Overthrow the democratically elected president, "how patriotic"

I find it rather bothersom of the willful neglect of the constitution when it doesnt suit the arguments of some folks. Lets not the forget the constitution was not written "by conservatives" for "conservatives". It was not written "patriots" for "patriots". The constitution was written by the people for the people. The constitution represents all americans, in all ethnicities, religions and ideologies. There is gross ignorance of the constitutional rights that apply to all americans among many on here. I tell ya, its rather interesting seeing a thread regarding how Obama should be impeached because of this unauthenticated document or that he should be removed because of this policie or that the "american people want him to leave" even though that really translates to "southern conservatives and disgruntled libertarians want him to".

Is this what you consider patriotic? Is what you consider following the will of the founding fathers? Overthrowing a fairly elected president candidate on the basis of your own personal suspcions, theories, hatred? Where did this mentality come from? Does the consensus among those in this forum, among the conservative populous dictate the entire path of the nation? I mean we certainly had conservative southerners in office for the past 28years so maybe folks forget as to whom and what these constitutional rights apply to. Maybe folks should start reminding themselves that those constitutional rights are not exclusive to "certain kinds of americans".

You may not like Obama for all sorts of reasons but he was democratically elected as president on November 4th 2008. He was constitutionally confirmed eligible in December of 2008 by both congress and the electoral college. Whether you choose to accept it or not he did sufficiently provide evidence of his birth right for the presidency. This isnt about you, this isnt about your personal issues about the man, this is about the will of the constitution, the will of those men who stood around that table in 1775 to form this great Union of ours, the will of the people who voted one November 4th 2008. Maybe the founding fathers didnt anticipate future presidents and who they are, what they will be like, but they certainly drafted the rights to be applied to all americans, of all colours, all creeds and yes even ideological beliefs. Obama was constitutionally elected as president, and while the people of this nation have every right to remove a president on the basis of abuse of power, that requires for a constitutional reference for any such removal to take place and recognition of the constitutional rights of that president and those who disagree. Something people here willfully forget and shut out.

In addition to this, the mere fact you all kept your mouths shut over the last 8years only the speak up now clearly shows that this has nothing to do with the constitution and everything to do with cultural shock and fear and to be frank, that isnt sufficient enough to remove him from office.

So, the next time anybody here goes on about how the president should be impeached, hanged, or whatever twisted reasoning you folks have, remember that you dont speak for all who contribute to this country, you dont speak for the constitution, you dont dictate the path of this nation exclusively and you dont draft the eligibility laws exclusively. This is a Union, shared by many peoples of many beliefs and many ideologies. Despite our differences we all share rights from the constitution and we all contribute to moving the nation on path. So, please cut the "patriotic water the liberty" garbage, because you dont own that right exclusively. You may not like where this nation is heading to, but thank the founding fathers you dont constitutionally speak for the rest of the nation exclusively.

So the next time you post a thread or reply stating about how Obama and the government should be overthrown, but the constitution where your mouth is, not where your personal suspicions and hatred lie.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Very well said! Unfortunatly wasted on the delusional "patriots" that seem to llinger here more and more. The Republic endures....despite it's citizens!

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Since only about 10-12% of the population actually fought to establish this country, complete with a Constitution, that number is sufficient to toss off any unconstitutional behavior or persons engaging in such.

The media elected Obama.

He was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Going to make a change. Openness. Understanding. All voices would be heard.

Come to find out, he's likely not Constitutionally qualified to be President.

That's CONSTITUTIONALLY qualified. That all manner of blocking the truth of the matter is sufficient validation.

That no one wants to dig and then have it proven that they failed in their responsibilities is another roadblock.

I don't like him, I don't like his lies, I don't like his communist mentors. I don't like his racist friends. I don't like the deficits he's run up, I don't like his rewarding ACORN and the Unions for getting him elected, and I just don't like him.

So if I wake up, and discover that something terrible has happened to him, I'll just reminded myself that Obama has pissed off a lot more people than did Kennedy.

