I smell here ... hmmmm ... the biggest conspiracy in human history.

reply to post by einjager


Perhaps if you took the time to summarise the thread and explain how you think it relates to this one, I might take the time to read it.

On a recent documentary concerning primative man, one archiologist stated that if we were to take all the fossils ever discovered on hominids before Homo Sapiens, that they would roughly fill the back of a pickup truck. Think about that for a second.

Now think about how little physically remains of early American colonial life, let alone medieval, Roman, or even more ancient. The only items we usually find are those made of stone or metals, and often they are in poor shape. Its only when a city like Pompei or the Minoans in Crete get 'hermeticly' sealed up in lava ash do we really start to get a taste of cultural things. And isn't that what humans are really about?

So, when I watched another documentary with Dr. Hawass telling me that they have discovered cities where the people who worked on the Pyramids lived, and because they made bread, and buried their dead with descriptions of thier work, that it means there was no slavery in ancient Egypt, I just shake my head in pity. Even the head of Egyptian Antiquities can not overcome his own desires to shape a story more palatable to himself, and his fellow scholars. I understand that's his interpretation, and not necessarily quite right. Perhaps they weren't slaves like some may imagine - wearing chains with overseers whipping them for a mis-step, given only bread and water to subsist - but slaves they were. Remember that in ancient Rome and Athens, slaves moved freely about the city and engaged in personal activities depending on each paticular owners allowance. And in our own time, we may recall that the Soviet Union was full of people that lived in tyrrany, yet they had families, came and went to places on their own, and even got sham paychecks. Yet, in the final anaysis - slaves they were too. Yet, the next generation of Egyptologist will no doubt be taught that there were no slaves building the Pyramids. And this is a micro-cosmic example of how history gets distorted.

Anyone reading Fingerprints of the Gods, Chariots of the Gods, Forbidden History or many other books that present anomalous facts from archeology are well justified to ask 'Was there something before us?'. Its a fair question, and one that symbolizes the human spirit as we know it, more than anything else.

So to those, who have attacked the OP and others for being ignorant, I can only say 'chill out' and let the man talk. If he's wrong, Its no big deal is it? But if he's right, then who knows, maybe there really is a new world on the other side of that ocean Colombo.

Originally posted by Alethea
Now you are talking!

All of these archeologists belong to exclusive professional societies. These societies are another "tree" of secret societies. They are bound by oaths as well.

You cannot become a professional without joining the societies. They are heavily regulated. You even think of opening your mouth and you will never go on another dig!


Check out the logo....(serpent and grail)

www.royalarchaeolinst.org...

[edit on 20-11-2009 by Alethea]

Not true at all, my father was an archeologist and did digs all over the world.
He was not involved with anything like that, I know because before he died he
let me know many of his secrets that were hard for him to discuss... Not to mention that it was his students who ran the C14 lab, this would mean they would all have to be in on it too!

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by Alethea
Now you are talking!

All of these archeologists belong to exclusive professional societies. These societies are another "tree" of secret societies. They are bound by oaths as well.

You cannot become a professional without joining the societies. They are heavily regulated. You even think of opening your mouth and you will never go on another dig!


Check out the logo....(serpent and grail)

www.royalarchaeolinst.org...

[edit on 20-11-2009 by Alethea]

Not true at all, my father was an archeologist and did digs all over the world.
He was not involved with anything like that, I know because before he died he
let me know many of his secrets that were hard for him to discuss... Not to mention that it was his students who ran the C14 lab, this would mean they would all have to be in on it too!

Archeological secrets? Why?

A great book...not a novel, but a compilation of archeological anomalies, is Forbidden Archeology by Cremo and Thompson. This is a huge book of well over 800 pages which presents actual archeological anomalies found throughout the world. There is no conclusion presented, no theories or editorial opinions. The anomalies are presented in actual documents kept by the field archeologists with all the technical field information surrounding the anomaly as submitted to the University and/or society and the replies of disbelief and accusation as well as threats brought down upon the heads of the poor field archeologist because the anomaly threatened pre-conceived accepted paradigms. If it doesn't fit the theory, throw it out!

Cremo and Thompson were evidently attacked and discredited with accusations of Christian Fundamentalism even though they were both members of the Bhaktivedanta Institute which is dedicated to the advanced study of the nature and origin of life and the universe in light of ancient India's Vedic Literature (according the inside back paper cover).

It is a fascinating read and, if nothing else, it shows how hard it is to break out of a preconceived mainstream paradigm.

When I was in school, the theory of human habitation of the Americas was that man crossed the land bridge across the Bering Sea 11,000 years ago and migrated southward, eventually inhabiting South America. Gradually that has changed and they now theorize that there were advanced cultures in South America as long ago as 14,000 years and perhaps longer. And, that migration was by sea from Asia and Europe. This has taken fifty years of anomalies to become acceptable. As it was once said, New theories become acceptable only with the death of the old theorists.

reply to post by Hopup Dave


Thank you, I tried that on page 7 and nobody had the desire to learn. I made a seperate thread called The "Real" Greatest Conspiracy - and the only people who commented were attackers from the Church of Evolution.

