Bush Memos Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins"

Originally posted by drwizardphd
This is absolutely frightening!
Not only is Bush revealed to be a psychopathic religious nut, he's also blatantly referring to a new world order.

No. First, this reveals an inability to read objectively without superimposing personal prejudices and misrepresentations.

The quoted "story" comes from the "CounterPunch" blog:

CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
Muckraking leftist newsletter edited by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair. www.counterpunch.org

If this was believable, Bush is not referring to a NWO. This is a misinterpretation of the Apocalypse and the Battle of Armageddon!

The alternet.org piece says it clearly:

In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy.
...
Bush believed the time had now come for that battle.
...
There can be little doubt now that President Bush ... was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam's Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.

Aside from the third-hand account from a blog post of an alleged visiting liberal professor, his own sources are clearly completely made of whole cloth!

The story has now been confirmed by Chirac himself in a new book, published in France in March, by journalist Jean Claude Maurice.

"Confirmed by Chirac?" I don't see that anywhere. The alternet story and the CounterPunch blog clearly say it was first published in a journal, then a paper, then in a book. I see no quotation from Chirac with proper attribution.

And, "Jean Claude Maurice?" Come on! If it were an Irish book, would the author have been 'Sean Angus Michael?" Or, if Mexican, 'Juan Carlos Mario?' The Amazon France site identifies "Maurice" not as the author, but as "editor". And his credits? Former editor of "Sunday Paper."

The credulity evident on ATS is sometimes almost frightening.

Doesn't anyone check sources and credibility before posting trash?

Deny Ignorance!

jw



[edit on 26-5-2009 by jdub297]

i dont think,they,bush and crew are religious at all,lts all a put on,just a game to them,a front and they know it,just like the vatican,its so they can have something to seperate humanity,so we can be at war with each other.war equals money and land plus it helps depopulate the planet.i hear posters saying we are over populated,theres plenty of land every where on earth.its just that people are packed into cities and borders.checkout google earth, i'm sure you'll find there's places where there's no one for miles.sorry to go of topic,it just gets to me the bull thats sited to get ride of us.

Originally posted by JanusFIN

Bush explained to French Pres. Chirac that the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Mid-East and must be defeated.

- Damned, are those puppets really on that downgraders level? ... Im just loosing my faith to everything. Bush can slap to faces even being out from office! - Is This why 1 000 000 people are dead now? ... Please, wake me up!

- No wonder that Israel still geting congress and senate votes to their Armagedon against "Evil Iran" ... Please, stop the fundamentalism!

Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins"

The revelation this month in GQ Magazine that Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary embellished top-secret wartime memos with quotations from the Bible prompts a question. Why did he believe he could influence President Bush by that means?

The answer may lie in an alarming story about George Bush's Christian millenarian beliefs that has yet to come to light.

In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France's President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.

www.alternet.org... egins%22/

[edit on 25-5-2009 by JanusFIN]

Can you think for yourself, or are you trying to look like a buffoon? It was an illegal invasion, but the reason 1m plus civilians have died is because of insurgents who view civilian deaths as resistance to the Coalition. For every civilian killed, they gain sympathy and build on anti-Western sentiment.

Oh and nice attempt at making Israel the demon once again. The people you should really be angry with are the Global Elite who have no religion, no race or no conscience. Only a lot of greed, thirst for power and disregard for people who do not fit in with their agenda.

Originally posted by pitchdragon

and usa did the same but bush take the oil
by making a war

killing and destroying a country just for this f...... oil
it's a shame and it's insane where is the part of humanity
in this, where is our part of responsability in this.

please let's show a littel respect for humanity and irakies it's not
a video games, we the people we need to show to our
governement that we are not agree with that because we
the people we are not ready to kill 1 million of others peoples
in irak just for keeping driving our car .

Let's not get too romantic about how wonderful Iraq was before the Americans went in.

A million died in an aggressive war against Iran that lasted 8 years. Saddam ran a brutal regime systematically murdering tens of thousands of Kurds and Shiites. The Americans don't exactly pump oil and ship it to the US. Iraq has a government and sells it's oil, unlike previously when it profits went to Saddam.

What's changed is Americans are buying the oil at market value instead of it being siphoned to France and China at below market prices and Iraqis are participating in the profits.


Mike

This is very likely a load of horse Sh**. Even If old holeyer than thou Bush did think he was on a mission from God I don’t think he would have told the French president. Sounds like more Anti American Propaganda to me.


That said, Gog and Magog may well be the USA and the state of Israel. We may have the whole thing backwards.

