I smell here ... hmmmm ... the biggest conspiracy in human history.

reply to post by numb99


I would tend to agree with you.
However, in some cases, I think that questioning authority is a good thing.

Archaelogy is a prime example, in my opinion.
As I stated earlier, it is a speculative "science". Being so, it bases its entire premise on that which has been passed down from others.
Archaeologists are historians first.
If the history is wrong, at any point along the line, the entire field could be in need of reevaluation.

It is not a verifiable pursuit.

It needs questioning...always. It *NEEDS* to be kept on its toes. Unfortunately, archaeologists themselves don't think so. They really seem to enjoy attacking their "detractors" personally.
Watch ANY Zahi Hawass interview to see what I'm talking about.

For instance, I could tell Zahi Hawass that measurements at the Giza Plateu suggest that the entire thing was built with a single purpose and that spatial relationships of the pyramids to the sphinx suggest that the architect of the complex had an understanding of the Pi ratio.

His response would be that I'm a pyramidiot. And nothing more.
No commentary on the engineering. Just that I'm a moron.
He simply won't even acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that he could be wrong.

This is why he is not a scientist.

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reply to post by Monts


My thoughts as well.

Common knowledge by natives, and/or sanskrit, corroborate that during an era near India, Pakistan, detonated an A-bomb, Thousands years ago. A friend from India told me the history, a devout Hindu, also mentioned that the Karmic result resonates today.

Just remember; that we went from horse and buggy, to the moon, in less than 100 years!!

Excellent post! Thank you OP!

---what are "they" so afraid of?

3) Why Archeologists go into absolute silence when someone says anything about the Serbian 3-side piramid near Sarajevo - Bosnia built 10.000 bc built out of a better material than modern concrete (super concrete), or cities submerged into the sea on the coast of India, Pakistan, Cuba, Japan, south Anatolia(Turkey- ancestors of the Minoan culture) which flourished before the sea level rose after , you guess it, the end of the last ice age.

1) Can you supply a source that it is built from "super concrete?" What does that mean?

2) The submerged cities are being excavated as we speak right? Let see how they handle their finds.

4)Why is there absolute silence in the MSM about radioactive debris found in old antique by "fire" destroyed cities in Pakistan and India (near new delhi they were building a new residential area, when workers became sick. They learned there are ruins of an old city there, where human skeletons[thousands] werent in the middle of it but on the outskirts of it, facing not the center. Even now archelogists have a permision only for an half an hour to dig there out of health dangers). No crater found, therefor no meteorite impact.
+ Nuclear green "New Mexico-Nevada" like glass found there (+ same glass found on the Sinai penisula, Lybian desert, Mongolian Wastelands near the chinese borders ... "I don´t think i am right with Sinai thing, sorry.")
+ The nearest nuclear facility is hundrerds of miles away.

3) This is very interesting and I haven't read anything about this. I would like to know more. Anyone have a link?

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These archaeologists are nothing more than historians. If our history isn't accurate then everything they find will be backed by inaccuracies.

I firmly believe that there are parts of history that remain unknown to us and that scientists and historians are unreliable. Too call it a conspiracy is IMO going too far.

Remember nuclear weapons? It was disclosed to the public. When they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they could have told the world that it was a meteor of some sort. How come they didn't keep nuclear weapons a secret?

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Originally posted by Alethea
All of these archeologists belong to exclusive professional societies. These societies are another "tree" of secret societies. They are bound by oaths as well.

You cannot become a professional without joining the societies. They are heavily regulated. You even think of opening your mouth and you will never go on another dig!


Check out the logo....(serpent and grail)

www.royalarchaeolinst.org...

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What absolute codswallop!

There is no obligation to join fellowships, or societies whatsover!
I am a member of certain societies/think-tanks, and my arm was never twisted to join any of them. I was invited, but that's about it.

Please show me where you get your information from?

How bout this, I'll get back to y'all in a few years once I've gotten my Anthropology/Archaeology degree and tell you what I think

And in all honesty I would be afraid to try and answer the questions about some of those places since we hardly know anything about them (not talking about Giza of course).

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Originally posted by MoothyKnight
How bout this, I'll get back to y'all in a few years once I've gotten my Anthropology/Archaeology degree and tell you what I think

And in all honesty I would be afraid to try and answer the questions about some of those places since we hardly know anything about them (not talking about Giza of course).

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Kudos to you MoothyKnight for approaching the debate the way it should be - with an awareness of the value of informed opinion. You and a minority on here appreciate the value of doing the research and getting the facts before posting an opinion.

I wish more on the board would follow your example in being honest about their limits of knowledge on a subject.

