Alien Abduction: An astral phenomenon?

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Thanks for sharing and being so openly about it.

Its easy to share because its really far away, like another life. It ended at age 6. If I hadnt seen that book years later and frozen in shock seeing the image of a Gray, I may have dismissed it as "nightmares I had as a child".

Originally posted by Tamale_214
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Well DrainMaster, that was an interesting comment, care to enlighten the rest of us a tiny bit?

That depends on how skeptical minded you are or how open minded you are. Do you see me as a deviant or just a normal kind of guy?

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But if you really want to know. Simply, if we are being "visited" by aliens and we do not hold the capacity to insure our own sovereignty why is it out of the possibility our planet might very well already be in the possession of an extraterrestrial race?

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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Now Im still willing to believe that these are ET-dudes if someone will show me abduction-experiences that took place in broad daylight with no altered-state involved.

First this interesting read.

The Two Sides of the Alien Abduction Phenomena

Case by Case Basis...
Alien abduction claims must be examined on a case by case basis. No blanket theory or solution can apply to all cases. There are a number of abduction accounts made by sane, well respected members of society.

Many of these are accomplished while the individual is not in bed, but wide awake, and sometimes in broad daylight.

A number of abductees do not require regressive hypnosis to recall their experience. Shortly after an abduction, the individual may be confused by fragmented memories, or tormented by nightmares, but in time they will gain total recall of their abduction. Realizing what has happened to them, they often seek counseling to answer haunting questions of why they were selected for this bizarre extraterrestrial visit.

www.ufocasebook.com...

This is a handful of well known cases, not explicit daylight cases but also not during a sleeping phase.

The infamous Brooklyn Bridge case.

For those of you who think that this subject is purely a psychological one, or an aberration of our brain’s unfathomable functionality, we would ask you to think again. Several abduction cases have been witnessed by independent third parties, for example, the infamous Brooklyn Bridge case with its multifaceted development.

Budd Hopkins started off almost routinely investigating the claims of one Linda Cortile that she was abducted from her apartment by aliens of the ‘grey’ variety.

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Apparently, the creatures had somehow floated Cortile through the window of her 12th-floor apartment, despite it being locked and covered with a metal child-guard fence. The aliens then levitated the helpless Cortile up into the belly of the waiting craft, where they began examining her back and her right nostril. She was then questioned about her family before being allowed to leave the examining table. She headed for the door of the craft and suddenly found herself back in bed at home.

Anyhow, apart from this detail, this case was no different from many that Budd had investigated, a consistency that had led to his conclusion that there was a disturbing underlying reality to the phenomenon. It was what was later to emerge that made this case stand out.

Budd started to receive letters from two men who claimed to have witnessed the abduction. Their accounts of the event tallied with that of Linda. They claimed to be bodyguards escorting a senior UN statesman through Manhattan when the three of them were confronted with the site of a woman and several entities floating in mid-air up to a UFO.
To add to Budd’s burgeoning file on the case, further witnesses came forward. They described the same incredible scene that they, too, had witnessed from the Brooklyn Bridge that night.

So, Budd left the man’s identity undisclosed in the book, although dropping enough clues for others to establish who he was. The hypothesis was aired that the whole incident was for the former Secretary General’s benefit, to perhaps raise the exposure of the Greys’ presence on Earth within the corridors of power.

www.ufos-aliens.co.uk...

The Betty and Barney Hill Abduction, Part 1

The story of Betty and Barney Hill begins in September 1961, in the state of New Hampshire. Barney had recently developed an ulcer, and he and his wife Betty decided to take a short vacation to Canada. The couple had visited Niagara Falls, and Montreal, and on the 19th of the month, they began their journey back home to Portsmouth. The night was clear, with a crescent moon shining on the heavily wooded landscape that surrounded US Route 3 in the central part of New Hampshire.

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At about a quarter past 10:00 P.M., three miles south of the city of Lancaster, Barney noticed what appeared to be a bright star, or planet. which seemed to move erratically. Barney pointed this out to Betty, and they both began to keep track of the object.

www.ufocasebook.com...

