Alien Abduction: An astral phenomenon?

reply to post by heyo


Yeah, thanks for the relevant post. Very interesting and rare.

Since everyone has been keyed-into "Grays are from Space" even the slightest pieces of evidence for the astral-theory are important.

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reply to post by Skyfloating


No problem.


Great thread!

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Originally posted by c-modamus
but im open to a couple possibilities. it could be perfect plausible that these astral-beings could be...

In private I call them "spectral beings", not astral. Spectral would mean they are able to manifest on various planes and in various forms.

reply to post by Tamale_214


I just read your thread and the thread by Extralien which prove that this is not actually the "first thread" on the subject. But they did not get the attention they deserve, did they?

Im also reminded of this thread: They come from within

You`re right about your "dark territory" estimation. Im a positive/optimistic type of person and have been reluctant to look into this more deeply because Id rather focus on benign extraterrestrials.

Originally posted by The Shrike
Not everything you said is as said. Especially the "hag" episode. I'm an experiencer.

Thanks for sharing that experience.

I am not saying that Hags and Grays are the same thing, Im saying that they show-up in similar states. The idea is that they are both astral.

reply to post by Tamale_214


Regarding your "A Challenge to ATS"-Thread: I think the Grays may be a seperate phenomenon from all the other space, NASA and UFO stuff. A seperate reality altogether.

What are your thoughts on this? Or: Why do you connect them? Just because they all go under "UFOs and ETs" of is there another reason?

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The Fourth Kind, the new feature film, did make an interesting point - in relation to this thread. The allege footage, shows the abductee's being (if not) "taken over" before the abduction. Some of the real footage, would lead the viewer to be mistaken and thinking one is watching exorcism cases - not abduction.



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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Every Culture/Religion knows astral-beings and knows that they interact from another, non-physical (astral) plane with humans in either benevolent or malevolent ways. In Hinduism and Buddhism there are the Devas and Asuras in Christianity the Equivalent Angels and Demons, in Tribal Religions they are called good and bad Spirits. Actually there is hardly a Religion that does not mention them. In the middle-ages various beings are referred to as Fairies, Dwarves, Goblins, etc. What did they do? They played tricks on and abducted people. Or they visited them at night and performed experiments and forced sex. Here is an image from that time, depicting a "Hag" harrassing a woman at night

Could it also be that culturally, Individuals are updating these experiences with a contemporary explanation. As science and technology make "aliens" seem possible and less abstract then astral beings or religious equivalents.

It could also be that the above examples you list above in relation to religion were used historically to explain psychiatric conditions, experiences or incidents describes today as phenomena like sleep paralysis, psychosis etc.

The only problem with my theory is that Ive also seen UFOs in my lifetime. Flying silver discs. And Im pretty sure those were not astral but physical because I saw them in glaring, wide-awake daylight, not in that shadowy land of halfsleep. Unless the UFOs and the Grays are not related

I don't think this is a problem for you theory. It is very rare that UFO are sited in conjunction with Alien Abduction experiences. I have read many researchers express a need for the two topics to be treated apart, that is we should keep UFO and Alien Abduction separate because UFO siting are Unidentified and does not automatically equal aliens inside them are abducting people. I think your theory should stand alone as a valid alternative due to the lack of UFO activity around abductees

So what I am saying is that these are "aliens", but maybe not in the sense we understand the term "aliens"...

Thoughts?

I agree with you in part. I think what we are doing is describing experiences, that have long been part of our existence, with a New Culturally Updated explanation that is acceptable within a contemporary culture dominated by Science and Technology. A science and technology culture that tells us that Alien life is possible.

Cool Thread. S & F.

Originally posted by infinite
The allege footage, shows the abductee's being (if not) "taken over" before the abduction. Some of the real footage, would lead the viewer to be mistaken and thinking one is watching exorcism cases - not abduction.

"Taken over"? As in...their bodies twitching and or their demeanor changing? That would be interesting.

I`ll have to watch that.

Originally posted by atlasastro
Could it also be that culturally, Individuals are updating these experiences with a contemporary explanation. As science and technology make "aliens" seem possible and less abstract then astral beings or religious equivalents.

Jacques Vallee (among others) has suggested this. The OP is hinting at this. Yes. Quite possible.

It could also be that the above examples you list above in relation to religion were used historically to explain psychiatric conditions, experiences or incidents describes today as phenomena like sleep paralysis, psychosis etc.

