Bush Memos Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins"

Originally posted by CreeWolf

Originally posted by Tentickles
Does it really surprise you that a overly religious man from the south, at the beck and call of his father's whim would be a religious zealot trying to rule the world?

I do agree though, absolutely evil!

Religion + Politics = Nothing Good.

So, where most countries in the Middle East routinely mix Politics AND Religion, do you think of them as "absolutely evil"? The President of Iran doesn't take a dump without consulting his religious clerics. Sharia Law, enforced in almost all Muslim countries by their Islamic Governments, is totally religious in nature.

Our country is heading more in the wrong direction each day it continues to turn its back on God. Even if God is NOT real, at the very least the concept gives people of this country SOMETHING or SOMEONE they hold themselves accountable to. Those who don't have any religion ultimately only have GOVERNMENT for guidance and positive influence.

I doubt George W. Bush was a true Christian, but at least Government didn't grow and reach into my pockets as it has under Obama's administration!

If mixing religion and politics is truly a bad thing, wouldn't you agree that these countries in the Middle East are the "evil" ones?

This whole thread seems nothing more than an attack on Christianity. Like white males and Jews, its more and more acceptable to judge more harshly than ever.

[edit on 26-5-2009 by CreeWolf]

Finally some reason in an argument full of emotion and no substance.! There is a wave of hate coming and coming from those who say they are tolerant.

Do you really believe that the former administration was mixing religion and politics ? I mean that they are religious people ?
War between christianity and islam is a very useful propaganda tool but it is totally fabricated. West is allied wtih some muslim countries and enemy with others. And alliances change every two decades.
Bush might quote the bible, I don't trust his faith.

Abu Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.



Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us:
'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me,
"George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan."
And I did, and then God would tell me,
"George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …"
And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me,
"Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security,
and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"



Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how
President Bush told him:
"I have a moral and religious obligation.
So I will get you a Palestinian state."

BBC



This thread is just plain frightening, when put into hind sight
with the actions of Cheny & Rove!

Published on Friday, October 7, 2005 by The Independent
Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq
President 'revealed reasons for war in private meeting'
by Rupert Cornwell

President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

George Bush believes he is on a mission from God, according to the politician Nabil Shaath. Photograph: Charles Dharapak/AP

The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.

The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Abbas remembers how the US President told him he had a "moral and religious obligation" to act. The White House has refused to comment on what it terms a private conversation. But the BBC account is anything but implausible, given how throughout his presidency Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, has never hidden the importance of his faith.

From the outset he has couched the "global war on terror" in quasi-religious terms, as a struggle between good and evil. Al-Qa'ida terrorists are routinely described as evil-doers. For Mr Bush, the invasion of Iraq has always been part of the struggle against terrorism, and he appears to see himself as the executor of the divine will.

He told Bob Woodward - whose 2004 book, Plan of Attack, is the definitive account of the administration's road to war in Iraq - that after giving the order to invade in March 2003, he walked in the White House garden, praying "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty". As he went into this critical period, he told Mr Woodward, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will.

"I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God.
Understand that.
Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger
of His will as possible.
And then of course, I pray for forgiveness."

Another telling sign of Mr Bush's religion was his answer to
Mr Woodward's question on whether he had asked his father -
the former president who refused to launch a full-scale invasion
of Iraq after driving Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991 -
for advice on what to do.

The current President replied that his earthly father was
"the wrong father to appeal to for advice ...
there is a higher father that I appeal to".

LINK

Come on folks George Bush is, was and never will be a true Christian believer. He played his part as dictated by those with the real power. Do you remember the man he was before entering politics. As I remember he drank like a fish and partied until he was forty years of age. He also ran part of his father's oil business in the Middle East and wasn't successful at that. When he became governor of Texas his only actions of note were in the large numbers of people sent for execution.

I am not from the US so my memories of the man may not be perfectly correct, but my intuition tells me that he actually had very good reasons to have turned out the way he did given his family background. He never had a chance to grow up to be a normal caring human being.

The dismantling of the almighty US as a power base of the elite globalists has been planned for a very long time and the statements made by Bush, using biblical prophecy, was surely part of the plan. So Chirac baulked at what was said. I think the Pope would have too.

Why has this been brought to public attention now when the chips are down. This can only cause more damage to the image of America.

