I believe religion is souring this entire site, it should be banned

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


It's simple. We were all born sinners none of us will ever be perfect. Many think since they sin they will go to Hell. That is not true.

Many say Religion is controlling and yes, at times it is. As a Christian I very much dislike the word religion. No one controls me. It is a one on one that counts. Not being a Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, etc.

Not even sitting in Church. Many use it only as a social scene and dress in their nicest clothes. That doesnt make you a God believing person, Christian, ect.

We can chose to believe or not. Somewhere in the bible it states that all men will know. It is instilled in their mind and spirit. I think this is why so many seek the truth.

We all know in our hearts what is right. We must be careful though some sins are worse than others Bashing God publically is one of them. Maybe many do not know that.

Sorry for typo's someone just killed the lights.

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by contemplator


For him to publicly state I am going to hell completely destroys his credibility on ATS. he will stay well away.

If you falsely accuse me one more time, I will report your repeated offenses to the mods. It is unacceptable to accuse me of doing something I have not done. I have not said what you have now accused me of twice.

Nice evasion tactic. well played. well played.

reply to post by PowerSlave


I was surprised to see this in the Business section, rather than conspiracy.

Originally posted by contemplator

Nice evasion tactic. well played. well played.

*golf clap*

Now, answer my question. I'll be glad to discuss whatever it is that's bothering you. I know I won't have answers, but I'll be glad to listen. Are you afraid to answer the question?

[edit on 5-29-2009 by Valhall]

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by contemplator

Nice evasion tactic. well played. well played.

*golf clap*

Now, answer my question. I'll be glad to discuss whatever it is that's bothering you. I know I won't have answers, but I'll be glad to listen. Are you afraid to answer the question?

[edit on 5-29-2009 by Valhall]

please re-ask the question I thought I already answered it.

Originally posted by contemplator


please re-ask the question I thought I already answered it.

No, you haven't. What is hell?

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by contemplator


please re-ask the question I thought I already answered it.

No, you haven't. What is hell?

This sums it up best:

Hell is a place where the souls of the wicked are punished eternally for all the sins they perpetrated during their lifetime on Earth. Since all have sinned (Rom 3:23), Hell can not be avoided on one's own merits, but through the love gift of Jesus one can know, love, and serve God and share eternity with Him in Heaven.

reply to post by Totakeke


well that all depends on your definition of or understanding of god ?

many people have many gods many people have no gods

is it not the point you are able to ask why you have both?

interesting to me

reply to post by contemplator


When you said "For him to publicly state I am going to hell completely destroys his credibility on ATS. he will stay well away" Was that addressed to me or Valhall or someone else.?

reply to post by wonderworld


lol i understand what you mean

but for me its not about "god" as you say. or even "nothingness" ie evolution

its more about the function of the very thing life is and what it is here for

If you look around the planet and i will ask you this

Does a tree go to hell? but yet its alive? right?

you can understand i do not understand the logic of this

Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by contemplator

 

When you said "For him to publicly state I am going to hell completely destroys his credibility on ATS. he will stay well away" Was that addressed to me or Valhall or someone else.?

valhall and the other christians here.. see to admit someone is going to hell for choosing not to believe in a god is no different to believing hitler was right, or the nwo is good or it is acceptable for any sick and twisted organisation to force people into obeying or face torture. Not only torture but torture for eternity. guys like valhall can in one breath condemn abu gahrib and in the next breath believe their god is going to torture me forever if i do not obey. It's insanity.

Originally posted by contemplator


This sums it up best:

Hell is a place where the souls of the wicked are punished eternally for all the sins they perpetrated during their lifetime on Earth. Since all have sinned (Rom 3:23), Hell can not be avoided on one's own merits, but through the love gift of Jesus one can know, love, and serve God and share eternity with Him in Heaven.

Well, first of all, you stuck Romans 3:23 in there and tried to tie it to everything else you just stated when, in fact, all it states is that we have "all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". So I'm not sure why you misapplied that scriptural statement in your answer of what hell is. And while the interpretation of the context of that verse does point toward the unmeritorious grace of God (i.e. unaffected by your own actions) through the saving grace of the sacrifice of Jesus (i.e. but based on your exercise of your free moral agency to believe in the salvation Christ afforded you), I don't see where it states, or can even be interpreted to state, you'll be punished eternally.

BUT, again, I have to ask you for clarification. What do you mean by "punished eternally"? What does that mean?

Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by contemplator

 

When you said "For him to publicly state I am going to hell completely destroys his credibility on ATS. he will stay well away" Was that addressed to me or Valhall or someone else.?

