I beg of you read this. Stop the drama...

reply to post by Draves

That is why we should step up and make this world the way we want it so our children don't have to.

And just what specifically is the world according to what "we" want?

reply to post by The Transhumanist


The reason i am being vague is because i have a lot invested in this topic. I for one am actually DOING something in my life to make a change.

I am not willing to discuss that here and now, i may dedicate a thread to it in due course.

It is up to the OP to explain his strategy, he started this thread, and over 100 posts later i still have no clue as to what his plan of action is. I have asked him 3 times.

What are your thoughts?

Peace.

That's a dramatic statement.

Might be easier to stop electrons from orbiting a nucleus than changing the current human condition.

Our organism is locked inside a box built from the mortar of fears and the bricks of our possessions, be they material or vitalistic.

To escape you merely need let go of all that and be prepared to take full responsibility for your life, stay awake and don't hide from what you see happening.

Drama is the resistance the ego exerts to push off the responsibility on someone or something external. If you take responsibility, full responsibility, you will not have to ask that anyone but yourself do anything.

Like, Stopping the drama.

ZG

[edit on 11/8/2009 by ZeroGhost]

reply to post by LiveForever8



Well my stance would depend on what the problem being discussed is. I'm still not sure what that is. Can the OP at least provide a common problem that we can direct our solutions towards?

Why the reluctance? You have relative anonymity here. If you are indeed doing something to bring change, why not share it?



[edit on 8-11-2009 by The Transhumanist]

Originally posted by LiveForever8
reply to post by The Transhumanist

 

My solution is stated above...sort of.

But once again........

Seriously now Draves......what are you going to do tomorrow?

Where is this going?

What is your plan?

Talk is cheap...

Peace.

Tomorrow I will wake up, take a shower, drink some coffee, and take responsibility for the things I posted/started. I have shared some of my deepest desires on this thread and I will continue this as long as I can.

If you get me fired up enough, I can accomplish anything (we all can really). I am one of those special a-holes that can do anything when they set their minds to it. If enough people agree with my deepest desires then obviously I will follow it through.

Would you do the same?

I was looking for your post b/c I really liked it. I had problems finding it however. Star for you. Too many post to keep complete track at this point. I am typing as fast as I can man!

My plan? Wake up, shower, follow through. That sort of thing. Not too much different from you. I have to pack for Milwaukee, then Wednesday I have an interview at a dental school. Woo-hoo i guess.

I might make a website. I can write html. I can write programs. I cam use a potters wheel. I can make furniture. I can mod just about anything. I can make computers. I made a computer that reads at 400 mb/s. I can cook. I can clean. I can make a few select readers star thinking. I can do just about anything. Give me the opportunity and I can do anything.

(funny thought~high school. We had personality/iq test. Everyone in my grade got back 1 to 2 pages of career options...I got back 11-front and back)

Make a decision based on that. I want to change the world. You?

[edit on 11/8/2009 by Draves]

Well good luck with the interview. Keep sharing your ideals. Sometimes that is the most important thing you can do. I am still curious as to what problem you think peaceful resistance is necessary. TPTB? A class system? Political or corporate corruption?

A website would be really cool. Keep us updated if you get it up and running.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by The Transhumanist]

I am younger than 99% of most people here, not trying to bring age into the equation, but I already follow your so called guide lines.

In reality, I do give a crap of what people think of me. I want them to see me for who I am, not based on a stereotype or random judgment, and through my own personal conflicts, these same people usually see through the BS and find the good in me.

That is trust. The best way to get someone to listen to you is by having their trust.

Rather than adopting the policies of Ghandi, one must entirely make up their own. There is a time and place for everything, and nothing is a repeat in life. The drama in my life has been stopped for quite some time. Drama/emotions blind people and prevent logical thinking.

Peaceful resistance or not (I am NOT suggesting it one way or another, just stating), the only way we can make good decisions is when we can fully understand the results of our actions. As I just said, the predictability of our actions are normally clouded...and we must stop this.

It is not just drama. It is everything. It is stupidity. We must educate each other.

reply to post by Draves

ARTIST: The Beatles
TITLE: Revolution
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right (3x)

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can

But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait / Don't you know...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You'd better free your mind instead

But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow / Don't you know...
All right, all right...

Originally posted by Outrageo
Hmmm... very interesting discussion and opinions on all sides. I'll keep reading and following along (though so far I'm leaning toward some of the opposing views)...

...BUT I will NOT flag only because I think it is rather presumptuous and distasteful to ask readers to "please flag" - in the title of your post no less!

It's like a politician coming around asking for votes and endorsements and money before he/she even explains his/her position on anything.

Why should I vote for you? because you "asked" me to, or because you earned, and deserved my trust (and thus, my vote)?

Good luck...

I asked because I am talking from my heart. I want my thoughts to be heard. Really we all want that. This is my chance.

I want to say my word. This thread will die. So will I. So will you. It sucks. There isn't any reason we cannot make this world better for us in the meantime. Yeah, we'll die but we can make this reality better in the meantime...

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


Best not to care. You give them power when you do and their just going to believe what they want about you regardless. Just some advice.

Originally posted by Draves

Originally posted by The Transhumanist
reply to post by johnny2127

 

I understand why you think peaceful resistance is futile in America. But so far all I have heard from you is condemnations of methods of achieving change. So what are your ideas? It's easy to put down the ideas of others let's here some from you.

