Zeitgeist Movement = most hardcore NWO propaganda ever.

Originally posted by dalan.


Stalin was still working within the confines of a monetary system.

Oh, it had a LOT to do with money;

www.modernhistoryproject.org...

The Russian Revolution

In 1905, while Russia was engaged in the Russo-Japanese War, the Communists tried to get the farmers to revolt against the Czar, but they refused. [Many of the leaders, including Lenin and Trotsky were exiled --ed].

After this aborted attempt, the Czar deposited $400,000,000 in the Chase Bank, National City Bank, Guaranty Trust Bank, the Hanover Trust Bank, and Manufacturers Trust Bank, and $80,000,000 in the Rothschild Bank in Paris, because he knew who was behind the growing revolutionary movement, and hoped to end it.

The Rothschilds, through Milner, planned the Russian Revolution, and along with Schiff (who gave $20 million), Sir George Buchanan, the Warburgs, the Rockefellers, the partners of J.P. Morgan (who gave at least $1 million), Olaf Aschberg (of the Nye Bank of Stockholm, Sweden), the Rhine Westphalian Syndicate, a financier named Jovotovsky (whose daughter later married Leon Trotsky), William Boyce Thompson (a director of Chase National Bank who contributed $1 million), and Albert H. Wiggin (President of Chase National Bank), helped finance it.

The Rockefellers had given their financial support after the Czar refused to give them access to the Russian oil fields, which were already being pumped by the Royal Dutch Co. (owned by the Rothschilds and the Nobel brothers) and giving Standard Oil plenty of competition on the international market. Even though John D. Rockefeller possessed $15,000,000 in bonds from the Royal Dutch Co. and Shell, rather than purchase stock to get his foot in the door and indirectly profit, he helped to finance the Revolution so that he would be able to get Standard Oil firmly established in the country of Russia. As the Congress of Vienna (1814) had shown, the Illuminati had never been able to control the affairs of Russia, so they had to get rid of the Czar so he couldn't interfere with their plans.

Financed by Kuhn, Loeb and Co., Stalin implemented a new economic policy for rapid industrialization, known as the "First Five Year Plan." Even though the U.S. Government was sending over food, Stalin was using the food as a weapon to finish communizing the country. Those who refused to cooperate with the communist government were starved to death. Between 1932-33, it is estimated that between three and seven million people died as a result of Stalin's tactics.

Just as Lenin said: "Down with religion! Long live atheism!" Stalin said: "God must be out of Russia in five years." He eventually did away with the [Marxist] "withering away" [of the dictatorship] concept and developed a fanatical, rigid, and powerful police state. Stalin said that the goals of Communism were to create chaos throughout the world, institute a single world economic system, prod the advanced countries to consistently give aid to underdeveloped countries, and to divide the world into regional groups, which would be a transitional stage to a one-world government. The Communists [and their backers --ed] have not deviated from this blueprint.

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reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


I don't understand how you couldn't understand how a system that in practice is a centralized mechanism controlling the worlds distribution of resources is what we'd call a government.

true this fits the description of central government, but they feel that the only role of government is to distribute goods, to me this is completely opposite to the NWO central government controlling every aspect of everyone's life from birth to death. Ask any member of the CFR, or the trilateral commission, or anyone at the U.N. what they believe the role of government should be, I can tell you this, it's not simply just the distribution of goods.

ha and Honda already built the bartenders, I'm fine with getting drinks from an asimo.

It just seems impossible when you still have faith in money, I realized money is fake a long time ago, since then my life has changed dramatically for the better. I am aware that in today's society it's still necessary to survive. I'm just saying that when you stop putting your faith in money, and or the illusion that's all around us, these things become possible within your mind. Once they're possible in your mind they're possible in the world

Originally posted by someguy420
Everything you want will be provided for you, like I said some things simply won't be available, but I guarantee that you would have more than you do today.

Who is going to deliver it? You think the robots will be willing slaves? With all the robots needed to service 7 billion people there wont be any resource left, and the cnetrally controlled computer would be able to wipe ous out with them as its army.

People could trade if they wanted to.

Ok. Carry your drumset into the coffee shop.

IfI ordered a drumset last month and now I realize that I don't really need it, I'm sure I could find someone with something I want, that's willing to trade for it.

We already have that. It's called craigslist.

