None of you have ever seen an extraterrestrial object.

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Don't be a liar, Aceace.

It's not just hearsay. We have video evidence, we have personal reports from people, we have photos, we have physical evidence from UFO scenes.

This is not just a group of people on here who are swapping their stories, you liar. This site is primarily dedicated to obtaining the truth that extra-terrestrials are visiting this planet.

YOU haven't shown any evidence that aliens aren't visiting our planet.

So, shoo-shoo...

Originally posted by Mak Manto

It's not just hearsay. We have video evidence, we have personal reports from people, we have photos, we have physical evidence from UFO scenes.

This is not just a group of people on here who are swapping their stories, you liar. This site is primarily dedicated to obtaining the truth that extra-terrestrials are visiting this planet.

YOU haven't shown any evidence that aliens aren't visiting our planet.

So, shoo-shoo...

this makes me think of people with "faith" and/or to an extreme the radical muslims. Religion isn't a spiritual thing for them, it's a way of life. Their psychism is gone, they do not think by themselves anymore, when you ask them a spiritual question they quote you the Qur'an. Same with radical christians.

Alien believers are like religious fanatics, they want to believe.

We have personal reports of people talking with god all the time, we have photos of the Christ, Mohammed etc. we have "physical evidences" like churches, holy books and there are probably videos too.

All the same stuff different topics, nonetheless they can't be proven true or false. Therefore this is pretty pointless.

Until we get undeniable proof of alien spacecrafts they remain mostly hearsay and blurry pictures.

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Then, Conan, the question YOU must ask yourself is "what is undeniable proof?"

Tell me, I would love to hear from a non-believer.

If you knew how many Alien ships were in our skies daily it would blow your mind.

On there daily duties they are simply moving to fast for your eyes to catch and also the same with camera's.

If you knew the things that have been kept from you .....you would really feel stupid and if you didn't feel stupid you should have.

I didn't write that to be nasty, I don't really like the word stupid (but the Beings use that word because they know we can resonate with the word) when referring to us.

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
Where are the alien remains thru several hundred thousand years of life?

You ask the easy questions. Fossilization is an extremely rare phenomenon, it's not a process that happens consistently. So, for every species you see revealed through fossilization, there are probably a thousand other totally unknown species that were never fossilized. Think about that. Although we have recovered a formidable collection of dinosaur fossils, revealing several thousand extinct species, the fact is that there were probably hundreds of thousands or even millions of species of dinosaurs that we will never know because they were never fossilized.

Just so, it's possible that there have been many intelligent hominid species about which we know nothing because there is too little or no physical evidence remaining.

This is what we do know about human-like hominid fossils, however — they reveal to us that several intelligent non-human species existed on Earth before the evolution of Homo sapiens. Many of these intelligent proto-humans coexisted and may have even interacted. Which is not very far removed from what I'm suggesting.

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
I could agree with you that they could be much more advanced than we are but what his their ancestor? where is their past civilizations? no matter how you look at it, they need to have a history

Agreed, and there is plenty of evidence of very advanced ancient civilizations on Earth that we can't explain. There are many examples of ancient architecture, possibly dating back 10,000 years into prehistory, that we simply cannot explain, and there are many stone-age depictions on rock faces and cave walls of entities that look an awful lot like our modern descriptions of "aliens" or whatever they are.

For that matter, we may have indeed discovered the bones of an advanced hominid species and simply not recognized it or mis-categorized it. Happens all the time in the fields of paleontology and archaeology.