And then go back to the rest of my nap.

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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

In addition to this, the mere fact you all kept your mouths shut over the last 8years only the speak up now clearly shows that this has nothing to do with the constitution and everything to do with cultural shock and fear and to be frank, that isnt sufficient enough to remove him from office.

Most of the people who dislike Obama and his policies on this site are the same ones who disliked Bush and his policies. Don't let that tiny little fact stand in the way though.

reply to post by OldDragger


It was NEVER about Obama. The same people calling for a revolution were calling such when Bush was in office.

Elected or not, when a government turns tyranical, it's time to remove them. We aren't there yet, and I'm not sure we ever will, but there is a chance.

People are upset that the politicians time and time again have betrayed out basic beliefs and the foundations of this country. They still continue on this path of self destruction. It's not about Obama, it's not about right or left, it's about politicians who don't know where they stand and keep pushing, pushing, pushing the people.

reply to post by OldDragger

SO let me ask you, why in the hell should anyone CARE what you like or don't? Too freakin bad. The shallowness of thinking like this amazes me. It's not ABOUT YOU spoiled boy!
Obam won. Game over.

Winning a Presidential election in a representative republic is not a referendum or mandate to become or be a dictator.

The democratic process is one that is comprised of debate. Debate is comprised of dissent. People for and against issues arguing the pros and cons of said issues is what comprises and constitutes said debate.

Winning office, just means winning the right to be a representative and advocate of a party, not elevation to a position of authority above all others in a dictatorial manner meant to eliminate or stifle debate or dissent.

Perhaps if you spent more time studying U.S. History, the Constitution, and the American political process instead of playing X-box, and Nintendo you wouldn’t be inclined to think that the American electoral process is a contest and game to elect a dictator?

Maybe you should actually familiarize yourself with said game, and it’s actual rules before declaring it over?

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

In addition to this, the mere fact you all kept your mouths shut over the last 8years only the speak up now clearly shows that this has nothing to do with the constitution and everything to do with cultural shock and fear and to be frank, that isnt sufficient enough to remove him from office.

Most of the people who dislike Obama and his policies on this site are the same ones who disliked Bush and his policies. Don't let that tiny little fact stand in the way though.

And this proves........what again?
That they are habitualy negative, never happy. Always paranoid?
Just trying to help.
You know what? Overthrowing The President ( any President) by violence is a very dangerous game. If you try, be aware that the rest of reserve our right to put you in the Federal Pen, or into the ground. Just so the rules are clear.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Quite amusing.
Never seen an X Box. I've been around for, oh lets see ten Presidents now, was debating and dissenting before you were born probably.
I have no problem with dissent. Advocating the violent overthrow of the Government? Yep, big problem.
I think I'll just be amused at the rest of your post if you don't mind.

Originally posted by OldDragger

And this proves........what again?
That they are habitualy negative, never happy. Always paranoid?
Just trying to help.
You know what? Overthrowing The President ( any President) by violence is a very dangerous game. If you try, be aware that the rest of reserve our right to put you in the Federal Pen, or into the ground. Just so the rules are clear.

I wouldn't think this would have to be spelled out, but apparently it does. What it proves is that this isn't just about Obama, it isn't just a bunch of disgruntled Republicans, and it's not just people whining because their man lost. What it proves is that people have been sick and tired of what's going on in Washington for a very long time, they're ready for a change, and everything coming from Obama is more of the same. What it proves is that all the finger-pointing by some people trying to say it's just racist rednecks that hate Obama is nothing but a bunch of hot-air.

You know what? I didn't mention violence, or overthrowing Obama with it. How's about not talking about putting me in the ground for something I didn't mention?

[edit on 11-9-2009 by Jenna]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by OldDragger

 

SO let me ask you, why in the hell should anyone CARE what you like or don't? Too freakin bad. The shallowness of thinking like this amazes me. It's not ABOUT YOU spoiled boy!
Obam won. Game over.