The Betty Andreasson Alien Abduction

In the city of South Ashburnham, Massachusetts on the night of January 25, 1967, one of the most celebrated cases of UFO abduction began. Betty Andreasson was working in her kitchen while her seven children, mother, and father were in the living room.

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Shortly after 6:30, the lights in the house briefly blinked. Immediately thereafter, a reddish light began to beam through the kitchen window. The sudden darkness in the house set the kids nerves on edge, and Betty ran to comfort them. Her father ran into the kitchen to peer out the window, and find the source of the unusual light.

www.ufocasebook.com...

The 1967 Abduction of Patrolman Herb Schirmer

In Ashland, Nebraska, on December 3, 1967, Herbert Schirmer, a 22 years young patrolman, was making his usual rounds. He had checked the Ashland Sales Barn, and several gas stations along Highway 6 when he noticed what he thought were red lights on top of a large truck. He had just passed through the intersection of Highways 6 and 63 at about 2:00 AM.

He drove the short distance down 63 and stopped with his headlights shining on the object. According to Schirmer, the object was definitely not a truck. The red lights that he had seen were blinking through the oval portholes of a metallic, oval-shaped object that was hovering at a height of about eight feet above the road's surface.

www.ufocasebook.com...

Travis Walton Abduction, Part 1

This baffling UFO case began on November 5th, 1975, in northeastern Arizona's Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest. A logging crew of 7 men were working on a government contract, clearing forest. The men loaded into a single pickup truck leaving work for the day. As they started their journey home, they saw, not far from the road, a "luminous object, shaped like a flattened disc."

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All of the men agreed that Travis Walton, captivated by the sight, left the truck to get a closer look. While gazing up in awe at the object, suddenly a brilliant bluish light struck him and threw him to the ground some distance away. This event caused the other crew members to flee the scene in fear for their lives. After arguing among themselves, they decided to go back and see if they could help Travis. Returning to the scene, they found no trace of the craft, or Travis.

www.ufocasebook.com...

For more cases.

www.ufocasebook.com...

Originally posted by Skyfloating
And im still willing to believe that these beings may be benevolent, although that is not really the "vibe" one gets from them (it remains to be seen whether they are friend or foe).

My take on the abduction phenomenon in a nutshell.


The whole abduction phenomenon is extremely complex, it’s a fact that they occur but it’s nearly impossible to oversee and understand its true purpose for why they happen.

There are different opinions about that, but it could be that the reality is that it is a sum of some of them.

For what I know, are some different grey type beings involved with far out most abduction cases, and the rest is confronted with other type of beings.
There are cases where is spoken of a mix of some different types.
I am convinced that there are malevolent and benevolent beings out there, that they are physical but also can be bioengineered robot like special created creatures for space travel and executing certain duties where under abductions.

I can go even much further then this but I think this is enough so far.


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Interesting thread .
I never had any abduction experience. I do have a lot of psychical experience with objects.

To think of being abducted and you can do nothing about it , could be very scary, if not it would freak me out!.

Although I do believe this happens to people frequently and can imagine that this abduction is for scientific porpoise.thats to say In alien terms I mean.Or HAARP? but thats another theory .

The only problem with my theory is that Ive also seen UFOs in my lifetime. Flying silver discs. And I'm pretty sure those were not astral but physical because I saw them in glaring, wide-awake daylight

Maybe these saucers are some kind of tool ship to keep them in this astral state ?

Once at a friends apartment, a couple of friends and I had decided to try salvia. I was nervous after watching my friend lose all motor functions and roll around like a baby. After about 5 minutes, when he became coherent again, I decided I would give it a go. Never expected what happened next.