These people are not ready for evidence that destroys both evolution and creationism - they live in a cult.

reply to post by Durabys


because if we all found out the truth we would all revert back to the ways of the ancients. Spiritually enlightened, non materialistic, all knowing, peaceful beings. Cyclical consumption would end, the reign of control would end, economy would die

Ancient civilizations that could build pyramids, the sphinx, nuclear weapons, etc with high technology would have left more than a few anomalies as evidence. Where are their roads, buildings, power lines, pipelines, ships, aircraft, etc. Even if all humans were to disappear, obvious evidence of our technology in the form of plastics, glass, radioactives, refined metals, stone/concrete, mine shafts, dams would persist for hundreds of thousands or millions of years-until continental drift melted the evidence. So, speculating that there was nuclear war in Pakistan over 10,000 years ago implies that the source of the nukes was not the indigenous humans....Perhaps the greys were having some sport?

Part tongue-in-cheek, part possibility...

Maybe TPTB have discovered that the Human race is extremely old and was created as an experiment by a race (or races) of aliens. However, they have also discovered that the experiment, with the goal of creating a pet, slave or equal race of creatures (us), failed and resulted in an intellectually and emotionally damaged creature unwilling and too paranoid to live in peace, so dumb that it needs to worship idols and so emotionally disjointed that it can't figure out something as simple as love. The aliens, being a caring race, decided that instead of destroying their failed experiment, allowed the creatures to exist and grow on an isolated planet where they couldn't effect the rest of the universe. However, the creatures have discovered nuclear power and space travel and have now become a concern.

Maybe, just maybe...we are the embarrassment of the universe and our creators and...they are trying to decide what to do with us.

Just a thought.

What is history except lies that are agreed upon?

not a one liner.

Originally posted by AnnieNakki
I too, have been wondering about what it is about pre-10000 that drives the archaeologists crazy. The water erosion of the Sphynx is the one that really provides the 'proof' in my mind. Geologists confirm it, Egyptologists deny it....vehemently. very strange.

I wonder if there wasn't at least one if not more very advanced civilizations before us. Think about it....until roughly 160 years ago or so mankind was in the stone age. Then, boom! We rapidly developed technology that can take us into space.

Who's to say that same thing didn't happen 20,000 years ago? Almost all evidence would be gone by now if it was destroyed in some cataclysm. Look at houses and buildings from as few as 50 years ago...if they aren't taken care of, they return to nature quickly. All our plastic would disintegrate over time...in 20,000 years there will be very little left to prove we were here. Maybe a few concrete structures but not much else....

I wonder if TPTB know the truth of earlier civs. and choose not to tell us for fear of panic....if we knew that we were going to be destroyed how likely would our society be of having the motivation to advance?

Curiouser and curiouser....

Annie

All of the Remaining Evidence of Ancient Advanced Civilizations are Concealed From Everyone Else by Corporate Plutocrats. Why They Do This?

First, star and flag for asking the right question.
So many people wondering if there was an ancient, technologically superior civilization, yet one is pausing to ask why, if there was, archeology is so determined to conceal that fact.
I do not have time to go into my reasons for this but I have followed other links that do lead to this being one small tiny part of the biggest conspiracy ever.
The distortion of scientific facts goes way beyond archeology. When it is all put together what is actually happening boggles the mind.
Write me directly if you would like to go into this further.

Screw this thread. The link that I tried to post on page two wouldn't go up. I was hoping that someone could actually look at the spot that I spoke of 350 miles WNW of the Canary Islands( if you don't know where that is-google it, in the Atlantic Ocean off the west coast of Africa). It looks like the remains of a massive city on the ocean floor. Apparently you all have your noses buried in books about archaeological oddities that seem to be everywhere...... Except museums! Oh, there's some secretive cabal that steal every single one of them so that the public can't look at them? Right. Ok, have fun in dreamworld.

archaeologists can't accept that theory is only .... - theory
based on some evidence

and conspiracy peopla can't accept that until we see real facts - real space alien turbo powered ships with nuclear centrals - their theory is only erm.. theory whithout any real evidence.

and for archeology guys - you are smart, and you have some evidence but please don't be so ignorant because i have an example - famous dinosaur scientist are also really smart but they change their theories every few years .... medicine too.... you know science is in progress, not in telling everyone is stupid who doesn't agree

i haven't seen that from most archaeologists

and when you can't explain something , you can't also disprove someones else theories.


personally i'm not buying official history because they don't know crap, they are just asumming.

The post here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

has 2 ebooks that will answer a lot of questions about this. Im halfway through hidden history of humans, but im sure these 2 books do not talk about the nuclear aspect, which I have heard about before!

Originally posted by ukmadmax

Thanks Annie, you have said what I have always thought. If some disaster,
like a physical polar shift hit us, what would be left for anyone in 20000 years time to find?