Winning a Presidential election in a representative republic is not a referendum or mandate to become or be a dictator.

The democratic process is one that is comprised of debate. Debate is comprised of dissent. People for and against issues arguing the pros and cons of said issues is what comprises and constitutes said debate.

Winning office, just means winning the right to be a representative and advocate of a party, not elevation to a position of authority above all others in a dictatorial manner meant to eliminate or stifle debate or dissent.

Perhaps if you spent more time studying U.S. History, the Constitution, and the American political process instead of playing X-box, and Nintendo you wouldn’t be inclined to think that the American electoral process is a contest and game to elect a dictator?

Maybe you should actually familiarize yourself with said game, and it’s actual rules before declaring it over?

I think you should have posted that 8 years ago when Bush was in office.

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Quite amusing.
Never seen an X Box. I've been around for, oh lets see ten Presidents now, was debating and dissenting before you were born probably.
I have no problem with dissent. Advocating the violent overthrow of the Government? Yep, big problem.
I think I'll just be amused at the rest of your post if you don't mind.

10 U.S. Presidents would have you in diapers when Kennedy was in office and coming of age during Regan.
I am assuming the old dagger was a bayonet left to you by a great grandfather from World War I, which is likely about as sharp as your arguments so far.

You are and have clearly advocated for a notion that once elected to office representatives are no longer bound or need tolerate or accept dissent and debate amongst the populace and that it is wrong for anyone in the populace to dissent or debate against any policy initiative of said elected representative.

This is neither democratic nor American, as being American and what constitutes an actual American is someone willing and capable of dissent and in fact that is the only thing that keeps governments from becoming dictatorial.

While many might lack the temperance or wisdom, maturity or critical mind despite the lengths of their teeth to understand or comprehend this process it is a critical one that must be continually engaged to prevent dictators and dictatorial power from falling into the hands of a leader in Washington.

Of course what makes the democratic process a viable one is actual civility and manners being engaged during debate so debate can be productive. Ad hominid attacks are in fact not just uncivil and devoid of the decorum in which civilized human beings govern themselves but a means to actually confuse and redirect away from the real political issues.

I stand corrected, that Atari machine is worth a pretty penny to collectors, you might want to consider selling in such a poor and poorly run economy.

reply to post by Southern Guardian



If we had a visual representation in one line it would be very clear -
Xenophobia and fear is the gasoline for some conservative engines.
Each charge is in the same family as the last all aimed to induce fear,
kind of like Bush's entire dealings with the public.

reply to post by JBA2848


You can ask some of the posters to this thread what kind of fan I am of George W. Bush, Jr. or Sr.

You might have been better served actually first knowing my political views 8 years ago before being assumptive for the purpose of fostering an innefectual deflectionary argument.

According to my calendar today is September 11, 2009 and not 8 years ago. According to my general well established oppinion Barack Hussein Obama is currently the President and not George H. W. Bush, Jr.

If Barack Hussein Obama did not want to have to contend with the voting populace and the American democratic process as President, Barack Hussein Obama should not have run for office of President, as Barack Hussein Obama is in fact now President and there is only one sitting President at a time in the United States of America and the only real and effectual debate is about the here and now and what is going on in the here and now, which no past President is any longer a party too.

Once again today's date is September 11, 2009, and Barack Hussein Obama is President of the United States and is the only person currently charged and empowered with the responsibilities and privelage of the office of President of the United States.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Come to find out, he's likely not Constitutionally qualified to be President.

That's CONSTITUTIONALLY qualified. That all manner of blocking the truth of the matter is sufficient validation.

Lets see your proof???

The proof is in the pudding and this boosts hefty helpings of fear propagating innuendo.

That all manner of creating fear and doubt is sufficient enough a validation

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by OldDragger

 

SO let me ask you, why in the hell should anyone CARE what you like or don't? Too freakin bad. The shallowness of thinking like this amazes me. It's not ABOUT YOU spoiled boy!
Obam won. Game over.