It didnt also mention in that memo that God wants me to have a million doller house does it? I was hoping maybe it could have.
On a slightly more serious memo, wouldnt that be considered a big no no to mention god in a memo that states why we as a country needs to do something, isnt that merging church and state? Or..... am i just an idiot who always mis-interprets laws? I mean i got these bear arms on my wall.

Time to move on past Bush folks. Keep your eyes on Obama. He is the one charged with continuing work in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Barry may come across as a breath of fresh air to some, but in reality he just the same smelly old sneaker worn on a different foot.

Let's not forget what is happening on our own soil. Obama is laying the groundwork for something big. The power grab is unprecedented and I just read this morning that Obama is appointing a "Cyber Czar" Hmmm..... I wonder why?? BTW these "Czars" that he is appointing operate under the protection of the executive office because they are a direct extension of his authority. A "New Age" indeed...

Obama Set to Create A Cybersecurity Czar With Broad Mandate

The adviser will have the most comprehensive mandate granted to such an official to date and will probably be a member of the National Security Council but will report to the national security adviser as well as the senior White House economic adviser, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the deliberations are not final.

www.washingtonpost.com...

As the foremost defender of Senate prerogatives, Byrd is concerned that these new "czars" will assume vast policymaking authority without being answerable to Congress, whereas Cabinet secretaries, who must be confirmed by the Senate, can be summoned to testify before the chamber. They are also subject to stringent oversight, both through authorizing committees and the appropriations process, which Byrd has helped steer for decades. White House staffers, Byrd points out, "rarely testify before congressional committees and often shield the information and decision-making process behind the assertion of executive privilege."

voices.washingtonpost.com...

We are well on out way folks. SSDD

[edit on 26-5-2009 by jibeho]

What I find very interesting is looking back at Bush's comments following the events of 9/11. I know a lot of people see Bush's "War On Terror" simply as war against Islam and the Muslim world, but considering some of the comments he has made in the past, the whole thing seems a little strange.

"President Bush finds himself in a rare disagreement with conservatives in his party over his efforts to portray Islam as a peaceful religion that is not responsible for anti-American terrorism. In a score of speeches since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the president has called for tolerance of Muslims, describing Islam as “a faith based upon peace and love and compassion” and a religion committed to “morality and learning and tolerance.”
But a large number of foreign policy hawks — some of them with advisory roles in the Bush administration — have joined religious conservatives in taking issue with Bush’s characterizations. While most of them understand the political rationale for Bush’s statements — there’s no benefit in antagonizing Muslim allies such as Pakistan and Indonesia — they say the claim is dishonest and destined to fail."

Source - Cutting Edge

Does anybody else find this a little perplexing? Was there maybe pressure put on him from high ranking officials from Saudi Arabia? Also that rumour about members of the Bin Laden family being flown out of the country after it took place.

[edit on 26/5/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by liveandlearn
Geez, an I thought he was just stupid. This is over the top as far as I am concerned.

...and what's worse is a majority of this country elected him


....twice

Religious and other conservatives, and religious enough liberals, I suppose, can try to distance themselves from that psychopath and say, "move along, nothing to see here," all they want, but the fact remains that the real ROOT of Bush's fanaticism (that's NO different from any violently religious wackjob in history, except that that psycho piece of # was the head of state of the most powerful nation on Earth) is Christianity/organized religion in general - the system or institution itself that PERMITS the too-frequent psychotic-psychopathic interpretations of scripture. Yippee as always...

I hope to see the day, if it ever comes, when it will be exceedingly clearly illegal in the US to wage war while under the influence of religion (not to be confused with spirituality, IMO).

That whole story of Gog and Magog has been leaked a month after it happens.

French politics were stunned, amazed, shocked by such view by the US president.

I've read that G.W. Bush was after refered as '' The Connard'' by bureaucrats in Paris.

It has been reported that right after the meeting between Bush and Chirac, President Chirac had to ask for a Protestant pastor in order to understand what was Gog and Magog all about.

French politics are not religious driven and many are not religious at all.

I want to point out that before first Iraq War.

George Bush sr. spent 6 hours with billy Graham just before he ordered the first strikes on Iraq, jan 1991. I think the father shared some the vision, the son had.

Ya know..the shoe in candidate would be the opposite of what is being thrown up now.