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I don't see how you can say that once a person has aligned themselves with a side of an issue that they are being objective.

I mean, the terms of this debate were laid out in the very first page. The problem a lot of folks have with this issue is the fact that once a person has "educated themselves" in the study of archealogy, they think they have a monopoly on fact across the board in the subject.

You have praised someone for reinforcing that point.

Do you actually get paid for thinking?
Just curious. I really don't mean offense in that. It's just that I've always been curious abut the prospect of a "think tank."
Hell, I do an awful lot of it for free.

What I want to know is why everything is considered a temple.

Temple here, temple there, temple temple everywhere.

Why couldn't they have been museums? Why do all archeologist have this same view that all these ignorant superstitious probably cowering people that just crawled out of a cave came bearing their wealth to give to a statue of Zeus who was sitting on a stone with lightening bolts in hand ready to come to life....why don't they ever think that curious, intelligent, often culturally literate people came for vacations to the cities, or to teach their kids - to visit and learn and admire the best of the world's current artisans?

I went to a science museum a year or so ago - big statute of TELLUS inside. I didn't worship the dinosaurs and the massive gold display there was NOT an offering.

I tend to think the Egyptians were MORE capable than Zawaii gives them credit for, but I do think he understands their religion TOO WELL for a good Muslim. He's protecting them.

To make a long story short - any "Fact" that contradicts the "Theory" of evolution is suppressed and dismissed.



It's the same reason they freak out if anyone challenges how asinine the theory of evolution is. TPTB and the entrenched automatons that run the anthropology, geology, archeology, etc. sections of the museums can't stand the possibility of an alien influence or any hard evidence that doesn't fit their mold.



The thing you need to realize is that many of these so called sciences are actually more like religions. If you would have suggested to a medical scientist 100 years ago that bleeding somebody was ridicules the best minds in the field would have considered you a flat Earth psycho.

You should look up a book that was written by a scholar named Michael Cremo - Forbidden Archeology. Below are a few more leads...


Website: www.mcremo.com...

Wikipedia Info: en.wikipedia.org...

Radio Interviews and Video Series on youtube:

FORBIDDEN ARCHAEOLOGY - A radio interview with Jeff Rense 2001

HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE HUMAN RACE -A Coast to Coast interview 2007


The video series alone on (the) HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE HUMAN RACE should take up a couple of exciting hours and get you well on your way toward enlightenment, enjoy.





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Great post.

In m Opinion only, and this is because I too have an interest in this as well. I started my quest on this site:

paranormal.about.com...

What I found laughable was when I found out how Archeologists actually do their research.
Pretty much when they have find, and they find something that doesnt fit in with their current theory, it gets either hidden or pushed to one side, cause it either dont work for their theory or its a bit too hard and scary, and they would have to think outside the square.
They also are scared to release this information because we are so indoctrinated, that to chuck into the works that we are possibly hundreds of thansands of years older than first thought, that would cause quite a stir amongst general society.
Fascintaing to be honest, especially when you see what they have found...

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Originally posted by Monts

I remember reading an article somewhere that stated that if our civilization were to collapse, it would only take a few thousand years for almost ALL of the evidence of our civilization to vanish. There could have been thousands of ancient earth civilizations that existed! Take these pictures and explanations for an example (a part of a site from a link that was posted in a thread here a few days ago):

mmmgroup.altervista.org...

You already have the evidence right in front of you. Look up what has happened in Pripryat after the Chernobyl accident. Nature is already taking over and it has only been a short amount of time..

This is what makes me angry about Archeologists. It is the 'embargo' and active destruction of New Zealand's pre-maori history.

www.celticnz.co.nz...

This is nothing to do with rejection of theories and possible arifact function, but an ACTIVE supression and destruction of history! It is a crime against humanity. Blatant cover-up for the sake of not making waves.

I'm angry

Yeah, I believe there is a vast amount of information that is being withheld. I think a vast history is there to be told.

I mean really, look at the edited photos of Mars and the Moon. Image manipulation is there to see. Must be hiding something.

You mention aliens or life outside this planet and some authorities label you as a loon.

I mean, why is there such denial of things like UFO's when people are looking right at them? They know that they are seeing something besides swamp gas. All these people cann't be hallucinating or lying.

Why is it that artifacts that obviously aren't insects get labeled as such, when they more closely resemble airplanes? See if you don't get derailed here at ATS if you mention ancient airplanes, or ancient technology.

I think you are only seeing the tip of the iceberg with artifacts that don't seem to fit. I think UFO's are only the tip of the iceberg.

Think about it, why do you hide things from people? Obviously, you don't want them to find out. The question is why? Why is the information not readily and openly available? Actually, I think in some ancient texts you might find some of the answers.