God’s chosen people the original Jew is described as having skin like burnt bronze and feet like tarnished brass. Most all were kill, exiled or converted to Islam as was the case with shabbetai Tzvi and his Donmeh followers. So actually some may interpret that the modern day Muslim is the true descendant of Israel and as such is Israel.

LEFT WING HOME PAGE OF THE ARTICLE
Click here

After looking at the source site ... I find the article unbelievable.

Originally posted by JanusFIN
Is This why 1 000 000 people are dead now?

Where do you get that figure?

Please, stop the fundamentalism!

Wiping out enemies in the middle east would definately put an end to fundamentalism.... Islamic fundamentalism.

Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.

Was he wrong about that?

Originally posted by notreallyalive
"The story has now been confirmed by Chirac himself in a new book, published in France in March, by journalist Jean Claude Maurice." WHAT BOOK??

Good point. Chirac is a moron and he hates America.
So if he spewed in a book .... it would not be believable.

Originally posted by CreeWolf
So, where most countries in the Middle East routinely mix Politics AND Religion, do you think of them as "absolutely evil"? The President of Iran doesn't take a dump without consulting his religious clerics. Sharia Law, enforced in almost all Muslim countries by their Islamic Governments, is totally religious in nature.



This whole thread seems nothing more than an attack on Christianity. Like white males and Jews, its more and more acceptable to judge more harshly than ever.

[edit on 26-5-2009 by CreeWolf]

No, I'd say this thread helps to highlight where the majority of foreign relations problems in this world stem from and the fact that none of our brightest minds are willing to address that problem: Religion.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
It was an illegal invasion,

Hey Dark Ghost. I agreed with your post except for this.

It wasn't illegal at all.

Saddam went to war against Kuwait. We beat the tar out of him. There was a cease fire and Saddam, who lost the war, agreed to the terms of the cease fire. The breaking of those terms would mean that they could be forced upon him by military action. Saddam continually broke those terms which meant an end to the cease fire agreement from Gulf War I .. and so the US had ever right to force compliance to the UN resolutions ... resolutions which Saddam had agreed to. (Resolutions 687, 689, 1441 and No Fly Zone, Throwing out UN Nuke Inspectors, for example)

The Iraq War is just a continuation of Gulf War I (Kuwait).
It continued because Saddam broke the cease fire UN resolutions.

Also it wasn't illegal as far as the US goes.
It was fully approved by our government.

So no, it wasn't illegal at all.

We are worse off than when Bush was in office and the left needs a way to blame Bush for the failures of POTUS Osama. Osama is taking us down the path to dictatorship.

This post is a distraction from the real evil we are seeing in Washington today. The left knows this is the end game for them and they will do all they can to usurp as much power as they can. In the end it will be the same. Treason by any other name is still treason and what Obama and their ilk is doing today is just that.

Nice try OP but your source is less than objective. It's like trying to say you saw the news on PMSNBC. It's an oxymoron...

South Korean sources report that North Korea followed yesterday's nuclear test with two missile tests today. Meanwhile, President Obama galvanized international support for a maritime blockade, a move the North called an act of w

Link

So much for the ONE who would talk his enemies into submission. Osama is the real deal. He will have us in a world war before then end of the year and the left like the OP here will blame it on Bush... What a joke...

[edit on 26-5-2009 by northof8]

reply to post by mmiichael


i'm romantic :roll, we know what happen with that country, with irak iran war, and it's the french and the usa who sold weapon to saddam,
missiles and chemical weapon, and after that, the sames countrys are telling us saddam is a savage warrior who kill for fun,so why we give him that power to do it ? the same country sold there soul for money and oil, and it's a fact we follow like sheep, it's so hypocrit, they push saddam to invade koeit just to make that war,saddam is just a toys, dumb man with a big ego and they knew how to trick him, they knew he was a crazy man with no limit since a long time ago, why america did not make war to saddam when he torture, murders, deportated, forced disappearances, targeted assassinations, chemical weapons and the destruction of wetlands of the kurdish, why france was still keep given weapon to saddam to fight iran,why at this time nobody say this man is dangerous , it's politic, money and power, but who are the loosers ? I am surprised when we dont look the human aspect of this masquerade, I really ask myself what are we become?
young american soldiers killed , civilian peoples killed , and i must hear it's war it's like that, but for what , there is something to gain, our freedome ? our freedome is already lost since long time ago
you can explain to me historicaly all the fact, but the result still the same
loss, loss, and just loss, a mess,how this will end, yet more war, more terrorism, more people fueled by revenge
during this time the oil compagny and weapon company rub their hands and count there money, it's shame we have no value
i'm romantic and i hope still stay romantic
because for me what is the most important it's you, me ,we the people

peace

Hmmm, thats odd, wasint bushes skull and bones title......Gog?
Im could be mistaken, can someone clear this up for me.?

