Overthrow the democratically elected president, "how patriotic"

reply to post by mikerussellus


I hadn't seen your thread, but I'll have to go check it out. Tort reform and opening up competition are things that I've found in two of the Republican sponsored health care bills that are being completely ignored by the media and government, and are two things I would support provided they were handled correctly.

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reply to post by mrsoul2009


First, I'm a ma'am not a sir as clearly evidenced by my name. Not too many males around named or nicknamed Jenna.

Second, you're fairly new and were not here during the Bush administration to see how many people were completely against everything he and his cronies did and wanted to do. It's not your fault you weren't here then, and I don't hold it against you. But I have seen many of the same people speak out against both administrations, and I have done so myself. So yes, it is a rather well documented fact.

Originally posted by mrsoul2009
Obama/Biden are part of a left of center administration

Bush/Cheney are WAR CRIMINALS

little bit of difference there my friend.

Oh, my, the be-all, end-all of conversations. "Bush/Cheney are war criminals".

And if you read the newspapers, you can see the war is still going on today. And who is leading it now? Obama/Biden. Guess that makes them war criminals, too, right?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
This document you so readily throw in the trash

Whoa!!! Back the truck up!!!!

Who's throwing the document in the trash? Since when is questioning the beliefs, world view, and opinions of people who lived 230 yrs ago (230!!!) throwing something in the trash? I'd appreciate it if you would go back over my post and point out where I suggested doing such a thing. What I was suggesting seems to be quite clear to me.....if a human from 2 centuries (230 yrs !!!!) ago, held some beliefs and opinions that are totally at odds with what we consider to be right and ethical.....are we correct in assuming then that every other stated position is utterly and unequivocally right?

What is so radical to suggest that amongst other beliefs, that there may be something slightly off-center in any other ideas, held by the creators of the U.S. Constitution?

reply to post by jerico65


Good point. I actually believe wholeheartedly that they would need to be held accountable too.

I believe that any president that perpetuates a problem a previous president created should also have to be held accountable if criminal charges or some sort of reprimand were ever brought up.

reply to post by DemonicAngelZero


Great post star for you (well accept that you voted for Obama *wink, wink*).

You made a lot of sense about blaming the government then blaming Obama, then switching back. For me, you could take out the "Obama factor" and I would still want to do away with the cronies, backstabbers, greedies, and sociopaths running this country into the ground. but I have no problem with Obama going down with them, nor did I with Bush.

I was going to say that getting rid of Obama is like cutting off the head of the beast but that's not true. A more accurate analogy would be that Obama, for me at least, simply symbolizes the beast and therefore must be dealt with to send a message.

Do I think we need to overthrow the gov't. heck no. Then we'll all just be left quibbling STILL about just WHO should be running things. What we need to do is start sending a message that we will not tolerate lies, broken promises, secrecy, or catering to special interests ANYMORE.

I'm not really sure how we go about doing that though. you could say to do it with your vote but, seriously, who can you flippin trust anymore?

Are we doomed? I hope not.

But sometimes I wish there was more of a "probationary period", if you will, for elected officials.

I know it sounds crazy but employers do it for a very good reason. Why should people running the country be beholden to a different standard?

You have "X" amount of time to do your job to the best of your ability and then you will be evaluated by the voters (re-vote) they decide if you get to stay employed or not.

I know this isn't practical in any sense, but it is ideal.

[edit on 12-9-2009 by nunya13]

Originally posted by DemonicAngelZero
The Obama-haters make it incredibly difficult, if not impossible, for us to legitimately criticize Obama. Anyone who tries gets thrown in to the "crazy" pile.

I love that you made this point! There are legitimate Obama criticisms that people should be talking about. But there's also the other side of the issue. While I criticize several things that Obama has done, I can't agree with Obama without being thrown in the other crazy pile (of worshipers). I belong in neither pile, as I tend to support Obama in about 65-70% of the issues, but it seems that these days, it's a very popular past time to put people in the position of - Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Or "You're either with us or against us". Everyone wants to place people in the extremes. I guess it's easier to keep track that way.

Crazy chicken world!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
While I criticize several things that Obama has done, I can't agree with Obama without being thrown in the other crazy pile (of worshipers).

Right up there with the people that disagree with Obama automatically being thrown into the "racist" pile.

I don't like his healthcare plan - RACIST!!

I don't like his plan for the economy - RACIST!!

I think he's a nerd because of the jeans he wears - RAC...wait, that's true.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
While I criticize several things that Obama has done, I can't agree with Obama without being thrown in the other crazy pile (of worshipers).

Right up there with the people that disagree with Obama automatically being thrown into the "racist" pile.

I don't like his healthcare plan - RACIST!!