People would recognize that certain things are limited, and be conscious enough to not simply waste resources, so trade would be a good way to conserve. Instead of just throwing out my drumset I can use it to bypass ordering the desk I need by finding someone to trade with.

People will still have to work. Does the machine decide who gets the crappy job? Does it punish achievement by rewarding laziness?

No matter how you slice it it becaomes communism.

Originally posted by someguy420
true this fits the description of central government, but they feel that the only role of government is to distribute goods, to me this is completely opposite to the NWO central government controlling every aspect of everyone's life from birth to death.

The machine would hav eto make sure everyone isnt using too much.

I keep begging how any of this nonsense could be done without tyranny and noone will answer it directly, amongst many other questions equally damning.

I'm just saying that when you stop putting your faith in money, and or the illusion that's all around us, these things become possible within your mind. Once they're possible in your mind they're possible in the world

The money is fake. It is. It seems we should already have the utpoia? Is the fact that the money is already fake perhaps the best evidence ZM has that ZM can work? Sounds like we're being resold the same old crap, except on a global scale. It already is on a global scale, it just isnt centrally controlled in the purest form like you guys argue.

You guys argue for the purest form of communism possible.

reply to post by Clearskies


Yeah Zeitgeist is government propaganda for sure, I'm not falling for that crap.
The religious part was very inaccurate also.

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


It wouldn't allow tyranny by it's very nature. You do remember I said that it's not a few Humans running the show. You can provide your input and and shape the world as you wish. How does this have anything to do with communism?

reply to post by buds84


what's inaccurate about the part on religion?

reply to post by buds84


Some of the facts given about paganism in Christianity in zeitgeist are true.
I knew this a LONG time ago; www.biblebelievers.com...
But, to say G-d is at fault or become anti-Christian is WRONG and damnable.
That's the TRUTH.

reply to post by someguy420


Something tells me that ZM people aren't very well trained in concepts like logistics. And I wish we could get more detail in functionality. Tossing cutsie ideas about a dream world around doesnt mean it will actually function. I'm not even sure what you mean by "we can all shape the world how we all want". You make it sound like the world will be a gigantic video game and we all have a controller. In practice, we'd all be jacked into the thing and it'd be controlling us like non-player characters who all think we're actual characters, as I've been warning about the future of the NWO for years.

I've listed ways and examples of it being communism, please explain how some of these arent. There's lots of material for you to pick from in this thread.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Well what do you suggest? The Monetary system is obviously flawed. Our Governments are obviously flawed. We need to move in another direction. and you're just bashing ideas that people provide, if you don't like the ideas come up with some new ones

Originally posted by someguy420
reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

 

Well what do you suggest? The Monetary system is obviously flawed. Our Governments are obviously flawed. We need to move in another direction. and you're just bashing ideas that people provide, if you don't like the ideas come up with some new ones

That is what I said, but people do not want to work for something different. They want to sit oon the computer bashing everyone else. I do not care what anyone thinks, I am spending every ounce of energy to work with like-minded individuals in achieving a sustainable system for everyone.

reply to post by dalan.


C'mon now. I've laid out solutions for future scenarios.

For now we need to return to an un-corrupt system. You know what... I'm for what many would call a redistribution of wealth... But I'm not targeting millionaires or even my nemesis's The Google Boys, I'm targeting the international central bankers. Some people even argue there are trillionaires we dont even know exist, or at least cant prove.

Look at all the money that has been pillaged via inflation all these years in the US alone, and now they're leaching away from Europe, centralized-style, via the privately owned EU / Eurobank. Look at all the debt in the US 'official' national debt alone. Give back that money and eat you know what tyrants. As far as I'm concerned, that is all money ROBBED from US by the central bankers and corrupt politicians. In a certain way PJ is right, the corrupt system facilitates the runaway spending by the Congress, but where he is wrong is that's what it was designed to do. To just blame 'money' itself is absurdly over-simplistic. PJ should be ashamed of himself. All money does is represent value. (i.e. I value my drumset to your guitar AND amplifier, but I'll throw in a big juicy heirloom tomato I grew for that extra guitar pick.)

The US founders laid out a great system, but it has been corrupted to the extreme. Multi-national corporations sitting here in the US with MORE rights than actual human beings, while owing no alliegence to any nation, only profits. That is the problem, along with the Fed. PJ says the system makes people greedy. Fine, I wont disagree too much, as it was designed by greedy tyrants whom train us from childhood to worship their lifesytles.

