. her - behavioral therapist for autistic children)
the problem of differential reward for things like, advanced degrees, and actually doing something so others can do nothing, will not go away.
personally, if you decided to just be a sponge, i'd say you have no right to access any service by any person who actually does something useful
Acupuncture is one of those things that we wouldn't have to automate, its a close relationship between people. Do you not enjoy performing acupuncture? It is definitely not monotonous, nor laboring.
My point is, that in JF's vision, people don't have to do anything constructive.
Gaining the technical education necessary to have the abilities to problem solve is not constructive? Because that is the over-all point.
The whole point is freeing people from monotony so they can do more CONSTRUCTIVE activities that are enjoyable. I like working with computers, I enjoy it. You have to pay me to get me away from the computer.
I could write programs all day, I love it, and if I can use my abilities to help other people that is even better.
And far more constructive.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
Originally posted by dalan.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
Originally posted by dalan.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
whats the problem in replacing humans with robots if we didnt need to work ... we could use our time to do creative things, whatever
aside from the fact it's impossible?
machines can't do my job, or my wife's job (me - acupuncture. her - behavioral therapist for autistic children)
the problem of differential reward for things like, advanced degrees, and actually doing something so others can do nothing, will not go away.
personally, if you decided to just be a sponge, i'd say you have no right to access any service by any person who actually does something useful
Acupuncture is one of those things that we wouldn't have to automate, its a close relationship between people. Do you not enjoy performing acupuncture? It is definitely not monotonous, nor laboring.
My point is, that in JF's vision, people don't have to do anything constructive.
Gaining the technical education necessary to have the abilities to problem solve is not constructive? Because that is the over-all point.
The whole point is freeing people from monotony so they can do more CONSTRUCTIVE activities that are enjoyable. I like working with computers, I enjoy it. You have to pay me to get me away from the computer.
I could write programs all day, I love it, and if I can use my abilities to help other people that is even better.
And far more constructive.
You're definitely in the minority if you would do stuff. Then again, it's not all about doing what you feel like doing. That's just how life works. There will be jobs that need doing, and incentives will need to be offered to get people to do them.
I was a teacher. Most kids aren't going to bother learning a hole lot if they aren't made to. There are always exceptions, but they're exceptions.
I wasn't talking about you, btw..... just the inevitable crowd of millions who will be content to laze about and do nothing...
Ever heard about the Yellowstone grizzlies, and what happened to them when they started having easy access to food in the form of human trash? Google it... maybe you can find a video on it. Not having to do anything to get what they needed, nearly destroyed them.
Originally posted by dalan.
Ok, so Zeitgeist is propaganda, so what do we do? Apparently technology cannot be trusted so what do we do??
Getting enough people interested in the movement and the concept of transhumanism, we could have whole groups of designers, architects, programmers...etc getting together to build the city.
Originally posted by dalan.
The goal of the movement was to build an "experimental city."
Like say the nanotechnology, you are afraid that proponents want to imbue themselves with technology to make themselves "immortal." Or at least to improve upon human abilities giving them an edge over us.
But what if everyone had that edge? What could they do then?
Nothing that we ourselves could not also do.
what if developers, or anyone technically savvy, got together and decided to take over right now?
And how would the people NOT have access to the same technology as the elite? Transhumanism tries to get rid of the "elite" that only proliferate in monetary systems.
Our technology is not our enemy, we are our own enemies. You can use technology to help or harm.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
I'm talking about:
The data to support the theory of "scarcity" as being responsible for the human behaviors they claim it is. I've seen nothing in the literature of behaviorism to substantiate this belief.
[edit on 28-11-2009 by TrueTruth]
Originally posted by jbm1029
One also must keep in mind, however, that the number of people who have seen the second Zeitgeist film (remember that the first one is what most are familiar with) is so miniscule as to be nothing more than a blip on the ruling class's radar.
goal is to capture the minds of the masses -- in this regard, Glenn Beck and Keith Olbermann are much more effective tools than Peter Joseph and Jacques Fresco.
And Marxist propaganda? Just because The Venus Project advocates a resource-based, eco-friendly society? Come on.
Have the UN lies about global warming really caused that much mistrust.
We are running out of fresh air and water.
As I said, the Venus Project is undoubtedly flawed, but to completely dismiss any and all ideas promoted by an organization that actively researches more peaceful, sustainable solutions to human continuity on Earth is, in my opinion, feeding the propaganda machine even more.
Originally posted by Redge
On the other hand, the poor have mostly nothing. Their life is much more difficult because they lack money to meet their basic needs and to receive good education and health care. Many of those people are gonna do drugs to escape reality, do crimes or simply be part of street gangs because it brings them easy money.
Originally posted by TrueTruth
reply to post by dalan.
honestly? i think school as an institution needs to be completely reinvented, or abolished. it's crazy to me that we take kids from their families, stick them in cubes (the rooms) every day with 30 of their peers, and just bombard them with fact after fact that they have no context for understanding, and no motivation to really learn.
i like the idea of an education that somehow gets them out of the classroom, and into the world. sure, to learn certain things, you need to spend time with a book and a desk. but somehow we need to tie those lessons in to something in the real world they can relate to and get involved with. kids tend to get really motivated when they get to work side by side with somebody they know cares about them.
but you know what? the world doesn't care about kids. the corporate world, that is. they're a drag on efficiency. they get in the way. they require money, time, day care, leaves of absence.... the only people society has less time for is the elderly.
i want legal structures in place that protect the right of loved ones to spend time together, and punishments for businesses that try to take it away. it's a travesty we spend so little time with those we love on a given day.
and i wish we used more science - data - to determine instructional methodologies.
that's my basic take.
[edit on 29-11-2009 by TrueTruth]
1. Global Government.
3. AGI (‘Skynet’) Supercomuters controlling most aspects of politics and society, including rationing global resources to global citizens. If they actually thought this out they'd know that soon enough machines will need more resources than humans.
4. A Utopian Agenda that “Peter” claims isn’t Utopian, yet the ‘research institute’ even describes itself as being Utopian / Futurist. History proves that all forced utopias become dystopias
5. Selfish Transhumanist agenda.
Cashless (non-backed by Gold/etc) economic system. A ‘Resource Economy’ has been tried before… in the Soviet Union.
What I argue is that virtually all poverty and war is the result of the privately owned ferderal reserve. I appreciate ohow well Pete's film destruct the Fed.