It seems pretty obvious we are being lied to. It does seem kind of like the Matrix, where a lot of the reality you are being fed just isn't true.

"Is that a piece of machinery right there, you dug up?" "Um, no, you stupid ape, you just evolved from hunter gatherers, that's not possible. Now take this pill and go watch TV."

We hear of disclosure. How much disclosure? Will be priviledged to the entire truth? Or, some watered down truth mixed with lies? Or, mostly lies?

Try

Wow. No wonder they want to hide it. 8 foot tall skeletons with 6 fingers and 6 toes.

reply to post by JayinAR


He hasn't aligned himself with an issue at all. He basically indicated that he wanted to have time to be well-versed in the facts and methodology with which he can formulate an opinion.

Unless you're saying having a methodology with which to analyse data and formulate a conclusion, is one issue, with having no methodology, to be the other? Are you suggesting that wanting to gain a higher education and hone one's critical analytic skills is wrong? What should this guy have posted to get your approval?

If I thought you weren't being facetious about the think tank quip, I'd take the time to answer it seriously.

I've always regarded you as an intelligent and thoughtful thinker. I've never once asked you to present your academic credentials, before I accept your argument. However some people want to shoe-horn academics into a certain elitist-type category on ATS, and I find that both disappointing and alarming.


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reply to post by Durabys


Because they lie about everything. If your really interested in this, don't study archaeology, study Geology. My wife has a phd in geology. There are bones from human ancestors who existed millions of years ago, spanning more then three geologic ages. That fact alone disproves the humans are 100k years old nonsense. There are transitional life forms for every living creature, proving once and for all that everything evolved. You can literally track the creation of eyes from basic to human in fossils. This stuff isn't debatable. There are records of every time the magnetic field has shifted from north to south, and when the earth goes from warm to cool since its beginnings, disproving global warming as a man made phenomenon.

People need to go to college, get at least two bachelors degree's and see what information is really out there as far as direct, unquestionable truth. No one should be getting their "facts" from tv, magazines, and the internet, because those people want money and ratings for more money.

Oh yeah man! There is a very real conspiracy to prevent people from thinking about the really long time period we have spent on Earth. You are only supposed to think about 4000 years or so. Maybe only 4 years.

I've heard that Egypt has records of three Sun cycles through the Zodiac, about 75,000 years.

And the Aryan Hindus have records of millions of years.

Sorry for not reading the whole thread, I will soon, but I just wanted to say that I totally agree that the scientific field ignores alot of these matters.

Too much evidence, and careers built upon premises that neglects them, do not seem to go along well.

I recommend Josef P Pharell's work (spelling?) on this, I have all of his books, but haven't found the time to read more than half of them, but I think he is a very sound researcher, and he has got some good info on this matter.

Great thread! S+F

There are two possibilities:

1) you are correct and there is a huge, global conspiracy amongst nearly all scientists.

2) you are wrong.

What do you think is more likely?

Some of my colleagues are not only the most innovative minds I know, but so hungry for the next find that they spend months of their lives in remote places painstakingly digging up sites only to find nothing of any importance [in most cases]. Everyone I know in the field wants to be the first to rewrite the books, that's WHY they do what they do.

Imagine you were this person. How pissed off would you be when some moron posts a message like this, who hasn't spent a minute in the field, and knows next to nothing about the *huge* volumes of research you have tried to pick apart and crack open over the past twenty years.

I think there in lies your answer.

+ Nuclear green "New Mexico-Nevada" like glass found there (+ same glass found on the Sinai penisula, Lybian desert, Mongolian Wastelands near the chinese borders ... "I don´t think i am right with Sinai thing, sorry.")
+ The nearest nuclear facility is hundrerds of miles away.

Some time look up three types of tektites called Moldavites, Darwin Glass. and Libyan Desert Glass. they all look like nuclear glass (trinitite)

en.wikipedia.org...
Some geologists associate the glass not with impact melt ejecta, but with radiative melting from meteoric large aerial bursts. If that were the case, the glass would be analogous to trinitite, which is created from sand exposed to the thermal radiation of a nuclear explosion. The Libyan desert glass has been dated as having formed about 26 million years ago. It was knapped and used as a tool during the Pleistocene Era.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.aerolite.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Are these really impact glass or nuclear glass.
unlike the normal tektites these are only found in small areas of the world.
less then 100 miles around.

Regular tektites are found spread across 1000s of miles and in some cases across continents like Australia.

Here is a story by a a*****e i met in the mining business (to my misfortune)
He took a lot of the trinitite from new mexico test site and hid it so no one else could collect it.
www.mine-engineer.com...