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Originally posted by dalan.
If Jacque Fresco or anyone in the movement program their computers to force an RFID chip, H1N1 vaccine, or fluoridated water into me...then I will believe that it is NWO propaganda.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Can anyone answer for me the views of the heads of the ZM in regards to guns and private property? ...
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Let me ask again: How can it be transistioned in without tyranny?
[edit on 28-11-2009 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]
Originally posted by Jussi
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There can be 2 differences, in pushing for any agenda.
1. other does it without telling the truth about what the F*ck is going on
2. other does it so, that all aspects of what is going on is shared..
..now which does the NWO fall into, and which does the Zeitgeist movement fall into?
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Case closed.
Originally posted by dalan.
The goal of the movement was to build an "experimental city."
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I want to work towards the good of everyone, not a select few...
Originally posted by JosephMatthew
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You hear a phrase like "global community" (aka humanity) and immediately think it to be a bad thing, using nothing more than info-skimming, ignorance and "gut feeling". ...
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Seems like many of you are in a dark place; cannot see past the nightmare of today....
Originally posted by TrueTruth
whats the problem in replacing humans with robots if we didnt need to work ... we could use our time to do creative things, whatever
aside from the fact it's impossible?
machines can't do my job, or my wife's job (me - acupuncture. her - behavioral therapist for autistic children)
the problem of differential reward for things like, advanced degrees, and actually doing something so others can do nothing, will not go away.
personally, if you decided to just be a sponge, i'd say you have no right to access any service by any person who actually does something useful
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
...Abundance, we need insane amounts of ECONOMICALLY SMART power. So far the renewables (we know about) aren't good enough. ...
Originally posted by doctornamtab
It also seems like a lot of people are caught up on the transition. They believe that the only way to implement an alternative society is to force people to participate. JF does not condone this.
In fact, I believe he wants to create a society based on choice, not force.
If we think of jobs as contributions to society then only a fraction of jobs truly need to be done. When we automate the production of many of these jobs we free even more people to contribute to society, instead of just working.
The goal of JF is to have a society with a purpose: education and knowledge. Many people spend 40 hours a week serving only their masters and not each other.
This is the transition. Us discussing a new society is the transition. WE implement it, not some powerful douchebag in government.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Now your beyond human intelligence global computer network may begin rationing it all out. [edit on 1-12-2009 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]
In fact, I believe he wants to create a society based on choice, not force.
By its very nature, a centralized command & control system that dictates the usage and distribution of resources is the further possible thing from the idea of 'choice'.[edit on 1-12-2009 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]
Originally posted by dalan.
The computer is a future idea that you are not grasping.
Computers would not be rationing anything out to anyone. You make it sound very militaristic which it is not. The computers would simply be assessing current resources.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
reply to post by dalan.
Please describe to us how this system would work on a micro-level? Where are you going to get the robots / machine automation? Where are you going to get the resources? Imagine the limitations on resource availability within the confinements of 'city' limits.
"No, dalan, you can only have 2 wheelbarrows of compost today." "dalan, we need you to hurry up and finish weaving those baskets for the community."
I argue it could only 'work' on a macro level, perhaps only on a total global level. And PJ has you all waiting for the current system to collapse so you can rush in via the vacuum.
The computer is a future idea that you are not grasping.
But that is the core of the system. We already know all too well that humans aren't smart enough for the global management scheme outlined by VP. The Soviets tried it. And the global warming mess proves that we cant even predict weather or climate for squat. Managing GLOBAL resources would be no different.
Computers would not be rationing anything out to anyone. You make it sound very militaristic which it is not. The computers would simply be assessing current resources.
Then who does the rationing? Do you realize the complexity of understanding let alone deciding the needs of a million people, let alone billions?