[edit on 26-5-2009 by Outlawstar]

This story is kind of old now for us Europeans! we have known that GW said that years ago!

Here's a video where the Swedish Prime Minister are telling the Swedish people what GWB had been told by God, and the Prime Minister tells the Swedes what GWB said to European leaders just weeks before the Iraq war when he wanted the European leaders to support him.

GWB said to them that God had personally told him to fight this war, and that this war was a mission from God - who wanted GW to lead that mission and fight against God's enemies - God had spoken these words to him!

(The European leaders later shooked their heads! and later said that some Americans in the Bush administration had apparently gone nuts, and had lost their clear minds and had gone insane?)

I'm sorry but the old Prime Minister of Sweden only speak in Swedish in this video:

Bush and God!

And I don't know how I can possibly translate his word into English so you can verify it? - sorry!




[edit on 26-5-2009 by Chevalerous]

Originally posted by xxpigxx
I would say that Russia is at work in the Middle East . . . wouldn't you?

The Cold War never ended.

Didnt usa start two wars in middle east in the past 10 years there?

How can you question Bush's beliefs? How do you know what he believes in his heart? You accuse him of not being a true christian, but you have no way of knowing that. Only God and President Bush know that.
To quote The Christ; Judge not, lest you be judged.
You may judge his actions, but you have no way of knowing what he really believes.

Come on people we knew this when it was happening... we knew that hard right religious leaders like Hagee was influencing bush minor and he consistently used religious language to describe his actions... answering to a higher father and the like.

Nothing surprises me about the bush minor administration anymore... if it came out the he imported Iraqi boys to bugger... I would just nod my head knowingly.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
It was an illegal invasion,

Hey Dark Ghost. I agreed with your post except for this.

It wasn't illegal at all.

Saddam went to war against Kuwait. We beat the tar out of him. There was a cease fire and Saddam, who lost the war, agreed to the terms of the cease fire. The breaking of those terms would mean that they could be forced upon him by military action. Saddam continually broke those terms which meant an end to the cease fire agreement from Gulf War I .. and so the US had ever right to force compliance to the UN resolutions ... resolutions which Saddam had agreed to. (Resolutions 687, 689, 1441 and No Fly Zone, Throwing out UN Nuke Inspectors, for example)

The Iraq War is just a continuation of Gulf War I (Kuwait).
It continued because Saddam broke the cease fire UN resolutions.

Also it wasn't illegal as far as the US goes.
It was fully approved by our government.

So no, it wasn't illegal at all.

The war was illegal and it broke international Law my friend!

"War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal"
Richard Perle conceded that the invasion of Iraq had been illegal:

www.guardian.co.uk...

"Iraq war illegal, says Annan"
"The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter"

news.bbc.co.uk...

www.guardian.co.uk...

"Blix: Iraq War Was Illegal

"The former chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has declared that the war in Iraq was illegal, dealing another devastating blow to Tony Blair."

Mr Blix, speaking to The Independent, said the Attorney General's legal advice to the Government on the eve of war, giving cover for military action by the US and Britain, had no lawful justification. He said it would have required a second United Nations resolution explicitly authorizing the use of force for the invasion of Iraq last March to have been legal.
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Mr Blix demolished the argument advanced by Lord Goldsmith three days before the war began, which stated that resolution 1441 authorized the use of force because it revived earlier UN resolutions passed after the 1991 ceasefire.

Mr Blix said that while it was possible to argue that Iraq had breached the ceasefire by violating UN resolutions adopted since 1991, the "ownership" of the resolutions rested with the entire 15-member Security Council and not with individual states. "It's the Security Council that is party to the ceasefire, not the UK and US individually, and therefore it is the council that has ownership of the ceasefire, in my interpretation."

www.commondreams.org...


Annan declares Iraq war illegal and warns of election credibility

Tony Blair last night suffered a fresh blow after Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General, said the war in Iraq was "illegal".

Speaking on the BBC World Service, Mr Annan said the war was "not in conformity" with the UN Security Council or with the UN Charter.

Asked if there was legal authority for the war on Iraq, Mr Annan said: "I have stated clearly that it was not in conformity with the security council, with the UN charter."

He also said there could not be credible elections in Iraq next January if the current unrest continued.

www.independent.co.uk...


Bush failed to prove his cause to Congress and the UN

Below is the Congressional authorization for force that Bush used to launch the invasion of Iraq. However, if you read Section 3, paragraph B, Bush was required to prove to the Congress that Iraq was in violation of UN Resolutions by still being in possession of weapons of mass destruction, and secondly, that Iraq was behind 9-11. Both claims have since been disproved and discredited.

whatreallyhappened.com...

