I believe religion is souring this entire site, it should be banned

reply to post by The All Seeing I

What? You think mods should be doing something?
I post on here because they do not get involved.
The religious forum I used to write on would have 200 people on it at a time and there was some lively debate. Then the mods would come in and remove people's post because they thought the argument was getting hot. Then they would just lock a thread if it was controversial.
Now they are doing good to have 35 people on it at one time.
Your Jesus-freaks know how to act and do not need to be moderated because they all love each other more than you know.
As for derailing your thread, it would have gone down with no replies if it was not for Jesus-freaks.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by jmdewey60]

Originally posted by jmdewey60
As for derailing your thread, it would have gone down with no replies if it was not for Jesus-freaks.

You have it flipped around, the reason no one bothers to stick around is because the jesus-freaks scare them away with their half-baked nutty posts.

Originally posted by The All Seeing I

Originally posted by jmdewey60
As for derailing your thread, it would have gone down with no replies if it was not for Jesus-freaks.

You have it flipped around, the reason no one bothers to stick around is because the jesus-freaks scare them away with their half-baked nutty posts.

Probably not a good idea to post such a claim on the 13th page of a thread.

reply to post by The All Seeing I

You have it flipped around, the reason no one bothers to stick around is because the jesus-freaks scare them away with their half-baked nutty posts.

I make a point of staying out of threads that are not directly related to Christianity, just to allow other people to write whatever they want, unharrased.



[edit on 6-6-2009 by jmdewey60]

Originally posted by badmedia
Probably not a good idea to post such a claim on the 13th page of a thread.

Thank you for pointing out how prevalent the problem is, which gets right back to the point of the OP... which most have missed by means of having a knee-jerk reaction. A common symptom of the religious, they see the world in black and white.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by The All Seeing I]

what do you think about trying to convince religion that ancient knowledge of electricity was guised in human stories which had truth, and still expressed a positive message in the end. Shakespear has terrible things in his stories, just because a religion forms around a text. Doesn't give said group right over the minority or majority. It in assumption of a hypocritical denial, takes said power to that level as a tactic to maintain such position. Same with any force in the universe. To overcome this, all must recognise the truth inside that they are maliable and fallable to this worlds and spaces' affects. And let the electron flow from heaven guide you. The scary thing is that the bible seems to be a self fullfilling paradox. Because ive observed a mobius style of thinking as well as many others in fact, that humankind keeps waxing and waning the similar collective thought form which holds us back in entropy. A needless ancor on our backs. We could have the coolest laid back or active societies working together in a respect of invention and the mind, not some fallback throwbacks in caveman style-law of jungle perversions of mind manipulations..its a product of nature in the end, as the oppositions are the same, they in war, negate in logic and reason, the very beginning of why they are fighting.



[edit on 6-6-2009 by mastermind77]

Originally posted by The All Seeing I

Originally posted by badmedia
Probably not a good idea to post such a claim on the 13th page of a thread.

Thank you for pointing out how prevalent the problem is, which gets right back to the point of the OP... which most have missed by means of having a knee-jerk reaction. A common symptom of the religious, they see the world in black and white.

Sorry, I don't see things in terms of groups, stereotypes and labels. A common symptom? That you would even suggest it's a symptom of religion is ridiculous. There are plenty of non-religious people who see things in terms of black and white, and plenty of religious people who don't see things in black and white.

And it's right back to what I pointed out to you in the other thread. It's not a problem of it people are religious or not, it's a problem of if people are seeing in terms of black and white or not. See how that works? You aren't falsely accusing some people, you aren't falsely attributing good things to others. You are addressing the cause of the problem and where it applies.

When you address and see things only in terms of groups like this, you are applying the same basic way and level of thinking that a racist uses.

Yes, I know all about generalizations and you saying some are the exception and so forth as you did before. Which might be valid if you were addressing common beliefs or whatever. But all you did here was group and label with an action.

If you aren't addressing people, then you aren't debating or discussing anything with anyone, you are just addressing your own assumptions of the group. It's getting old and tired. I can't even say the word Jesus without having everything Christian thrown on me, and I'm not even a Christian. Why? Because it's alot easier to just throw in the actions of others when in a bind.

wow this has turned into a hate fest

The point of the topic was not about religion as such but more about ATS deals with it.

Every subject gets heated and yes sometimes the mods have to step in and sort out some posts that are against T+C

If you do not like it i am sure there are plenty more sites.. but in all honesty


This is the best "my opinion"

Great people with great things to say and mods who do the job "hard i know" but still do it for the love of all of us

So yea sometimes things will get removed and things will get heated but we are all here to share our own perspective on life

as it was and so shall it be

"thought i would be a bit biblical" :thumbsup:

[edit on 6-6-2009 by symmetricAvenger]

I agree that generally religious discussions should be limited to the two places ATS has for them in ATS & BTS.

However I have been constantly amazed by ATS posts from atheists, that have a correct understanding from a biblical standpoint, because they observe world events and come to an intelligent and correct assessment of the situation, even though they have no belief in the bible.