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
really. too many scientists... too many military personnel:
show me their pictures -->

If you knew anything about the field of UFOlogy, you'd know that there are way too many photos by scientists and military personnel to list them in this thread, but here are a few:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4d8d1831a6a1.jpg[/atsimg]

(above) RCAF pilot Childerhose Canada 1956 UFO Photo over the Canadian Rockies near Ft. MacCleod, Alberta, by Canadian Air Force pilot R. J. Childerhose.
A Royal Canadian Air Force pilot, while flying in a 4 plane formation at an altitude of about 11 km on 27-Aug-1958, saw and photographed a bright disc that was remaining stationary between the clouds.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/db92a02ad23b.jpg[/atsimg]

(above) The 1958 Trindade Island Brazil UFO was photographed while seen by more qualified observers than any other sighting — this is just one of 6 sequential photos taken by the observers. It is the credibility of the 47 crew members and scientists on the deck of the Brazilian Navy ship "Almirante Saldanha" that makes the Trindade, Brazil UFO photos so interesting. The incident was not isolated, but at least five other sightings occurred around this island during the end of 1957 and in January 1958.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3580085e71c0.jpg[/atsimg]

(above) Costa Rica 1971: A large disk or shallow cone was auto-photographed in 1971 by a Costan Rican government mapping plane during an aerial mapping mission.
Two similar UFOs, described as huge 600-700ft conical hats, were reported in a multiple witness sighting by US Navy aircraft in Sep-1950 over Korea.

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
All "alien" spacecrafts pictures are fake or mistaken for something else.

Prove it.


— Doc Velocity






[edit on 8/22/2009 by Doc Velocity]

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Agreed, and there is plenty of evidence of very advanced ancient civilizations on Earth that we can't explain. There are many examples of ancient architecture, possibly dating back 10,000 years into prehistory, that we simply cannot explain, and there are many stone-age depictions on rock faces and cave walls of entities that look an awful lot like our modern descriptions of "aliens" or whatever they are.

sorry but this is BS plain simple.

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
really. too many scientists... too many military personnel:
show me their pictures -->

If you knew anything about the field of UFOlogy, you'd know that there are way too many photos by scientists and military personnel to list them in this thread, but here are a few:

These pictures can be anything really, and they probably have a simple explanation, natural phenomenons or simply fakes. I hope you come up
with better pictures than that to convince me of non-human spacecrafts.

here is a good quality picture of a flying object phantom

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
All "alien" spacecrafts pictures are fake or mistaken for something else.

Prove it.

I hope you aren't serious? i'm not gonna waste my lifetime proving to you that alien spacecrafts pictures are fakes. Besides, if you think they are crafts of unknown origin, you gotta prove it to us.









[edit on 22-8-2009 by Conan The Usurper]

Holy mother of GAH folks...

The lights over Phoenix WERE FLARES! Here is a link to a nice bit wrote up on this site about the sighting in depth:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is the video from the tv show that explained it in depth:

www.youtube.com...


Imo, the purpose of them dropping flares succeeded incredibly. Just look at how many misinformed folks WHO FOLLOW UFOS don't realize the truth! It's like this... that they muddy the waters, and make UFO believers look like misinformed nutjobs.

Unlike some however, I don't believe for a moment that the sightings which started a couple of hours earlier, were all jets... the same that dropped those flares. People do not give humans near enough credit in identifying objects in the sky. Would YOU recognize a formation of jets if you saw one? I know I would, and I'm no pilot.

The flares were dropped well after a whole slew of calls came in about a triangular craft being seen flying south. In sight of the city. For the first and only time, ever. How convenient? What are the odds they'd just decide to "dump a few spare flares" in sight of the city on the SAME night as the mysterious sightings to the north. What bloody convenient timing eh?



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Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
sorry but this is BS plain simple.

And you are qualified to make the determination that ancient architecture is "BS"? I think, more likely, that you simply won't accept anything as evidence that challenges your inflexible beliefs.

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
These pictures can be anything really, and they probably have a simple explanation, natural phenomenons or simply fakes. I hope you come up with better pictures than that to convince me of non-human spacecrafts.

Again, you asked for UFO photographs by eminently qualified observers such as scientists and military personnel, and I provided a few samples; whereupon, you declare them to be fakes, without objectively researching the cases.

The overwhelming evidence of your responses is that you are not willing to consider anything that threatens your belief.