I don't like his plan for the economy - RACIST!!

I think he's a nerd because of the jeans he wears - RAC...wait, that's true.

Please stop this Bs right now. To pretend there is nobody that hates obama because of race is ridiculous.What criticism do you have exactly? Are you aware of the fact the CENTRAL theme of his campaign was healthcare? Are you aware of the fact he WON in a landslide?
Why do you imagine he should do what youwant?
What about the majority that voted for him and his policies?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
The first part is a bald faced lie. You do realize that many of us don't subscribe to either Party?

You may not subscribe any party but it doesnt take much to recognize as conservatives you find yourselves more sympathetic to the Republican party. So, why you can say you dont outright support either one, I am pritty sure you found yourself more confortable under one as oppose to the other.

We criticize both Parties

You do a half assed slap on the hand for one party just to keep face when blatantly screaming out the policies of another. I hardly see that as criticism. Ofcourse many of you will not subscribe to any party and even any ideology to play the impartiality ploy, but your histories and your reponses are evident enough to me.

Everybodies an independent, and yet we have two parties with roughly equal support. Can you work that out?

The Constitution is what it is.

Exactly, it is, and it should be respected as such. Obama was constitutally elected as president. Many here continue to cite the fact "electors, not the people vote" as an excuse for them to justify their own personal selfishness on the path of this nation. The truth is even within that argument the electors followed the will of the popular voted and voted Obama, legally, constitutionally. Im not concerned about this mans position as president, his firmly there. The point of my OP is hypothetical, any self described "patriot" or "revolutionary" would remove this man if they had the chance, regardless of the people, regardless of the will of the constitution. Thats my point, the hypocrisy of upholding the constitution while ignoring it for your own selfish ideological beliefs. That is not the republic the founding fathers intended.

what is it about this Obama that makes you so mesmerized by him

Its interesting, nothing in my OP mentioned anything of Obama praise or worship, but ofcourse your line of attack like others is to base assumptions. Thus far Obama has satisfied me with policies and I hope he passed the public option, if anything to p*ss the hell out of you fellas, and I get the feeling that will happen. I do disagree with him on the case of FISA and his slowness on dont ask dont tell, but never the less we have his entire administration still to go through.

that you willingly slander others who are simply exercising THEIR right to Free Speech or Assembly?

And this is where blatantly lie to me. I never opposed anybodies free speech, never said any such thing in my OP or in anything I have posted. So please dont lie about what I supposedly said and did not say, it certainly doesnt stay on topic either.

Bush was a bad man.

He was a bad man after 2008 Blaine. Thats what I see from you fellas.

SG.

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reply to post by hisshadow


And I wonder how the people of California are liking AUUNULLD? I was there for five years up until last September.

California is the canary for what socialism and liberalism can do for America.
Right now the worst state in the nation economically, 22% unemployment. That is the real number. IOU's for tax returns until he got loans to payback money that he had in the first place.

The smartest man in the world said or the smartest women-either Einstein or Reta Mae Brown "Insanity is when you keep doing the same things expecting different results"

Name one socialist-fiat money government that has ever survived.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
You do a half assed slap on the hand for one party just to keep face when blatantly screaming out the policies of another.

Now why does that seem so familiar to me... Oh yeah, because of all the threads where someone jumps into a discussion about current policies or proposed policies with:

But Bush did this!
Bush did that!
Bush did this and that while also doing a third thing!!!

All the while acting like that completely justifies anything and everything done by this administration. Sounds an awful lot like the pot and the kettle to me, but eh what do I know?

reply to post by OldDragger


He won by a few million votes that does not constitute a landslide.

His campaign had no central platform at all besides change and Joe the Plumber and that he wasn't George Bush.

There is an excellent chance that every time that accusations of racism are brought up, that many people will never vote for a black cantidate again, just to avoid the frustration of hearing people use that accusation to hide from the issues again and again and again.

News flash there is no law that says anyone has to like anyone else, regardless of their skin color, religion, political party, sex, sexual orientation, or social economic status, or employment.

Complaining that you aren't loved doesn't make a person more lovable, doing something lovable makes a person more lovable.

I haven't seen one significant accomplishment come out of the Obama White House except spending more money, on more wasteful programs, in a shorter period of time than any leader in world history, and giving most of it to the world's richest people.

I would honestly say a lot of people did vote for him for racist reasons, he never wrote a bill passed into Law in the United States Senate or the State of Illisnois, has never ran a big business, never commanded a military orginization, he has never been anything but be a lawyer for grass root community activists and orginizations like Accorn and lived off of grants, and tax payer checks.

In reality he's the ultimate poster child for welfare.