It is very hard for me to say nothing, when this occurs at times.
Is saying you are correct, and here is why, so bad?

reply to post by badmedia


You really don't have a clue what the OP of this thread is about do you? I don't see any evidence on your part in understanding the problem here. You can't talk about gray matter in a room full of people who see everything in terms of black/devil/demon or white/god/angel. Those who are the exception to the rule are those who subscribe to a watered down version of their chosen religion... so their is more room to think for one self versus always quoting and paraphrasing from a rule-book... or i should more accurately put it... The Rule Book.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by The All Seeing I]

Originally posted by The All Seeing I
reply to post by badmedia

 

You really don't have a clue what the OP of this thread is about do you? I don't see any evidence on your part in understanding the problem here. You can't talk about gray matter in a room full of people who see everything in terms of black/devil/demon or white/god/angel. Those who are the exception to the rule are those who subscribe to a watered down version of their chosen religion... so their is more room to think for one self versus always quoting and paraphrasing from a rule-book... or i should more accurately put it... The Rule Book.

Fine, then make a thread that is towards people only see in black and white, rather than trying to label any religious person as such. If it was just a matter of it being people who see in black and white and such, then that is what the topic would have been. You even go so far as to assume that anyone who doesn't fit that stereotype belongs to some "watered down version".

The hypocrisy makes me sick.

Originally posted by badmedia
Fine, then make a thread that is towards people only see in black and white, rather than trying to label any religious person as such. If it was just a matter of it being people who see in black and white and such, then that is what the topic would have been. You even go so far as to assume that anyone who doesn't fit that stereotype belongs to some "watered down version".

Is it really necessary to hold everyones hand when exposing them to the ugly truths of the world? Isn't it safe to say that we are all adults here? For those who nitpick over some imagined rule that you must mention every single exception of every single situation and circumstance... your busy body would go to better use else where... like knitting, flying a kite or building a house. To fuss in here over the obvious exceptions only distracts and derails from the main objective at hand.

Originally posted by The All Seeing I
Is it really necessary to hold everyones hand when exposing them to the ugly truths of the world? Isn't it safe to say that we are all adults here? For those who nitpick over some imagined rule that you must mention every single exception of every single situation and circumstance...

Of course, if you just focused on the actions themselves as being bad, rather than trying to group people up based on the actions of a some people, you wouldn't need those exceptions.

Those exceptions should tip you off that you are generalizing things rather than addressing the real issue. Organized religion is merely a symptom, not the cause.

It seems to me, if we are all adults here then we should be able to move beyond such low levels of thinking and address the real issues. People attacking others because they have different beliefs is nothing new, and you are no different. Actually getting down to the root of the problem and addressing the actions for once in this world, now that would be new.

your busy body would go to better use else where... like knitting, flying a kite or building a house. To fuss in here over the obvious exceptions only distracts and derails from the main objective at hand.

Actually you will probably get your wish. I am about 99% of the way from leaving this site completely. This site's motto is about denying ignorance, but all I see lately is the promotion of ignorance as being not ignorant. Such as this thread and many others. Based purely on ignorance, bias and hate for people who believe differently.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by badmedia]

Originally posted by badmedia
This site's motto is about denying ignorance, but all I see lately is the promotion of ignorance as being not ignorant. Such as this thread and many others. Based purely on ignorance, bias and hate for people who believe differently.

Did you ever consider why it appears this way to you? Could it be that you yourself have it all twisted around? From what i have gathered that's exactly what it looks like. In almost every post you go out of your way to make everything look as if the thread has a prejudice agenda.

If you are so determined to look at religion as a symptom/product of the human condition, that's more then fine for it is actually true, but i would recommend seeking out threads that discuss the origins of religion. All your attempts in trying to make threads that are focused on religion's influence on society's values are guaranteed to be frustrating not only for you but also for those who have to deal with your misfit approach in perspective.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by The All Seeing I]

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I care very little about peoples individual beliefs. What I care about is the level of thinking people apply when coming to their beliefs and the level of thinking used for decisions.

The problem with religion is people accept what they are told, but do not understand. And despite the fact that the bible highlights and says this, those who accept still don't get it. In fact, Jesus deals with the same kind of people this thread mentions the entire time.

What makes a pharisee for example? The title? Or is it the function. If you look instead of at the title but the actions involved, then you can see understanding and identify modern day pharisees. If you sit around looking at titles waiting for someone to call themselves a pharisee, then you'll never see them.

The problems are apparent in not only religion, but politics and all means of gaining power and control over others. It is the status quo. Those in "power" could really care less what people believe or whatever. Just so long as they don't understand and look at peoples actions.

Proof of this should be the fact that it's the same among all religions, and also still there even without religion.

reply to post by badmedia


Now... you totally lost me, i don't know what the hell you are talking about

...but that matters little, for you are obviously intelligent and care enough to persist... and for that i can not knock you. Matter of fact, i owe you a kudos for inspiring a new thread... The Evolution of Belief which i think your efforts on this thread and Most Violent Religion speak to... more expansive and encompassing as you had wished.

I hope you will give it a thorough review and i'm sure you will give me a proper whipping if i am out of line. Salute and cheers fellow info-warrior

[edit on 8-6-2009 by The All Seeing I]