Mines, quarries and an awful lot of plastic - some of it will still be around in millions of years time.

I'd recommend The World Without Us by Alan Weisman. You'll think very differently about plastic after that, believe me! The Earth After Us - What Legacy Will Humans Leave in the Rocks by Jan Zalasiewicz covers similar ground though IMO is not such as easy read. The later part of Evolution by Stephen Baxter (a very science based sci-fi novel) also mentions the remians of human existance millions of years in the future, as well as the intreguing possiblity that some dinosaurs survived in Antarctica long after the KT extinction)

(as an aside, I do sometime non seriously wonder where oil is simply the remains of plastics and other rubbish dumped in massive landfills by dinosapiens 70 million years ago )

[edit on 22-11-2009 by Essan]

reply to post by Monts


yes i agree and if you watch the show on the history channel called Life After People. they say that everything would be gone within 10k years including all the skyscrapers and cars plastics books concrete structures pretty much everything. so the point is theyre more then likely was many many more civilizations before us..

Originally posted by Maxmars
There are indications that the history of mankind as a community did not begin with Sumeria;

That's entirely subjective on how you mean "history of mankind as a community." Sumeria certainly wasn't the first time people formed a "civilization." However to go by hte evidence we have, it was the earliest clearly-defined "nation" - and since archaeology only really took off during Europe's nationalism period, that tends to color things even today.

there are anomalies in our archeological records that seem to raise the hackles of professionals in the field.

Science is an inherently conservative profession. Everything requires buckets of proof to be acceptable. Hackles get raised for two reasons.

One, the most common - the claim is a fraud being presented as fact. Nobody likes being lied to, and in science, as in politics, a lie from a member of the community stains the reputation of the whole group.

Two... Like I said, science is conservative, and scientists are people. If you've spent thirty years of your life on a concept, and yesterday someone else comes up with an idea that makes that concept worthless... you're not going to be happy. You can't blame people for this, it's a natural reaction. Imagine you're the guy who spent his life making vinyl records and along comes some young turk with this thing called a "compact disk." However, just as the recordmaker will listen to the CD and find out that yes, the sound quality and information storage ability is far better, so to will a credible scientist bend to fact - he may not be happy about it, but he'll bend.

Of course, the burden of proof always lies with the claimant.

Some of them even make sense if you presume that the experts are not the all-knowing keepers of ancient knowledge as popular media labels them.

Why are you listening to popular media when it comes to a subject they clearly know nothing about? Honestly, to go by popular media, all scientists are 30-something polymaths and are all hollywood hot.

Personally, I am interested in the debate, and how knowledge evolves from observation to fact in the collective scientific mind.

[edit on 20-11-2009 by Maxmars]

Just because there is a difference of opinion doesn't mean there's a debate. To debate, you need two or more sides presenting their facts. If one side has no facts, then it's not a debate.

Our society has transitioned from relying on religion to relying on science....problem is, many of the scientists are just as corrupt as the old clergy.

We're back to square one. We can't rely on these people to tell the truth. It's still all about the money and status.

Hoopup Dave, Also note that examination of the structures left by those civilizations running the length of the Americas show that the Oldest of them are the Southernmost.

Quoting J Kalin:” Ancient civilizations that could build pyramids, the sphinx, nuclear weapons, etc with high technology would have left more than a few anomalies as evidence. Where are their roads, buildings, power lines, pipelines, ships, aircraft, etc. Even if all humans were to disappear, obvious evidence of our technology in the form of plastics, glass, radioactives, refined metals, stone/concrete, mine shafts, dams would persist for hundreds of thousands or millions of years-until continental drift melted the evidence. So, speculating that there was nuclear war in Pakistan over 10,000 years ago implies that the source of the nukes was not the indigenous humans....Perhaps the greys were having some sport?"

****You are making a lot of assumptions about how those people must have lived.
The Artifacts and ruins of Megalithic Structures are not enough for you? You gotta see plastic!

Essan, you want to see Plastic too. What if they did make plastic, but it was Bio degradeable? And then you want to see Mines. Well there are plenty of caverns in the Earth…in fact it is Honeycombed with them. Does that count? How would you know if it was a mine or not? Fact is there are very ancient Gold Mines in Africa. And you want to see Quarries….I think that if you look you will find them. What exactly do you expect them to look like? What if they look different from what you think they should look like? Waht if there was an Earthly upheaval and they were broken and filled?

A poster on one of the previous pages pointed out that we can scarcely find evidence for civilizations that existed only 2000 years ago. And you want mountains of evidence for those existing 25,000 years ago.

Here is another example of Professional that will not speak out.
I am MSG sensitive. On one visit to my DR. I mentioned that when I was having an MSG reaction that I heard Buzzing in my head. He said, “Yes, MSG will do that!”. I then asked why the Doctors did not speak out about the dangers of this stuff. His reply was,

”Because we would get criticized.”