[edit on 12/9/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by Jenna
Now why does that seem so familiar to me... Oh yeah, because of all the threads where someone jumps into a discussion about current policies or proposed policies with:

But Bush did this!

Bush did that!

Tell me, where were your impeachment movements during Bush jenna? Where were the tea baggers? No where Jenna. Now you are most welcome to go on and lower what Bush did to this nation, but the actions of teabaggers now as compared to the past tells me, and alot of other folks, where you fellas really stand. I assure it is this reason why your movement will always be characterized as that of the fringe.

SG

reply to post by Southern Guardian


It is obvious you are one of the many Americans who has never even read the Constitution, or what the forefathers of this nation said the people could do if a government turned tyrannical.

So perhaps instead of showing the fact that you have never read, and you have no understanding whatsoever about the Consitution, the Bill of Rights within it, and even the Declaration of Independence, perhaps you should read those documents, and make yourself familiar with them before you start claiming things you are ignorant about.

democratically elected. majority rules. ELECTORAL votes. every single American's vote should count as 1 actual vote. electoral votes, at least as i understand it, makes some more important than others. not to mention how many cases of voter fraud were quickly and quietly swept under the mat in this last election. I did not elect him, and if i had, i'd still be pissed.
just my quick thoughts... plz correct me if i'm wrong, but PLZ BE GENTLE, im new here and still learning the ropes.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Fringe? But we are only called that when we disagree. See back when all the Anti-Bush demonstrations were happening we weren't the "fringe" we stood right next to you and voiced our discontent, from anti-war to anti-gov to anti-bailout.

As long as we were against the same thing, we weren't fringe.

But now that we disagree, we get labeled fringe? You are kidding me, right?

Not everyone in this country thinks Obama is the best thing since sliced bread. And MANY of his supporters from election time are experiencing "Voter's remorse."

So, are those who voted for him, yet are seeing that he is no different than any of the previous failures as President, and are vocal about their discontent also fringe, or is it ONLY those who didn't believe in Obama's promises for Hope & Change that are the fringe?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
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I assure it is this reason why your movement will always be characterized as that of the fringe.

SG

The only "fringe" around here seems to be you. The current administration is destroying the nation, and transforming it into another form of Socialist dictatorship. if you believe claiming "because nothing was done during the Bush administration, it is alright to allow the current administration destroy the country" you are more wrong and more ignorant than you made apparent by making this thread.

The People, and yes SG those who are speaking up against what the govenrment is doing ARE A PART OF WE THE PEOPLE, have a right to protest, and demand for the destruction of the nation to be stopped.

If you don't like it you can always move on to a more Socialist nation if that is what you like.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
You do a half assed slap on the hand for one party just to keep face when blatantly screaming out the policies of another.

Now why does that seem so familiar to me... Oh yeah, because of all the threads where someone jumps into a discussion about current policies or proposed policies with:

But Bush did this!
Bush did that!
Bush did this and that while also doing a third thing!!!

All the while acting like that completely justifies anything and everything done by this administration. Sounds an awful lot like the pot and the kettle to me, but eh what do I know?

What has Obama done that needs to be justified?
To pretend that it wasn't Bush and the Republicans/Conservatives didn't rack up ASTRONOMICAL debt and defeciets is insane. When did this start? One year ago. Who was in charge?
So do you put forth the laughable position that Obama would have poured billions into stimulous if the economy wasn't in a shambles when he took office? What "socialist moves did he make that the previous administration did not originate? What the hell would you have done? Or McCain, or Ron Paul ( LOL)?
Health care? God forbit that Americans not have to go broke when they are sick. After all, theres MONEY TO BE MADE!
We finally have someone in office that actually IS trying to change things, yet Americans have to sabatouge at every turn. Unreal.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
It is obvious you are one of the many Americans who has never even read the Constitution,

Oh really? So I was incorrect about stating that Obama was constitutionally elected president? I hear alot of ya'll down here telling "how wrong I got the constitution" and yet they continue to tell me where exactly?

Obama was gained the popular vote did he not?
Obama was voted in by the electors was he not?
Obama was confirmed president in January 21 of 2009 was he not?

Tell me where did I get this wrong? Oh yes wait he wasnt a southern white christian conservative named George? Because clearly in the constitution it states this:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, who is not named George from Alabama, who is not of pure european ancestry and who is not chosen by conservative americans, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

www.law.cornell.edu...

I am terribly sorry I got that wrong Electric. You are right, I "misread" the constitution. You may impeach the man now. Go and get O RLY to do the lawsuit for ya'll again. She certainly did a number on the judges in her last several? lawsuits.

SG

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reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Oh geebus! I forgot to add "christian" to the constitution, man I am so bad at understanding the constitution! Thanks for bringing it to my attention Electric!