Its all either astral/spectral or psychiatric/neurological, depending upon ones worldview. There is always debate between the two sides. Blessed are the psychiatrists who also consider spiritual explanations.

It is very rare that UFO are sited in conjunction with Alien Abduction experiences.

Not surprised. But I do wonder why I experienced both gray-abductions as a child AND disc-sightings later though, well-sensing that they are not directly linked. Maybe a preoccupation with UFO-books (after my abduction experiences I started reading up on it all) has something to do with the disc-sightings.



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Yes, one of the trailers shows footage of a ladies body language suddenly altering - as in possession. Breaks into twitches and a "fit" - similar to demonic possession. Then, she is lifted into the air

Truly terrifying footage

Skyfloating

I just read your thread and the thread by Extralien which prove that this is not actually the "first thread" on the subject. But they did not get the attention they deserve, did they? Im also reminded of this thread: They come from within You`re right about your "dark territory" estimation. Im a positive/optimistic type of person and have been reluctant to look into this more deeply because Id rather focus on benign extraterrestrials.

In my estimation, the thread by Extralien didn't receive nearly enough attention and it is strange indeed. In fact, it was the lack of attention that this thread received which in part led me to posting my "challenge to ATS thread" in which I posited that astral/dreamtime abductions were employed for the purposes of mind-programming individuals away from the truth.

Regarding your "A Challenge to ATS"-Thread: I think the Grays may be a seperate phenomenon from all the other space, NASA and UFO stuff. A seperate reality altogether. What are your thoughts on this? Or: Why do you connect them? Just because they all go under "UFOs and ETs" of is there another reason?

the allies of humanity material proposes that the first contact with ET forces for most planets will be with resource collectives. Groups that work together to obtain natural resources necessary for their continued survival. To this end, it is possible that the "greys" are merely one part of a collective of different races, each with specific needs and working together to meet those needs; thus greys are both separate and apart from other phenomena. Further though, when you start looking at the current state of the NWO and similar theories in connection to the Allies material one of the common connections is the "pyramid" style organisation throughout both secret societies and society as a whole (read: Alex Jones, David Icke et al) . If you keep this in mind whilst examining the ET abduction phenomena one set of conclusion leads to the "Reptilian Overlord" scenario wherein we are slowly but surely being incorporated into the "collective".

tamale

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Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by Tamale_214
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Im also reminded of this thread: They come from within

I'll look into this thread, I've seen the title but that's about it.

You`re right about your "dark territory" estimation. Im a positive/optimistic type of person and have been reluctant to look into this more deeply because Id rather focus on benign extraterrestrials.

In keeping with the Allies material, I might suggest that, while there are benign ET (of this I am fairly certain), that they are not actively engaging with us in the same way that the negative forces are and would tend to think that their is an intergalactic game of good cop/bad cop going on.

I suggest everyone read Montalk's discourse on discerning disinformation as it is, in my opinion, highly cogent and goes along way to explain how this good cop/bad cop routine might be discerned.

tamale.

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Great thread, as usual Skyfloating. S & F.

While I agree you make an interesting point and you are correct that many (not all) reports of grey encounters/abductions seem to include aspects which link them with astral experiences, I think you need to consider a few more option. I tend to think some of your conclusions are a bit premature.

For instance, the idea you posted that abduction being an "astral phenomenon" (in some cases) would mean it was "not an extraterrestrial phenomenon" is flawed, I believe, because it assumes that there can be no relationship between "real" ETs and the "astral plane".

I can "astral project" and have done for many years. I am quite physically real. Yet if I knew you enough to feel I had a solid "lock" on you, and felt so inclined, even I could "abduct" you, or at least put you through a rather shocking experience, as could many experienced projectors. Robert Monroe, who has written several books about his astral experiments, recounts several OOBE episodes of his in which he directly and verifiably affected people (mentally and physically) while they were both awake and asleep. Therefore, there is no reason why an ET civilization which has learned to access and operate with mastery on this level, either through technology or development of their own system, could not also use "astral projection" to achieve certain goals.

"Astral projection" and the "Astral plane" only have 'spiritual' connotations because they are not yet acknowledged or understood by our science. But that doesn't mean they are not understood and employed by ET science.

So I don't think the idea that an "astral" event means it therefore has nothing to do with ETs is valid. The same goes for eliminating "Government experimentation", although I suspect this is less common.