Winning a Presidential election in a representative republic is not a referendum or mandate to become or be a dictator.

Are you conscience?

What form of dictate have you seen practiced by OBAMA?

Cause as far as I can tell he just gave plenty of ground in the healthcare debate, NOT universal healthcare, not even close...

Dictator my foot - the stars above your post speak to pandemic of this insanity, you guys have abandoned reality for emotion driven rage.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


First of all, it ain't no Conservative thing. It is merely your assumption and die hard belief that it is a conservative thing. you confirm the assumption when you say

"You may not like Obama for all sorts of reasons but he was democratically elected as president on November 4th 2008."

The quote above is true. People do dislike Obama for various reasons. Some reasons are legit and others aren't. Some who dislike him are conservatives and some aren't. Yet, in your eyes they are all conservatives.

Second, I am really surprised that you take threads such as overthrow and birth certificate so seriously. You and I both know that Obama's position as President is secure and the odds of him being removed by one of the options above is basically zero.

So, why the big fuss? Is this really about Obama or just another opportunity for you to debate with conservatives? I am sure that you are well aware that most people apply the constitution based on their belief rather than equality. hypocrisy? Yes, I would say it is. But aren't we all hypocritical in our views to some extent.

Finally, this quote

In addition to this, the mere fact you all kept your mouths shut over the last 8years only the speak up now clearly shows that this has nothing to do with the constitution

You don't have to keep up bringing the last eight years just to defend Obama. Let it go. It isn't no longer about the last 8 years. It is all about now. Nothing can change what happened the last eight years. Some people saw them as bad, some as so-so, and some as good and Obama's years will be seen in the same fashion.

IMO, he still has 3.25 years left and people who are against him are underestimating him. There is still plenty of time for him to recover this economy and be well on his way to winning his second term.

The odds are in Obama's corner and it just surprises me that many are already counting him out.

Get used to it. You live in a country where freedom of speech is protected. Yet you complain about it. Then you cite the constitution as some sort of proof, we the people shouldn't complain about the resident in the white house.

The resident at the white house is nothing but a mere man just like the rest of them that sat where he now does. This white house resident is no god or messiah, there is nothing special about him which would exempt him from criticism. You find it offensive for Americans to criticise that which you idolize? to bad, so sad. This is not a McDonald's hamburger joint and your not going to have it your way. This is America!

If there ever should come a day where it be illegal for me to criticise this man, then I will know for sure this is no longer America. Though that might be perfectly OK with you, It's not OK with me. Got it?

reply to post by dooper

The media elected Obama.

He was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Going to make a change. Openness. Understanding. All voices would be heard.

Come to find out, he's likely not Constitutionally qualified to be President.

Got to disagree. The media favored Obama. But can you blame them. I mean the Republicans nominated John McCain. That speaks for itself. The people elected Obama because they believed in what he said, they believed it was time for change after 8 years, and the economy was pretty much stinking.

Obama deserves more credit than you give him. He worked his butt to earn what he got. Yes the media shined on him, but they wouldn't have if he had not agreed to be so available to the press.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


And where is the dictatorship?

If he were a dictator, why is he fighting to get his healthcare bill passed - a dictator wouldn't have to

The contention of the OP is that peaceful dissent is good, using force to overthrow a democratically-elected government is no.

Also, IMO, I don't think the hatred expressed for this particular president is largely coming from fed-up independents, but from ideological opponents on the right.

The hysteria that has erupted since his election is not due to the fact that he is not the huge change many hoped for, but more due to the fact that many people have been persuaded that he has made a huge change and that we are now heading into some kind of communist dictatorship.

Which appears to be happening only inside their heads.

America's political culture has had problems for a long time, and the government (at all levels not just federal) has been becoming more intrusive.

But what we are seeing on ATS is not a reaction to that, it is the demonization of a single individual.