I believe religion is souring this entire site, it should be banned

Maybe I ended on a wrong note. People still think I am calling for various bans. I'm not, I'm saying keep the religion out of the general forums. Do people scream "Ban" or "censorship" if someone is asked not to post "Latest Apple iMac News" threads in the UFO forum? That is mainly what I'm getting at.. religion/atheism is off topic basically because there is a hidden agenda behind it. Anyway..

reply to post by contemplator

I'm just glad that there is a category for religious conspiracies and another on BTS for religious topics, because that really helps filter out the subjects I normally don't care to read. If you're drawn to the religious debates it's because you are interested in it. Otherwise you would just skip it.

reply to post by contemplator



There are even evangelical moderators??!!! God help us! That's as bad as another group with the same beliefs that aren't the same as yours having a representative that moderates ats!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh!!

There's a party, bud, and you're not invited! Didn't you know that not everyone has a place at the table? Could that be why nothing of it makes sense to you, and why you despise it? The understandings of such things are obviously beyond you, so, in order to justify your lack of ability, you attack other people. The attack game..it's like clockwork.

Sorry! We're not goin' anywhere man! Now, where did i put my pedestal??

reply to post by heyo


haha

hey Yo heyo

sorry made me chuckle

People want to sit on here all day long and complain and conspire about the government stealing their freedoms, taking their guns, money and so on.
Then you have threads like this.

If ATS does away with religion it should do away with it all together no discussion about the theories, lies of the bibles/religions, atheist's , creation , flaming threads about religions and so on.

People want to moan and cry about their rights, but yet want to take the rights of other humans away.

People need to take their noses out of other beliefs and worry about themselves.
If you see a post about religion that isn't blatantly asking for a debate or your opinion then don't reply.
It's that simple, don't involve yourself with the topic and then you do not need to worry or concern yourself with it or be oh so bothered by it.

I am not a believer either
I just think that no matter what a persons belief system is as long as they are not forcing their opinions on you and telling you what to believe that everyone should co exist together.
We are not a play ground of boys and girls in grade school where there is a line of separation down the middle.
There is no chance of cooties.
We are adults, and need to start acting like it instead of bantering bickering screaming tantrum throwing little babies.
This battle, this debate, this topic is not even a dead horse any longer it is a gang green rotting maggot infested slop of bones and dead tissue.

Sure some of it is redundant, some of it is extreme/irrational but so are a lot of other things on here.

And sorry but to think that saying "I am about to leave if this this and this" keeps going on, or doesn't change, what kind of mentality is that?
Give the Mods and Owners a little more credit instead of making demands.

If you choose to leave over such narrow minded and childish reasons then nothing of value was lost.

Don't be so self righteous that you think your membership really means anything because for everyone one person who leaves on such bs reason about five more people with insight and intelligence will join.

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


yeah i think you got my point!
i was kinda chuckling as i wrote it.

hope i didn't offend anyone's sensibilities!
Jesus loves you! Unless you don't believe in him! Then he lets loose the dogs, that have bees inside of them and when they open their mouths they shoot out bees that attack you in a swarm made of bees!
........what haven't the simpsons done!

btw is "the result" an old moniker?




[edit on 29-5-2009 by heyo]

reply to post by heyo


yes the old friend but not the same

if that makes any sens ? long story

hehe

reply to post by contemplator


was that post directed at me?

just want to understand

I do not know what hell is its not in my logic to do so sorry

If it was then we "me and you" are in it

Well religion is a really hot topic so of course theres going to be alot of it on here. If you dont like the post just ignore it. If you dont like the threads, dont read 'em.

I mean its bothering me a little bit too but I could never leave this site over it. I friggin love this site. Its my second home.

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


hehe yeah that was to you. I used to dig your style. I've suspected from a couple of your posts. anyways, back to the silliness.

reply to post by contemplator


You have much to learn about ATS, one thing that makes it such a great site is that it has so many areas that you can focus on, a couple sub-forums are religiously inclined but all the others aren't. I don't visit some parts of ATS or BTS because they don't interest me. Basically if I don't like those topics I just stay away form them all together. Don't read them and certainly don't post to them.

In my opinion ATS is the greatest site for freedom of speech, the MODS give you tremendous leeway here.