I started to feel my clothes being pulled behind me, and my skin felt as if it was in motion all over my body, similar to moving water. Three of us had tried it that night, and the oddest thing was when we compared visualizations; they were eerily close in detail. Two things stuck with me most, this had taken place about a year and a half ago; two of us had seen a vehicle with about a dozen faceless grey "beings" (reminds me of the painting the scream, looked kinda like that). they were very hazy, a little hard to remember the vehicle they were in, close to the Oscar Meyer weinermobile, but all three of us felt a very strong presence of a female. I remember my buddy jumping off the couch yelling about not wanting to go with her. They looked remarkably similar to what I think greys would look like, never thought of it as anything more than a hallucination. Made me wonder if most grey sightings are brought on by hallucinations in some form or another.



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I dont believe its an astral phenomenon, to me the astral with its many dimensions, higher and lower is the after life. Whereas the mulitiverse is the corporal life. In any case, with night time encounters, some I've been prepared for several hours ahead of time by contact, but only partly recalled, how would one know if its being yanked in your astral body to the higher dimension for a meeting or not? I imagine they can do this.

But, seeing crafts. Sharing sitings of them. These are physical. Even the one that was higher dimensional a council craft, light craft, lowered its vibrations, and raised mine enough to materialize for me. Becuase I would never have accepted the contact as real. And they wanted to make that clear.

But in the end, on the grey program side of things, siting of a grey, missing time for my family members while up, bruises, gouges, bleeding nose, burn marks, other wounds, things connected with cycles, huge brusise on thighs and arms, etc etc. Needle marks on kids same location.

On the nordic side of things, none of this except: I saw a device on my friends head and my sons head and both had corresponding wounds on their heads. This device connects neurologically to what I call toggle spots, natural psi spots, ie. near ears, along sides of head, crown of head, a few more sposts on the right hemipshere than left, and back near neck.

To me, this is not just astral bodies. Somehow they are able to manipulate these things as they wish, for their convenience, but they are very real. I have also had surgeory done in my bedroom to remove an implant. While I couldnt see them, I felt it including a flow of liquid that went into my ear and down my face. I touched and not see red. But knew full well what it was, for they change your perception and somehow clean you up.

One of my friends, a walk in, demanded that I get them to identify, as I insisted on a break and ran downstairs, drank something and wrote to him on skype. He said that normal protocol from the federation and all positive people would be to identify. They did. I was shocked. I knew already who was there, for though they werent visible, I was given postcards and psi contact. They were my normal team, two I knew the names of. The third I had seen often, but had no idea his name, he was the surgeon. He identified. Up until then I was quite passive, and then I started thinking I could speak up for that is what my friend insisted on. He knew who they were with the names and descriptions.

This brings me to the point, when something stealthes around you, like zetans often do, those monitoring do, nordics do, yet they physically touch you, and you feel it, and the whole thing, are they not really there. Or are they using technology to phase out so to speak. so many questions could be asked.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by c-modamus
actually ufo's have been seen by civilization for centuries now. historians know this to be true as ufo's are depicted in arts of all ages. below is a link to an example:
4.bp.blogspot.com...
I suggest u google more pics to see for yourself.

I know about all that. You read about it on ATS every day. Ive even written about it.

Im wanting to post the non-ET-Theory in this thread. I think ETs do exist, but Im not sure the Greys are them.

well whoose to say that UFO's are only operated by grays?

i was just saying that an ET presence has been around for ages

reply to post by spacevisitor


Thank you for presenting a case for broad daylight abduction. There are a handful of such cases.

I would like to say that astral-phenomena are not limited to nighttime and bedtime - they only occur at that time the most because people are sufficiently relaxed to be in an altered state.

I repeat the suspicion that Grays may be an interdimensional issue, not an extraterrestrial one (which does not mean that ETs dont exist).

Please note that Daylight Abductions mostly do not involve Grays but other Beings (such as Blondes, Uniformed People, etc)




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Originally posted by milkmustache
two of us had seen a vehicle with about a dozen faceless grey "beings" (reminds me of the painting the scream, looked kinda like that). they were very hazy, a little hard to remember the vehicle they were in, close to the Oscar Meyer weinermobile, but all three of us felt a very strong presence of a female. I remember my buddy jumping off the couch yelling about not wanting to go with her. They looked remarkably similar to what I think greys would look like, never thought of it as anything more than a hallucination. Made me wonder if most grey sightings are brought on by hallucinations in some form or another.