If anyone is really interested in the best system (vastly easier to implement than ZM) take the time to watch the lengthy Constitution Class by 2004 Libertarian Party presidential candidate Mike Badnarik:

Google Video Link

It's 7 hours, 7 parts. But you dont NEED to 'watch' it, you can play it while you do other things, like the radio. I've played each part at least 4 times. And I've spoken to him on the phone personally. He's a good guy.

The only abundance we all need is energy, food and water. And an abaundance of energy will create an abundance of water. They can only stop us from the energy for so long, especially if we take back the system. ood also, as many global warming 'deniers' complain that food prices have almost doubled as so much crop land has been converted to biodiesel crops.

We don't need the ZM (dystopian) fantasy for a great and prosperous life.

I see ZM / PJ as a Michael Moore mockumentary 'journalist'. MM shows us in SiCKO how the US had the best health care system in the world, before Nixon, and then how via regulations it's been destroyed. Then MM offers total regulation (socialism) as the 'cure'. Amazing, that he could not know how badly he was engaging in black propaganda. As soon as I watched Addendum in full I shouted that it was Michael Moore esque propaganda, as he showed how the communistic central bank destroyed our once great system (arguably utopian in a realistic sense), and then PJ offers us total communism in the purest form as the cure.


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WOW I agree with almost all of that. The main things that people should take from the movies is that we can achieve this abundance, and in many different ways. If we produce conventional and alternative energy in all directions. Then achieve this abundance of clean air, food, and water that you mention.

Guess what We'd no longer be in the realm of scarcity, we would enter a world of abundance. At that point(to me at least) a resource based economy would not only work but would probably be superior.

scarcity and abundance=fear and love

I believe Elron tried this already.

reply to post by someguy420


If we achieve virtually inexhaustible cheaper than dirt energy (dirt aint cheap) and take back our system, why then go along and experiment with the purest form of communism perhaps ever proposed? Our system is proven to be the best, in times past, and if you look around the world many would argue it still is. The key is taking down the bankers and related control freaks / tyrannical and unethical multinationals, war profiteers, and so on.

And then the key is energy to get the rest going.

4th Generation Nuclear Power Plants:

en.wikipedia.org...

Nuclear is the best future, currently out in open. 4th Generation power plants promise to use 98% of the radioactive content of ore, compared to the TWO percent used by majority of plants in current operation. And if you're concerned about existing radioactive waste, these plants would begin by using that waste as fuel. It's estimated that current radioactive waste stockpiles could power the globe for several human generations, even with the US military 'wasting' depeleted uranium as everyday munitions. Furthermore, the heat generated by 4thGen. could at the same time power the hydrogen economy, to handle automobiles in the big pictue.

But the biggest problem facing development is environmentalists. 'Oh no, they said nuclear and we wont have anything like that no matter how safe, efficient or clean.' This is dark side of environmental extremism. And the war hawk policy makers dont want it either because it negates the need to enrich uranium, meaning no more nuclear bombs proliferation to cause tensions that might lead to profitable wars, meanwhile we wont have oil as an excuse to dominate the oil producing nations of the world. I'd guess the firms in the business of enriching uranium wouldn't want to be put out of business either.

Maybe if at least in the US 30+ trillion wasnt squandered to corruption, crony capitalism, the war machine, banker handouts, and so on there'd be the kind of cash to cover the earth with windmills and solar arrays... wait isnt this about not polluting the earth? 4th Gen nuke plants would be safe and have low impact on the earths surface. And maybe if we overthrow the elite we could free up all the economically smart renewable energy technologies that are being held hostage from the public.