Banning religious topics, is censorship, and if it ever happened it would considerably reduce my posts and visits to ATS.

So I disagree 100%.

I recommend you stay away from the sub-forums that discuss it, if you dislike them so much.

I don't think its necessarily religion that is ruining the site but that of arrogant assumption of opinion. It is an awsome site. But hey some people deserve to be arrogant.

Seems to me the general problem is when people aren't respectful towards other peoples beliefs and opinions. They wish to put down and keep anyone who goes against their beliefs from speaking. We can see religion after religion doing this throughout history.

But how are you different? Same stuff, different beliefs. Same collectivism and seeing people in terms of groups rather than individuals and so on.

reply to post by Valhall
Well said. Different people have different needs - we are not all the same. I enjoy coming to this site because it offers me an escape from what I do, and what makes it especially unique are the variety of topics that are offered. I certainly don't agree with everybody's viewpoints and opinions in some of the threads I visit, but that won't stop me from coming back. I've just decided to make it a personal mission of mine to use mind control and eventually have everybody thinking the same way I do about things. Just kidding.

There are people who are looking for answers to problems and questions in their lives who may never have set foot in a church - and maybe never will. There is a very good possibility that they will find their answers here in a thread somewhere. Anything positive that can be given away free to help another human being is a good thing. There is enough negativity in the world today. It's time we brought some of the positive things back.

reply to post by contemplator
I notice that you also visited the "I don't know what to believe" thread. I suppose if you have that much anger inside you regarding the things of God then you should step away from this topic. Either you really are searching for an answer as to why you have so much anger built up inside you or you are a glutton for punishment for putting yourself through this. I hope you find your answers.



[edit on 30-5-2009 by F15-Pilot]

I'm an atheist, but proud to say I respect the opinions and beliefs of the religious community among us.

Just because your beliefs differ doesn't mean you have to tear apart or attempt to convert the other side.

There are many real-life examples of people from juxtaposed walks of life getting along just fine and becoming the best of friends. Why not on a forum?

I know the frustration you might feel with people bringing religion into non-religion themed threads, but it happens. If it matters to them so much that it effects their opinion on another topic, than so be it. I don't see it as a problem.

Some of the Christian members on this forum are the most intelligent and well spoken members I know. Some of the Atheists are as well. Who cares?

We are all human and all have the right to say and believe what we want... especially on ATS.

[edit on 30-5-2009 by fooffstarr]

reply to post by contemplator

Just because
some of us are Christians,Atheists ,etc really doesn't mean there is some agenda. You should really show a little more respect to those of us who like myself believe and follow Jesus Christ.You will find some of the most intelligent people around on ATS who happen to be Christians,Atheists,etc. I am a Christian so when someone who obviously has not taken the time to do a little research about other belief systems balls all of us up into a wad and calls us Religious it's insulting.People should be able to say what they believe in any situation,that is who they are and they have value. When you talk about banning religion,faith,theology from like you posted the entire site you sound like Hitler. Give us a break and leave if you can't handle a little respectful difference of opinion

i havent read all the post in here but i dont think banning a topic is going to change anything. its best to let nature run its course.

You say this in your OP.

Originally posted by contemplator
I have been on forums that ban religious discussion -or relegate it strictly to one area (the best option). Religion has nothing to offer ATS whatsoever.

The title of your thread is

"I believe religion is souring this entire site, it should be banned"

And after pages of arguments you say:

Originally posted by contemplator
Maybe I ended on a wrong note. People still think I am calling for various bans. I'm not

I wonder what gave them that idea?

[edit on 4/6/09 by blupblup]

It's really a shame that most of you neglect to reflect on contemplator's valid point.

It's impossible to carry on a rational discussion or debate when you have a bunch of jesus-freaks derailing you from every imaginable angle with bible quotes and paraphrasing. It's as if they speak a whole other language... that only bible-thumpers can understand.

Contemplator, don't quit, they know no better... if the zealots want their little utopian playground... let them have it. There are greener pastures to partake in. I would recommend taking a break/vacation from these ship of fools. There are plenty of other forums to partake in where you will find people who function more with their heads then their hearts, and don't require a manual to function in life.

btw i have also noticed quite a few mods with evangelistic convictions which i have seen skews their ability to govern objectively.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by The All Seeing I]