Sounds like astral-entities to me. Thanks for the Contribution. Reminds me of all the reports of '___'-users who report seeing grays, gray-aliens, etc.

Originally posted by c-modamus

well whoose to say that UFO's are only operated by grays?

not me...

and maybe none of the UFOs are operated by any Grays.

These signs youve been abducted by an alien are quite interesting because they contain a number of events that are known in metaphysical literature as astral occurences, such as the "seeing a hooded figure in your bedroom"

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I would like to say that astral-phenomena are not limited to nighttime and bedtime - they only occur at that time the most because people are sufficiently relaxed to be in an altered state.

Look what Budd Hopkins said regarding your saying that most people are sufficiently relaxed to be in an altered state during there abduction.

A careful look at the existing data is enlightening. During the first two decades of research when the very concept of a UFO abduction was formed, all of the central cases involved people who were outside their homes when they were taken. None were lying paralyzed and half asleep in their bedrooms. Instead they were driving automobiles, fishing, hunting, making their rounds as police officers, even, in one famous case, driving a tractor on a farm.

www.intrudersfoundation.org...

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I repeat the suspicion that Grays may be an interdimensional issue, not an extraterrestrial one (which does not mean that ETs dont exist).

I would call it more a combined extraterrestrial and interdimensional issue, so that our Extraterrestrial visitors [where under therefore also the Grays] are using other dimensions for their way of travelling [for the use of a better word].

And it seems as far as I see it correctly that there is a growing thought amongst insiders, investigators and scientists, where under people like Stephen Hawking’s and Michio Kaku that there are indeed other dimensions.

According to string theory, which is our best hope of uniting General Relativity and Quantum Theory, into a Theory of Everything, space-time ought to have ten dimensions, not just the four that we experience. The idea is that six of these ten dimensions are curled up into a space so small, that we don't notice them. On the other hand, the remaining four directions are fairly flat, and are what we call space-time. If this picture is correct, it might be possible to arrange that the four flat directions got mixed up with the six highly curved or warped directions. What this would give rise to, we don't yet know. But it opens exciting possibilities.

www.hawking.org.uk...

Blackholes, Wormholes and the Tenth Dimension
Will these concepts be proven by a theory of everything?
Last June, astronomers were toasting each other with champagne glasses in laboratories around the world, savoring their latest discovery. The repaired $2 billion Hubble Space Telescope, once the laughing stock of the scientific community, had snared its most elusive prize: a black hole. But the discovery of the Holy Grail of astrophysics may also rekindle a long simmering debate within the physics community. What lies on the other side of a black hole? If someone foolishly fell into a black hole, will they be crushed by its immense gravity, as most physicists believe, or will they be propelled into a parallel universe or emerge in another time era? To solve this complex question, physicists are opening up one of the most bizarre and tantalizing chapters in modern physics. They have to navigate a minefield of potentially explosive theories, such as the possibility of “wormholes,” “white holes,” time machines, and even the 10th dimension! This controversy may well validate J.B.S. Haldane’s wry observation that the universe is “not only queerer than we sup- pose, it is queerer than we can suppose.” This delicious controversy, which delights theoretical physicists but boggles the mind of mere mortals, is the subject of my recent book, Hyperspace.

A 10 Dimensional Universe
The curious feature of superstrings, however, is that they can only vibrate in 10 dimensions. This is, in fact, one of the reasons why it can unify the known forces of the universe: in 10 dimensions there is “more room” to accommodate both Einstein’s theory of gravity as well as sub-atomic physics. In some sense, previous attempts at unifying the forces of nature failed because a standard four dimensional theory is “too small” to jam all the forces into one mathematical framework.