And to the OP, as I stated before, it is pointless for everyone to go and quit their jobs and refuse to pay taxes until we find some real solidarity. If we find solidarity, we will be a monolithic force. If not, we are a bunch of argumentative people without jobs. I don't know about you, but until the majority can agree on the solution to at least one issue, I am going to keep my job. This really isn't the economy to risk that sort of thing.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by The Transhumanist]

Damn so sad. I wish we all had the willpower to quit jobs and rebel, but that isn't realistic. So what then? Stop paying taxes is a great idea. If everyone stopped paying UNCONSTITUTIONAL income taxes that would definitely shake things up. It would also give us more money.

Just so you know, encouraging others to not pay taxes is a felony. I understand you wanting to change the country and can respect the intent. However, just so you know, you are encouraging others to break the law, and in doing so you are breaking the law as well. You comfortable with that?

Haven't really needed to comment on this yet......
well, what the double h is up with this anyway?

Is it just fear?
Paranoia of something different?
Why does it (you know, drama) have to blow up into a war and cost
quadrillions of you know what?(bucks)
Why does it cause the breakup of so many marriages? (btw)

Drama leads to a whole host of bad stuffs.
I say off with dramas head!

Respect and love for your neighbor?
That concept is almost laughable nowadays!
It's not even considered, in a high percentage of people I would
surmize. IMO of course.
Cripes I don't need to pull up some dumb statistic to tell me that.
Its prolly gonna get worse too. Dang my stinkin' thinkin'!

Sorry for the rantish post, just thinking out loud....
Thanks for the ear!

There are lots of good things in this world that are happening, but the media likes expanding their own interest of violence, hate, disaster, and etc.

Look at how much they talked about the H1N1 crap? Trying to distract the public, to do something. Something like pass a bill that we don't know about, throw the economy off the edge, making profits, spreading the fear, start a war. I may be talking crap from my arse, but one of these days I'll be glad that I never had a computer, T.V, or newspaper.

Funny thing is, most the people I see complaining about "drama" are the biggest generators of it.

reply to post by johnny2127

Just so you know, encouraging others to not pay taxes is a felony. I understand you wanting to change the country and can respect the intent. However, just so you know, you are encouraging others to break the law, and in doing so you are breaking the law as well. You comfortable with that?

No I was not the one to suggest not paying taxes and quitting your jobs. I was commenting on the OP's post. You completely avoided answering my question. What do YOU think the SPECIFIC solution is.

reply to post by Draves


Wanting to change the world is a possession and a desire external to you. Change yourself, everything else changes.

You have a center that is your GPS, so to speak. find that. It may indeed be changing the world, but it does not matter. What does matter is that you love what you do and you follow where that leads you.

There is no need to follow anything but your self, so find out what that is, sans the fear and judgment for all external.

There are no methods, religions, paths other than your own. The drama is the friction of our feet on the road that remind you to pick them up to take a new step. Some eventually never feel the road again. there are no steps to take any more. No drama. They float to the next marker, taking it all in as they go. Experiencing infinite moments. You will to. Eventually.

Stop thinking, weighing, measuring trying to fix things... No need.

Everything is perfect when you see it all as one thing. You'll see that as everyone will, some day. Maybe tomorrow. Again, it doesn't matter.

I am, myself, letting it happen. As obtuse as it might be to external perception. Inappropriately dramatic as it seems to suggest. It does not matter. It just is.

But, have fun with the drama. It's part of the journey too.

ZG

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Draves

 

ARTIST: The Beatles
TITLE: Revolution
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right (3x)

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can

But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait / Don't you know...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You'd better free your mind instead

But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow / Don't you know...
All right, all right...

Yes yes. Great song. It is always better to read lyrics then simply listen. I had a creative writing class where we had to read lyrics to songs, It was mind blowing. It was poetry. If we could all listen to music and understand the lyrics it would be great.

As for a plan...well we just need people. A plan isn't a plan with one person-ish.

I know how to change the world, but unfortunately people who do have ideas must tread softly or face a quiet disappearance. We all know the problems with this world is greed and the lust for power. So taking away money from powerful men is not an easy task. It all comes down to "Good Money" vs. "Evil Money". I promise something is coming...

reply to post by Draves


i don't know about you, but I never felt the need to accept everyone. If someone is wrong, I will tell them, if they're full of crap, I will say they are and if someone needs to chill, i will say chill. On the same token, if I think something is awesome, I will say it just as loud.

I will look at things with an open mind and make a decision. Just because someone wrote it will I feel compelled to accept it.

Think of it as a battle of light vs. dark. It's not a peaceful battle. Can you reason with unreasonable people? I have never found that to be possible.

Your OP is a good thought, but not practical. Yes, we should accept responsibility. But what I got from your post was we need to peacefully protest. Did I get that right?

I think the time for that has long gone. Not that it could never happen again, but many of us are waking up, and refusing to believe the lies. We ARE angry that truth has been kept from us! We are ANGRY that we and our children have been poisoned for years. We are ANGRY to realize that there should be no homeless or starving people. And we are assembling, speaking out, and still feeling unheard. What is our recourse, if we are speaking out for change but not being heard?

True, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but what if the flies want to eat you alive? Do you try to reason with them? Or do you fight to survive?

First comes the thought, then the talking, then the action. I see nothing wrong with people voicing their outrage in an intelligent and constructive manner. Perhaps that is the beginning of change?

I appreciate your epiphony, but as another poster said, we do not live in an eutopia.