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
I hope you aren't serious? i'm not gonna waste my lifetime proving to you that alien spacecrafts pictures are fakes. Besides, if you think they are crafts of unknown origin, you gotta prove it to us.

Yet you swiftly pronounce ALL UFO photos to be fakes or misidentifications. How can you make that determination so quickly, but you can't take a few moments to prove your claims?

This is the failing of the closed-minded skeptics. They immediately cry "fake" without the slightest evidence to support their determination. When asked to prove how they know these images are "fakes," the skeptics turn tail and run, squeaking over their shoulders "You UFO witnesses have to provide the evidence, not us!"

Listen, I'll say this slowly for you, so you can more readily grasp it... The photos and videos are the evidence. The UFO witnesses claim they saw something, and they provide the photos and videos as evidence, okay? Their obligation to "prove" their claims has thus been fulfilled.

Now the ball is in the skeptics' court, and the skeptics automatically cry "fake"... But where is your evidence that they are fakes? Have you analyzed these photos, have you personally investigated alleged UFO landing sites, have you interviewed witnesses?

No, you haven't. Yet you're telling us these photos are "fakes"... Which indicates to me that you're just as closed-minded and inflexible as the "believers."

Just for the record, I have not referred to these UFOs as "spacecraft" — I do not think they are spacecraft, I have never seen one in space, and neither have you. Rather, I'm of the opinion that they are terrestrial UFOs, originating right here on Earth.

— Doc Velocity




[edit on 8/22/2009 by Doc Velocity]

to make a long story short, because quite honestly i'm tired of debunking naivety, i'll give you an example which i'm familiar with.

In one of Von Daniken book, (one of the biggest crook there is) he claims this picture represents an astronaut in ancient time (sigh) yet, when you take the time to learn about the culture of these ancients people, the Mayas, you realize that all those symbols represents some of their gods distinctively.

Pacal

"Von Däniken's claim is not considered a credible interpretation by any professional Mayanist. For example Ian Graham responded, "Well I certainly don't see any need to regard him as a space man. I don't see any oxygen tubes. I see a very characteristically drawn Maya face""

I will write it here again, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO TRACE WHATSOEVER OF ANCIENT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL PRESENCES OR CULTURES WITHIN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET EARTH nor of any unknown origins

as far the sightings and witnesses, like i said, 99,9% of the witness have no clue what a weather balloon looks like.

BRING ME ONE SINGLE CLEAR PICTURE OF A UFO
i.e. like the F4 phantom link i gave you

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[edit on 22-8-2009 by Conan The Usurper]

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
to make a long story short, because quite honestly i'm tired of debunking naivety, i'll give you an example which i'm familiar with. In one of Von Daniken book, (one of the biggest crook there is) he claims this picture represents an astronaut in ancient time...blah blah blah blah

No, citing a photo published 40 years ago by Erich von Däniken is not evidence that ALL UFO photos are either fakes or misidentifications, as you claim. Your von Däniken reference has nothing to do with UFO photos — it's about Erich von Däniken's fantasies, which were debunked decades ago.

To make a long story short, you can't provide any evidence to support your claim that ALL UFO photos are either fakes or misidentifications. I'd wager that you probably can't debunk even one alleged UFO photo.

— Doc Velocity

3rd pictures

there you go.

Has anyone noticed how the pictures of UFO's have become more advanced over the years? In the 50's UFO's looked more like the Nazi UFO creations that tried to conquer anti-gravity (known to exist) of that day and contained similar shapes. By the 90's UFO's became quite exotic looking. Are we suppose to believe that designs are running right along with Earth? If the capability existed to travel to earth from another solar system the advance in engineering would be incredible and look nothing like what we have today.

What about the book "The grand chessboard" by Zbigniew Brzezinski former United States National Security Advisor who stated (in 1997 )long before the war on terrorism that it would be used as a means to continue a reason for weapons production after the cold war was over. He also said that the next war would be on UFO's after terrorism was no longer a valid reason.

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I think the topic writer is going to make alot of enemies saying that in the ufo forum.
Not a great idea.