Hello everyone !

I am french. Now feel free to throw things at me if you like

France, as a state, is no freedom lover. Of course it deals with politics, diplomacy and vital interests.

About the surrogate company partly owned by Chirac, I would like to know the name of this company. Certainly you are talking about Total, one of the biggest world oil company. Like any other oil company, it is involved in dubious actions like spying, bribery, violent operations, etc... Chirac has no shares in it. Total is private but one instrument of France influence in the world. Total had old agreements with Iraq on some of their oilfields exploitation from a time when Hussein was considered as a strong western ally.
I am sorry my english is not good enough to explain the detail of a complicated story like the goings-on of the oil-for-food program. Lots of bribery, contraband and lobbying involving Total but also russian, chinese and saudian companies. By the end of the nineties, France was the main importer of Iraqi crude oil. in 2000, it dropped to a 10th position or so. American influence at work
I am not trying to defend any criminal activity, I just want to remind there is an economic war for oil even amongst allies. Tools are politics, diplomacy and criminal actions.
It is claimed many key figures close to Chirac received money from Iraq, maybe partly in an attempt to secure France support. This is likely. Though I don't think Saddam Hussein believed it could be decisive to shape France policy.
Bribery is very common in our world, between allies and enemies. Don't think France and other countries were participating in something particularly noteworthy. This is day day-to-day business.

Now I don't think Chirac was benefiting personnaly from this business. And I don't think this is the main reason he refused to engage with USA in Iraq.
Remember the claim for invading Iraq was false. And public opinion throughout Europe was strongly opposed to this. We don't have the same media. It was obvious for most europeans that WMD was a cover. In almost every country in western Europe, France, UK, Germany, Spain, Italy, protest marchs were held against the invasion. European governments followed the USA because of american hegemony and pressure against their people.
I don't think states always act as robots seeking their best interests. Head states are humans, one thing that might have influenced Chirac is his personal and diplomatic ties with Middle East figures. Maybe he also thought he could not defy french public opinion at this moment in regards to domestic politics. I am sure he forecasted the very dangerous move made by the USA and the instability and tricky situation that was to follow. He wanted to position France as one trustworthy and fair interlocutor and mediator by showing that despite being a strong USA ally, France would not follow America in any false and unfair accusation. He understood that the invasion of Iraq would be viewed in the future as the expression of USA hegemony and agressiveness in the world scene. And of course, it was war for oil and the USA was trying to seize oil in an area where France had many interests.
I am sad that some american fellows still view France policy has some kind of betrayal. America was not in danger. Not at all. I think we can all agree on this today. Of course, France position was made looking like tainted with morality. It was not, well, it was not the main factor.

Like one poster wrote, the american people is generally not judged by his government. But who would judge a country's people by his leaders ?

Regarding the book in the OP. The book exists and Jean-Claude Maurice is a real journalist The title can be translated by "If you make it public, I will deny it". The book was not much publicised in France. With Sarkozy as president, anything related to Chirac does not receive much publicity actually... Chirac is retired and does not speak to the press. He might be active unofficially though.
Still I am not sure if I am to believe the quotes attributed to Bush. It seems extreme to me. And I don't know the goal pursued in revealing this today. Maybe only seeking media attention.
Chirac and Sarkozy used to be very close with Sarkozy once dating Chirac's daughter. They are now very strongly opposed in international politics especially France/USA policy. Maybe Chirac is still trying to interfere in french affairs. If that is the case, it is a miserable attempt. There is really no big deal with this book in France.
Quite frankly, I don't know what to think about that. Very strange story.

I hope my babbling is understandable to you

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
How can you question Bush's beliefs? How do you know what he believes in his heart? You accuse him of not being a true christian, but you have no way of knowing that. Only God and President Bush know that.
To quote The Christ; Judge not, lest you be judged.
You may judge his actions, but you have no way of knowing what he really believes.

Paradoxically, the person who is being judged for judging, is then being judged by someone who had just judged, and thus the cycle continues..........oh and then theres the whole, you can tbelieve what you read in the Bible unless you were born without a logic centre thing



Okay that was harsh, I apologise

[edit on 26-5-2009 by Outlawstar]

Originally posted by Chevalerous
This story is kind of old now for us Europeans! we have known that GW said that years ago!
[edit on 26-5-2009 by Chevalerous]

Well, old for us europeans !
I knew that GWB was claiming to fight this war in the name of God and I think he said the same to american people. I thought he was trying to create antagonism towards Islam in christian cultural countries.
Now, in a private discussion with a european leader, referring to Gog and Magog, this is absolutely weird and scary.