[edit on 30-11-2009 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Guys, it is simple, it is those who create a consumable value versus those who consume it. Because of industrialization many things are being built by machines, meaning the people do not create added value, so there is no necessity to pay high salaries, because people are not needed, or their tasks are so primitive, that they simply do not qualify for great salaries. So the money actually gravitates to the owners of the machines. A skilled 40 bucks an hour employee is replaced by a Fanuc robot. What is left is a managerial mouthpiece and salesclerks who have no skills or added value to qualify for increased hourly payment. In the end the loop closes, the items that these robots create soon become inaffordable for general public, because their savings and salaries are not enough to buy cars, large lcds etc. While pricers of cars go up , medicaid, houses and so on, the hourly payment doesn`t fo rone reason- US economy is bleeding away skilled jobs with added value, thus creating a hole in middle class purchasing power. Do you really expect that a country of salesclerks will be able to have a market of millions of houses whose price is trippling every 3 years? here is the reality- a nation of unskilled workforce of 9 bucks an hour payment versus an average house price of 250 K. In order to receive added value items( houses, cars, consumer electronics) you need to create something of a counter-measurable value. unfortunately USA is doing everything to avoid creating items of a value. This creates a huge debt, to service that debt money is actually is taken away from the budget. And science starves. It is the education stupid, the applicable science that creates a value in economy, once applied through complex manufacturing processes. Dear America, what the hell, once and for all, stop wasting your lives on sports, foootball, religion, paper shuffling and stock market. Once and for all, you grown up adults, start creating things, export them and create positive trade balance. Your single problem America is, inability to create meaningful exports to counterbalance huge imports. How can one export something, if the brain is preoccupied with soccer, playstation and hannah Montana? Turn off your TVs, and start educating yourselves how to build things, demand that tangible education be affordable to people! demand, that top priority in your country should be added-value manufacturing industries, not entertainmet, sports or wars!

By the way there is an utopia that we have an abundance. If we create an abundance, the resources will be allocated to those who actually create addded value. Who will want to engineer a bridge if a salesclerk will enjoy the same abundance as the engineer who has sweated a degree in University? This is also an answer to racism. The money doesn`t gravitate either to white race , Europeans or Americans, it gravitates to nations or countries that create more added value. The more complex a task a country can tackle the bigger the added value. today finaces gravitate to China for the same reason, it is because they create things, stupid!!!
By the way to create an added value you need to have certain input, who will want to share their sweat with someone who is slacking? And what input can be expected from a country where every third man ( not the movie)is a rapper ,salesclerk or psychologist?Your DVD player didn`t grow on a tree, it was designed and built by skilled workforce, if you have no countermeasurable skills that can equal the due item in value, you have no rights to purchase one!!!! And if you expect that some mystical people will build your plasma screen while your job is to watch Superbowl or flip burgers in MCDonalds, don`t be angry in this forum spewing that your salary sucks. It is not your salary that sucks, it is your skills that suck, and the created value of your skills that suck! By the way why you refer to the politcians as some monsters who are greedy and sucking your blood, remember those are actually your fathers, and somebodys son and nephew, your neighbours and relatives. What has lead them to this empty shine in their eyes to suck more, more and more?Isn`t it the lack of proper education and love and strong family ties? Yes, daddies what can you tell about your sons, your junior Bernankes, Junior Bushes and Junior Obamas? Proud of them?????

Not one of you have mentioned that its not the Zeitgeist Movement.

The entire series of Zeitgeist was based on the research of Jordan Maxwell with the help of Manly Palmer Hall's thesis.

Peter Joesph has not started anything, he just made a documentary that was a success.

You guys are getting seriously paranoid, yes there is counterintelligence but you are all forgetting the bigger picture here.

Peter Joesph is just passing info on, its the people who decide to follow not the authors hopes.

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Nuclear Power?!?

Seriously?

Do you realizae how unstable neculear power is?

Compared to a combination of solar, wind, current, and wave power nuclear power is far to dangerous.

reply to post by dalan.


This is what I was talking about. Did you actually read what I said, did you read the wiki article?

For abundance, we need insane amounts of ECONOMICALLY SMART power. So far the renewables (we know about) aren't good enough.

Sure it would be good for most people to have their own solar panels, which is economically smart over the 25 year warranty of the panels, but $20,000 roughly is what it takes to get off the grid.

Hopefully soon one of these so-called solar breakthru's will become economically smart, but amidst the uncertainties we still need municipal and industrial scale power (especially if you think you're going to automate everything).

So you could counter that wave power could eb an answer, but imagine how many wave generators we'd need (also consider the maintainence).

Especially in terms of do-gooder don't pollute the earth leanings, wouldn't you consider the globe covered in solar panels and wind / wave turbines pollution? And how will you generate all that hydrogen? You need a nuke plant to pull it off.

Modern nuke plants are extremely reliable and safe. Gen4 goes even further while having minimal impact on the earths surface.

And we need Gen4 anyways to clean up all of the massive world 'reserves' of nuclear waste, and aging nuclear warheads.

To abjectly dismiss it because it involves the word 'nuclear' is irrational at best.

Dangerous? I suggest you do some research on how safe nuke plants being built today already are.