Real physical beings can use the "astral" level, if they are experienced enough, to target and affect other real physical beings. Greys could be both real ETs and operate on the "astral" level, in many cases. As human understanding and experience of this level is relatively limited, we cannot judge why they might do this or what they might achieve from doing so.

I'm not saying that these astral events are carried out by ETs (or are always ETs) but I'm saying that this possibility cannot be ruled out, or even deemed unlikely, just because an event was apparently "astral" in nature.


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reply to post by Skyfloating


Both the physical and the astral are at play in my life and my families.

The physical was disturbing having waken to the effects and marks on my body. My dog and cat also experienced the physical, they vomited a great deal and wanted nothing to do with the room that it had transpired in. These incidents involved being shown craft and in some kind of holographic window I was allowed to see the misery we live in along with a few other things.

Shortly after three such incidents my travels changed toward the Astral and the learning began in a peaceful, gentle manner.

I believe them to be totally separate and different but tied together.

I think we do ourselves a dis-service when we attempt to explain...our impatience and fear keep our Astral bodies and minds tied to these heavy old suites. Each person is unique, their learning path is their own...I suggest to all that experience such things to take time with it and trust your own instincts.

Skyfloating....I like the exploratory tone of your threads and stop by to read....I don't use this word often...BUT I sense something about you... as if you are hiding your authoritative position or nature. It seems you knock yourself down a couple of pegs in order to be here. Have you ever been in the military..anything along those lines?

reply to post by Skyfloating


These beings from other dimensions that commune in the physical realm our dimension one, are not E.T's as what we are potrayed to believe in my oppinion. They are entities of darkness. If one has studied the sacred ancient hermeneutic text, than you'd know what they are, they even have specific names, they will even shift or morph to whatever shape they like to suit their analogy.

They are not friendly, especially when you are forced and placed on an operating table and wake up with a riged areas on your body the next monrinig. The reason they do so in an astral manner is because it will prove to an every day skeptic and logical thinker how ridiculous it would seem of such naturing to have taken place, not even psychiatric hospitals have measures to counter plate such scenarios.

They refer to them as illusionary before they label you schizophrenic. A simple logical thinker or a scientist with magnitude of scientific human empirical knowledge is guaranteed not to be able to comprehend the circumstance of this theory, yet alone believe until it happens to them personally and until they start reading into these sacred books.

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Originally posted by krystalice
These beings from other dimensions that commune in the physical realm our dimension one, are not E.T's as what we are potrayed to believe in my oppinion. They are entities of darkness. If one has studied the sacred ancient hermeneutic text, than you'd know what they are, they even have specific names, they will even shift or morph to whatever shape they like to suit their analogy.

I know what/who you are referring to. Many occasions when meditating, and projecting, I've encountered these dark entities. Sentinels, are the common expression for them - or off worlders.

However, those entities are not responsible for abductions.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by superdebz
But theres still ones you cant rub off as that. People driving in cars, out walking... bla bla bla and stuff with physical evidence as well

But are the broad-daylight abductions really by Grays though? Ive heard of other species abducting people in daylight, but not Grays...(?)

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Here's a video I watched yesterday about a daytime abduction by 'Greys'. It's a pretty amazing tale and the video is unintentionally hilarious at points (6:49 is absolutely priceless! , look out for the shovel action).

www.richplanet.net...

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Excellent thread topic for discussion. I feel that we are leaving out some considerable possibilities yet to be discussed here in this thread:

A) Corroborating abductee testimony confirms that many, if not all advanced ET races, malevolent and benevolent, have the ability to transcend/travel dimensions. This could very well include the astral realm.

B) In many cases, these reports state encounters with beings that seem to appear translucent, or 'see-thru'. In other words, a being w. advanced tech. can literally be 30% in one dimension and 70% in another in order to accomplish a task. This is a strong argument for the translucent quality as reported by many abductee/military encounters.

C) Heightened human brain wave function during the Lucid dream or R.E.M. sleep state could make it easier for ET contact or telepathy to be made. This could be a factor not yet fully understood by modern science.

Many contactee reports confirm that our human mind has much more ability than we are aware of. This either due to the level of consciousness a human carries, or inactive and untapped DNA. Perhaps some ET's have found a way thru advanced tech. to tap into those latent abilities within themselves and us.

reply to post by NightVision


Indeed. It would make a lot of sense for relatively small and physically fragile ETs (such as some Greys are reported to be) to operate fully or partially from another 'level' in which they are not as vulnerable as they are in the "physical" if they have that option, which I believe they do, because even we do although few of us are aware of it.


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