Well, I would hope it was to neither you nor me, considering neither of us said that. That's been my contention with him for a few posts now.

valhall and the other christians here.. see to admit someone is going to hell for choosing not to believe in a god is no different to believing hitler was right, or the nwo is good or it is acceptable for any sick and twisted organisation to force people into obeying or face torture. Not only torture but torture for eternity. guys like valhall can in one breath condemn abu gahrib and in the next breath believe their god is going to torture me forever if i do not obey. It's insanity.

God doesn't torture. God doesn't want people to go to Hell; they choose to do so by rejecting Him. God isn't forcing people to obey Him (which is why they go to Hell), He can't do that.

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by contemplator


This sums it up best:

Hell is a place where the souls of the wicked are punished eternally for all the sins they perpetrated during their lifetime on Earth. Since all have sinned (Rom 3:23), Hell can not be avoided on one's own merits, but through the love gift of Jesus one can know, love, and serve God and share eternity with Him in Heaven.

Well, first of all, you stuck Romans 3:23 in there and tried to tie it to everything else you just stated when, in fact, all it states is that we have "all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". So I'm not sure why you misapplied that scriptural statement in your answer of what hell is. And while the interpretation of the context of that verse does point toward the unmeritorious grace of God (i.e. unaffected by your own actions) through the saving grace of the sacrifice of Jesus (i.e. but based on your exercise of your free moral agency to believe in the salvation Christ afforded you), I don't see where it states, or can even be interpreted to state, you'll be punished eternally.

BUT, again, I have to ask you for clarification. What do you mean by "punished eternally"? What does that mean?

Matthew 13:42: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Matt 25:41: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."

Mark 9:43-48: And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched."

Luke 16:24: "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."

Revelation 20:13-15: "...hell delivered up the dead which were in them...And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Revelation 21:8: "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." Brimstone is sulphur. In order for sulphur to form a lake, it must be molten. Thus, its temperature must be at or below 444.6 °C or 832 °F.

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


Yes I love this subject too. I took lots of chemistry, Anatomy and Biology courses in college.

The most fascinating part about life form is that you, me and the tree outside all have identical elements and molecules but neatly arranged to form the complexity of life.

At the end of each course I learned that all my professors agreed with me that if there is a creation there is a creator. I took it upon myself to ask them in private because life fascinated me.

They were teaching me life but not where it came from. We also learned evolution but we all call that mutation. Very interesting.

Edit grammer

[edit on 29-5-2009 by wonderworld]

reply to post by contemplator


Is that your interpretation of what hell is? Just checking. Because you seem to be hesitant to state what your opinion is. Is your opinion hell is (if you chose to believe it existed, of course) is that of the verses you just quoted?

Originally posted by Totakeke

valhall and the other christians here.. see to admit someone is going to hell for choosing not to believe in a god is no different to believing hitler was right, or the nwo is good or it is acceptable for any sick and twisted organisation to force people into obeying or face torture. Not only torture but torture for eternity. guys like valhall can in one breath condemn abu gahrib and in the next breath believe their god is going to torture me forever if i do not obey. It's insanity.

God doesn't torture. God doesn't want people to go to Hell; they choose to do so by rejecting Him. God isn't forcing people to obey Him (which is why they go to Hell), He can't do that.

Poor god, I guess he will weep when I go into the lake of fire. All I had to do was call him my master... it didn't have to be that way. Poor god.

Originally posted by Valhall
reply to post by contemplator

 

Is that your interpretation of what hell is?

It does not matter what I think hell is, for one I do not believe in hell. I find it amusing that someone believes because I rebelled and did not call jesus my master I will have an eternity of burning in molten flame. No wonder so many way back when took up christianity, pretty good incentives.. what a con. I see no reason for us to keep discussing this point. In your world I am going to hell, but you want to say since I do not believe in hell then I'm not.. whatever.

Originally posted by contemplator

Originally posted by Totakeke

valhall and the other christians here.. see to admit someone is going to hell for choosing not to believe in a god is no different to believing hitler was right, or the nwo is good or it is acceptable for any sick and twisted organisation to force people into obeying or face torture. Not only torture but torture for eternity. guys like valhall can in one breath condemn abu gahrib and in the next breath believe their god is going to torture me forever if i do not obey. It's insanity.

God doesn't torture. God doesn't want people to go to Hell; they choose to do so by rejecting Him. God isn't forcing people to obey Him (which is why they go to Hell), He can't do that.

Poor god, I guess he will weep when I go into the lake of fire. All I had to do was call him my master... it didn't have to be that way. Poor god.

This is the third time I have to put you on notice. You have now chosen to perpetuate your false claims against me by quoting another member that has taken your false statements against me and quoted them.

Stop it.

And I'm serious. If you can't have discussion without resorting to these dishonest tactics, I'll get some involved that can explain the error of your ways. And God ain't involved in this part of the discussion right now, ok?