Originally posted by Chovy
I think the topic writer is going to make a lot of enemies saying that in the ufo forum.
Not a great idea.

People hate the truth, they don't want the Govt to tell them. What would happen if the Govt admitted and then showed spacecrafts, aliens and had them march out on the white house lawn. Sure, this place would be very busy for a month but would then die out because of nothing to talk about. It's not going to happen until they are ready to fool you into submission. Believe me when I say this, they won't say anything without a reason.

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Except you haven't shown any evidence that the UFOs we're seeing are not extra-terrestrials.

Your whole thread is focusing on the fact that aliens aren't visiting our planet, and you haven't shown one iota of evidence yet.

All you keep saying is "You people haven't seen anything, and I'm right."

Real truth...

I think it is extremely ambiguous to make claims without properly investigating the MANY cases in ufology. Take a look at the 90 or so cases in the following ATS UFO directory, go through everyone of those and THEN maybe if you can come with some near indisputable evidence that ALL of those cases were hoaxes or prosaic you might have a more solid footing to claim "no one has ever seen an extraterrestrial object". But those are only some case, there are about 2000 more TOP cases yet to be covered here on ATS, not to mention the countless other rumoured UFO/Alien related incidents from credible sources. Are all UFOs alien? Absolutely not....Are some? It seems very likely so.

The ATS UFO/Alien Chronological Thread Directory

Originally posted by aceace
The powers that be at the time wanted to write history in the way they wanted it to be told. ET could be nothing more than a previous civilization that went through an ice age. They may still exist on earth.

I don't agree with much of what you say in this thread but this is absolutely true.. they are still here. But there are others from afar as well.

Here's an interesting video showing a UFO at Nellis in 1994. It was reportedly sold for a lot of money.

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper

Originally posted by WitnessFromAfar

I agree that what pertains to new theories is open for debates for many years before it is settled.

But you can't extend that mindset to this particular mystery eh? The existence of other planets and stars, and basically ALL of the requirements for intelligent life to evolve + billions of years (longer than Earth has even been around) for that intelligent life to develop star travel... All of that science just can't make it's way into this argument somehow?

Scientist call that supporting evidence for a theory, the fact that there is an entire infrastructure for life out there called the universe MATTERS HEAVILY when weighing the case for extra-terrestrial life, and the possibility of visitation. It's that simple. If there were NO planets, NO stars, and only one Sun in all of reality, I might be more inclined towards your position, that ET Visitation on Earth is unlikely, perhaps impossible. However my friend, ALL of mainstream astrophysics argues against you on this point, so forgive me if I side with the data...

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
But as far as "aliens" are concerned, there is no scientific debate about them.
Therefore, there is no scientific evidence debated or not about aliens.

Stephen Hawking, Michio Kaku, J. Allen Hynek, heck, even Jim Oberg would strongly disagree with you. In fact, I'm having a scientific debate with Jim Oberg about Aliens right now in another thread on this very board!

But I guess that conversation just doesn't exist, thanks for clarifying that for me LOL.

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
And about your link, i've checked your L.A. battle. Nothing extraordinary there. All i see are lights bouncing off a cloud and the night sky being shelled off with AA fires. If you remove all the stories and hear say and just look at the video, what's so intriguing about it ?

I'll just let the Science speak for itself here:

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
If that is the kind of evidence you have to offer, i prefer not to watch the others.
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Suit yourself, you don't have to look at the evidence if you don't want to. Heck using your brain is a choice only you can make

But you really shouldn't expect others to accept such laziness in their own researching. And frankly, you really should stop declaring that things don't exist, if you're not willing to do the research in the first place.

Making a determination without testing your theory against the available evidence is not only lazy, it's directly un-scientific.

-WFA

Originally posted by Conan The UsurperAlien believers are like religious fanatics, they want to believe.

Bull.

I think you will find nobody here has seen "God".

They have, however, seen unexplained things flying around in the sky.

Faith? No. Sorry