None of you have ever seen an extraterrestrial object.

The moon and stars don't count, but lets be honest. With the reports worldwide and with an incredibly large percentage of the population now carrying cell-phones with cameras. There has yet to be one single definitive UFO caught on video. In the 80's Zbigneiw Brzezenski former National Security Advisor under Carter wrote a book stating that after the terrorists threat became a useless tool the next threat would be from space. Just as Reagan said in a speech to the UN. I have become sure without doubt that the entire Alien threat is the next tool to be used to try an unite Earth to enslave those that live in a world of fear. While some travel around preaching this threat they have books and videos to sell and of course if you go and listen to them there will be a nice little fee to pay.

I have no doubt that NASA is a tool to do the minor space work while the real advancement in technology is being developed in the backrooms and kept a complete secret. What really goes on at the space station? Do any of you ever see any benefits from this multi-billion dollar behemoth? With the now hundreds of Astronauts both foreign and US that have left Earths atmosphere why nothing real? Why has something not leaked? Like a picture, a verified picture of an Alien craft. Russian cosmonauts make very little money compared to American Astronauts. Why live a broke life when a picture or set of pictures could be worth a $100,000+?

I personally believe that this entire Alien scenario is nothing but a game played by the very rich. Anybody got any answers?


[edit on 16-8-2009 by aceace]

Mind telling me what the Phoenix lights were then since you seem to have all the answers?

I saw them travel completely over the Phoenix valley.

I'll be waiting.

I assume you can provide proof as well correct?

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Flares, these objects hovered over a nearby mountain and disappeared as they dropped below the horizon. Which made them look as though they were disappearing from thin air. If this was a huge spaceship then why no good video or photography? A story on the History Channel(?) showed how this was easily done. Including the lights disappearing.

Originally posted by aceace
reply to post by TheAftermath

 

Flares, these objects hovered over a nearby mountain and disappeared as they dropped below the horizon. Which made them look as though they were disappearing from thin air. If this was a huge spaceship then why no good video or photography? A story on the History Channel(?) showed how this was easily done. Including the lights disappearing.

EVEN THE govern said that they saw and it wasnt flares ... well ... what about now?

Hovered over a mountain? Really? Flares? Your source? Wait, let me guess, the AF?

try researching the subject first before trolling here.

Mind explaining the physics of how flares would travel laterally across the entire metropolitan area while maintaining elevation?

or better yet, why the AF would drop flares over densely populated areas?

[edit on 16-8-2009 by TheAftermath]

I spent 15 seconds finding this on ATS search.

Phoenix Lights FINALLY declassified and revealed by Astrophysicist, James R. Barzten

Check out the following quote on www.mythsinspacescience.com

"Dr. James R. Barzten III conducted an interview with the UFO Hunters at the Challenger Space Center in Phoenix, Arizona. The host of the UFO Hunters, featured on the History Channel, was astonished with Dr. Bartzen's inside knowledge of the Phoenix Lights of 1997.

When asked of his theory regarding the Phoenix Lights, Dr. Bartzen responded, "I retain no theories pertaining to the massive sightings over Phoenix, I possess only the facts and empirical evidence of scientific knowledge referred to as the Phoenix Lights. Some of the kids at the mission control that launched the vehicle 48 minutes before the sighting are personal friends of mine."

The fractional orbit scientific systems, (FOSS), dispatched six research vehicles over Utah, where they were first observed. The research vehicles continued traversing South, where they were observed in Prescott, Arizona and the Verde Valley, all the way down to Mexico. Dr. Barzten observed the vehicles from Sedona, Arizona, as they traversed over Mingus Mountain. Dr. Bartzen conducted several prescribed experiments in conjunction with the probes researching the effects of the Great Mexican Fire on the Ozone layer. The data obtained was invaluable to the scientific community regarding the effects of Global Warming. The episode of UFO Hunters featuring Dr. Barzten will be aired in October 2008."

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Thats your evidence?
Thats it?

I sincerely hope you are not an attorney.

Originally posted by aceace
There has yet to be one single definitive UFO caught on video.[edit on 16-8-2009 by aceace]

Let's be honest. A photo or video is never going to be definitive.

By the way, have you ever tried taking photos of the night sky? I have, and my digital camera won't even take them. It won't focus so it won't take them. A lot of good a camera like that will do me when I really need it. I wonder how many cameras are useless even when people actually have them?

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You do have a point, because I too think that this issue has the potential to become the next "war on terrorism." But that would just be another lie, see.

And the great preponderance of evidence is in the direction of a truth that includes living beings (just like us) from other places. It is really a preponderance of evidence. And there are even people who have given public interviews who have said that they have personally worked with ETs or their gear.