The perfect candidate based on stastical america is:

Religion: Agnostic
UFO Stance: believe somethings going on and curious to know more
Politics: Pretty middle of the road...socially liberal, fiscally conservative
Intellect: High, but has that "have a beer with" quality that people for some reason want in a leader
Race: mixed

compiling...sorting...results:
Edward James Olmos

No matter how you split it, any religious fundy no longer represents the face of America considering the demographics of the land are majority non-religious and curious about the skys. Also, the vast majority believe in peace and unity over wars and dogmatic principled stands on things.

Olmos, if you read his history, is a perfectly position person, socially active, acknowledged around the world by various groups and respected, a "light flavored" Democrat, and seems to be mostly motivated by unity in the world verses splitting...hell, he even went to the UN and tried to get the world "race" removed...saying race is a way to compartmentalise and dismiss another culture.
Anyhow...bout the article.
I find it hard to believe a elected offical was that loopy..dont fully doubt it, but I would like to see a more credible news agency report it. if its true, then we are lucky that not all of his plans came into play.

Anyhow, carry on...Olmos 2016 :-P

Nice thread. It is interesting that in a CNN interview Bush admitted that he does not really believe in the Bible as a history of Jewish Culture. But of course if it means making more money and spreading control, why not make a claim that you do not actually believe but can use for your aims. I cant exactly blame him for trying and succeeding. That is the world communities fault for letting him succeed.

If Olmos were accompanied with those sexy robots, I'd definitely vote for him

Bush's end-times gobbldygook beliefs are not what caused the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan... but they are what the real PTB used to manipulate him.

He was and is a weak minded buffoon that was made to do a puppet dance by Cheney and others.

His religious beliefs and weakness for flattery were merely two of the marionette strings they used to achieve their own goals through him.

Just another bad smear on Christians. I hope most of you don't buy this, no christian would murder such as what he has done. It's just another front. no Christian would take part of Bohemian grove. I dunno, that's just honestly how I feel about it, perhaps the beast is showing his two horns. I believe in the separation of church and state, *especially* on matters such as this. I'm upset that he did it in the name of God, but God will deal with that. But as I'm sure you will see there are going to be certain other Christians who are going to be behind him about this. It's nothing to follow, if God wanted to kill 1 million people he has the destructive forces of nature to work with, he certainly doesn't need a lying, thieving man to do his work for him.

Looking at this from the religious angle ......Well, he might have been right. Perhaps there was a supernatural connection to what he did. Just something to consider.

Daniel 8. In that story/prophecy it was predicted a powerful country from the west would attack and conquer 2 nations/kings in the middle east.

But the first event of the series predicted by Daniel 11-2 predicts this.

And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

Now while some would arge that that event happened thousands of years ago however there is a problem. Sometimes prophesies can repeat. And to fulfill this "realm of Grecia" part of the prophecy is that the nation attacked merely has to look Greek. And Washington DC is a fine example of Greco-Roman architecture.

George Bush as the horseman of war? Hmmmnn.

[edit on 26-5-2009 by ntech]

reply to post by Boogley


Yes, they would.

Christians murder all the time, but so do people. I'm being fair, by saying that; people are insane they always will be. Christianity and other religions just give them justification to the masses.. People are stupid and will always be misled someway, obviously the holy spirit inside christians doesn't prevent this.

But I seriously hope these memos are NOT real. We have a serious problem, much more serious than we ever did if they are..

Originally posted by Tentickles
Does it really surprise you that a overly religious man from the south, at the beck and call of his father's whim would be a religious zealot trying to rule the world?

I do agree though, absolutely evil!

Religion + Politics = Nothing Good.

What does being from the south have to do with anything?
Religion and Politics are the same thing. The Christian bible lays out how to operate a government and the priests are the ones who run that government. So if our elected leaders aren't working for Jesus then you have to wonder who they answer to.

That said, Gog and Magog may well be the USA and the state of Israel. We may have the whole thing backwards.

Considering that Israel is the one that is attacked in the War with Gog and Magog--and he comes from the north, it's impossible for Israel to be part of it.

If Bush did say this, he needs to go back and look at the prophecy because, it doesn't say that man stops the war, but rather God does.

Someone earlier made some comment along the lines of, "oh and a majority of the country voted for him too," in a derogatory way. Not that I'm offended, but I just wanted to warn those who think that way, who most likely voted for BO, that in four years, you may be scorned at for voting for Obama.

I'm just sayin'. As my grandma used to say, "what goes around comes around".