To visualize higher dimensions, consider a Japanese tea garden, where carp spend their entire lives swimming on the bottom of a shallow pond. The carp are only vaguely aware of a world beyond the surface. To a carp “scientist,” the universe only consists of two dimensions, length and width.

There is no such thing as “height.” In fact, they are incapable of imagining a third dimension beyond the pond. The word “up” has no meaning for them. (Imagine their distress if we were to suddenly lift them out of their two dimensional universe into “hyperspace,” i.e. our world!) However, if it rains, then the surface of their pond becomes rippled. Although the third dimension is beyond their comprehension, they can clearly see the waves traveling on the pond’s surface.

Likewise, although we earthlings cannot “see” these higher dimensions, we can see their ripples when they vibrate. According to this theory, “light” is nothing but vibrations rippling along the 5th dimension. By adding higher dimensions, we can easily accommodate more and more forces, including the nuclear forces. In a nutshell: the more dimensions we have, the more forces we can accommodate. One persistent criticism of this theory, however, is that we do not see these higher dimensions in the laboratory.

At present, every event in the universe, from the tiniest sub-atomic decay to exploding galaxies, can be described by 4 numbers (length, width, depth, and time), not 10 numbers. To answer this criticism, many physicists believe (but cannot yet prove) that the universe at the instant of the Big Bang was in fact fully 10 dimensional. Only after the instant of creation did 6 of the 10 dimensions “curled up” into a ball too tiny to observe. In a real sense, this theory is really a theory of creation, when the full power of 10 dimensional space-time was manifest.

mkaku.org...

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Please note that Daylight Abductions mostly do not involve Grays but other Beings (such as Blondes, Uniformed People, etc)

It’s not that I don’t believe this but can you link me to some information about that.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
all of the central cases involved people who were outside their homes when they were taken. None were lying paralyzed and half asleep in their bedrooms.

Hmmm...strange that. Contrast:

Most abductees report being taken from their bedroom prior to falling asleep. Typically, at the onset of the abduction experience, the abductee will report paralysis, sighting a bright light, and the appearance of humanoid figures.

There seems to be some serious disagreement within the UFO Community on this.

traveling by automobile at the time of the incident, usually at night or in the early morning hours

they frequently will not consciously remember the experience, either subsequent nightmares or hypnosis will reveal events

It’s not that I don’t believe this but can you link me to some information about that.

Im going from memory purely. I remember Betty Hills was in a car on a street, but other than that I dont remember any outside-of-bed reports other than thosei nvolving blondes, uniformed humans, etc.

In any case, thanks for arguing your point. Its important that readers of these pages see the counter-arguments.

An awesome thread full of pictures of aliens (or, as I think, "spectrals").

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If anyone's interested in pursuing the "astral attack" option I would urge them to look at Alister Crowley's life. He was a known occultist and his group claimed to be in contact with a race of extra-dimensional beings called the Lam. They looked nearly identical to grays and existed long before they had entered public consciousness as the default "alien".

Here's a link that discusses it further: www.boudillion.com...

The OP is correct in saying that not all abductions are physical events. This is because not all extraterrestrial intelligence has a physical form. The "Reptilian" consciousness for example are a non-physical intelligence, existing on the multi-dimensional, astral planes. They could become physical though.

Article - "UFO-Study eventually becomes study of the Paranormal"

Originally posted by ThorinOak
If anyone's interested in pursuing the "astral attack" option I would urge them to look at Alister Crowley's life. He was a known occultist and his group claimed to be in contact with a race of extra-dimensional beings called the Lam. They looked nearly identical to grays and existed long before they had entered public consciousness as the default "alien".

Good

I forgot all about that one! One of the first big-head "grays" to be published and he was astral/extra-dimensional!

I don't know if this is relevant but theres an interesting interview here with Graham Hancock discussing his book 'Supernatural'.
In it he describes how shamans from different locations around the planet all describe meeting very similar 'beings' in the spirit world and how all their paintings do look quite similar.


Part 1:



Supernatural - Graham Hancock

Cheers.

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