I have experience with how hard it is to get a good photo of something that happens suddenly. How many murders or fatal accidents are recorded on cell phone cameras? But does that prove that people never get killed? Of course it doesn't. So I think you should re-think this one. There is too much evidence from too many different sources. I am convinced it is part of our real environment. Of course those who seek to manipulate us will use this issue just like they use so many others. That is just something we will have to deal with.


[edit on 16-8-2009 by l_e_cox]

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its very real, check out this guy's blogs

www.myspace.com/abstractopinions

theres one about the second awakening and he mentions Aliens or UFos

Originally posted by aceace
reply to post by TheAftermath

 

Flares, these objects hovered over a nearby mountain and disappeared as they dropped below the horizon. Which made them look as though they were disappearing from thin air. If this was a huge spaceship then why no good video or photography? A story on the History Channel(?) showed how this was easily done. Including the lights disappearing.

If you're referring to the episode of UFO Hunters where they tested the flares, you're wrong. The Phoenix Lights witnesses said they looked nothing like what they originally saw.

And you really shouldn't say nobody has seen an E.T. craft as an absolute fact without backing that up with anything other than your OPINION.

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secret spaceships for global warming????
you almost had me.

edit: I've seen a couple ufo's and me and my buddy had one descend on use while driving through some backroads at night, is all. The fact is that even with cell phones, there's a way to debunk anything.


[edit on 16-8-2009 by heyo]

Originally posted by aceace
Anybody got any answers?


[edit on 16-8-2009 by aceace]

I have...

Perhaps you just want to collect a lot of points by using that provocative thread title to start another "battle-thread".



[edit on 16-8-2009 by Sam60]

This thread is nothing but an attempt at a close-minded opinion based on nothing more then the OP's collective understanding of "history channel" documentaries.

I wouldn't take his thoughts on anything too seriously.

Not that I am saying he is wrong in his conclusion. But if he is right, its surly by the random chance of picking a side based on what a TV told him.

Not research, experience, insight or consideration.

In fact...I see the thread as nothing more then a bashing attempt on people who trust in a phenomena that has been documented for years.

Its sad to see his limited understanding of that documentation comes from his TV.

Where's the smoking gun? I have yet to see one shred of evidence of Aliens of any sort. I have seen a lot of people making money off of foolish people. How do any of you know that what you saw was extraterrestrial? Everything in this thread could be credited with black ops projects.

what part didnt u understand ? the own govern from arizona said that they dont know what the heck was that ... he said in publicly ... try to find this on google

well, if he doesnt know .. well, I am not saying it is alien, but it is something strange

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What Mr.Mask said:
But if he is right, its surly by the random chance of picking a side based on what a TV told him.

aceace14 says: I have studied this phenomenon for 12 years now. I have yet to see any evidence that could make me say, yes, this is real. I have never based any theory of mine from a TV. I do believe the simple explanation is the most likely. (occam's razor)

Let's be honest, if the magic ship went right over Phoenix at 9 or 10PM and there are several TV stations that have very good night camaras. Why wasn't this filmed zoomed in where at least an outline would show.

[edit on 16-8-2009 by aceace]

Bro, I just read this post recentlly that we can send messages to these aliens, check this out: HelloFromEarth.net.

My personal point of view is, The devil will manipulate many into thinking that the alien exist, and one day they will use this tool to really put an awe in human sight and rule the earth.

Somewhere in the bible, Goliath was one of decendant of the marriage between the devil and woman. In arabic culture, they are called Djin.
All master of self defense (in Indonesia) in their highest status, admits that they had learned the invincible (ulitmate) strokes, directlly from these creature. that one day will reveal them self as aliens, but they are trully Demons .

The bridge to this reality is unfolding right now. Hulu.com, people can tolerate UFO and aliens, but they cannot except ghost form. They will believe what they can see and feel.

Regards,

Tengkorak

Originally posted by aceace
Where's the smoking gun? I have yet to see one shred of evidence of Aliens of any sort. I have seen a lot of people making money off of foolish people. How do any of you know that what you saw was extraterrestrial? Everything in this thread could be credited with black ops projects.

Oh come on, aceace.....

There have been a million threads like this.

What's the point of another one.

Like I said, I reckon you just want to collect points by using a provocative title to start another "battle thread".

I need a couple of aspirin just thinking about it.

The Phoenix Lights mystery has been, in my opinion, distorted with the retelling. From what I understand, there were multiple sightings that day/evening. What was shown on the news, the arc of lights, was most probably flares. However, there were also reports from Flagstaff, Phoenix and Tucson about a flying "V" shaped craft that same day. In other words, people are conflicting the multiple events that happened that day with the much reported video of the flares on the news.

Make sense?

I was confused, too, until I started researching and listening to the different witness reports. Separate events, same day.