Koran Mentions Worm Holes Through Which Aliens Will Invade Earth!

Originally posted by JasonT
I would just like to say that this is a fantastic thread. If only more religious threads were like this one where discussions are taking place between Atheists, Christians and Muslims in a logical manner - No arguing or any of that stuff, just an intelligent discussion.

Yes good point -there are a great many organised religions out there and tolerance should definitely be a two way street.
Many faiths speculate about time and space -I found these two quotes interesting from Carl Sagan:

A millennium before Europeans were willing to divest themselves of the Biblical idea that the world was a few thousand years old, the Mayans were thinking of millions and the Hindus billions.
Carl Sagan.


The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And there are much longer time scales still.
Carl Sagan

refspace.com...

Carl Sagan was an atheist but its refreshing to see him accrediting some faiths with a viable understanding of the universe.
He did also say this though:

Those afraid of the universe as it really is, those who pretend to nonexistent knowledge and envision a Cosmos centered on human beings will prefer the fleeting comforts of superstition.
Carl Sagan

Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of science? ... No other human institution comes close.
Carl Sagan.

I don't follow organised religion and I suspect some of the replies on this thread have more to do with
(un)conscious speculative misrepresentation of subjective halftruths but you're right that its nice to see civilised discussion.
Cheers.

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Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
The "Qur'an" and the "Koran" are two different books. OP is obviously ignorant about the subject matter.

Could you tell us the difference between the "Qur'an" and the "Koran"?

I have always seen those two names as meaning the same book. Thanks.

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Koran includes DVD extra's and an alternative ending

LoL, I was going to say, those darn koreans surely know how to kick it up a notch after the launching of their missle.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
The "Qur'an" and the "Koran" are two different books. OP is obviously ignorant about the subject matter.

Could you tell us the difference between the "Qur'an" and the "Koran"?

I have always seen those two names as meaning the same book. Thanks.

The Qur'an is the "koran"... he must have been thinking of the "torah"

In fact, I shall locate my Qu'ran and do some reading tonight and investigate the claims raised in this thread

Umm people....no aliens are going to invade earth....

The battle of Gog and Magog is actually also known as Armageddon.
This is all a religious story, there's nothing real about it - no aliens.

The last great battle between good and evil, Satan and the Antichrist rally the accumulative military forces of the world to attack Israel. God himself comes down and defeats assailing armies.

According to revelations immediately there after would, Satan is cast into the pit of hell and people are then pulled from the dead and judged by their works. Ezekiel talks about the battle of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel Ch 38-9.

So...um, no theres no evil aliens. And - there's no Armageddon because there's no god.

The Koran mentions something called jinn. Another ATS guy from Saudi pmd me and explained what they were and they sound pretty much like the ufo orbs. So if the book got that right (something not in the Bible and something not accepted in the west) then maybe this worm hole thing is true too. There are certainly regions on Planet Earth where the ufo orbs can emerge from like tearing through the sky like unzipping it and these are often at ancient energy points like standing stone circles, maybe this is where this army will emerge from.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
The "Qur'an" and the "Koran" are two different books. OP is obviously ignorant about the subject matter.

can you please explain how is it that the Quran is different than the koran and that they are two different books ?

waiting for an answer

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The problem I see with the "wormholes" is that there is nothing in the Quran (as far as I have seen) that backs it up like that site shows, while there is information about the Jinn.

PS: one ATS member told me something about that too, an interesting story, I suppose it's the same.

Very good thread.

I have always been of a mind what our ancestors perceived as our Pantheon of goddesses and gods are indeed non terrestrial interactions etc.

Tending to see things more from the Lemurian - Atlantean perspective though as connected with ancient Celt mythologies, but there's a lot which is the same simply expressed through different eyes and tongue, across the planet though, i was aware of that 30 years ago.

Religions and occult arts are very much entwined with these beings throughout history, as is obvious from the modern perspective at our level of understanding in the 21st century.

Indeed, many through time from completely unconnected civilisations record the same events, beings, transport vehicles etc.

I am deffo bang up there with all you guys with this sort of thing, always have been, completely on page.

Paxus.

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Check this media out.

Bang on target with all this, released this year, there is an older episode from a few years ago of the same title if interested, ConCen or Pirate Bay or somewhere should have the old one.

The uploader thepiratebay.org... has a lot of media ATS members wil be interested in and i believe filesharing aired to television material is not piracy and that copyright enforcers such as the MPAA are not concerned about it.

History Channel
Ancient Aliens.
(2 Hours)
Airdate: March 8, 2009

What if life on Earth began in outer space? Millions of people accept the theory that intelligent life forms visited Earth thousands of years ago and were worshiped as gods by primitive man. Are monuments like Stonehenge and Easter Island the last remains of an ancient alien visitation? From unexplainable super structures, to knowledge of the solar system, mathematics, and even the ability to make electricity, this special explores evidence of super-human influences on ancient man and embarks on an around-the-world search for answers. It's an investigation into a theory some believe cannot be true, but many agree cannot be ignored. (New--2009 special.)

thepiratebay.org...[HST]_Ancient_Aliens.divx

Bit torrent clients, i recommend Azureus/Vuse for decent spec 'puters and Utorrent for lower spec, either VLC media player or a codec pack for viewing DivX files on your preferred player, such as K-lite mega codecs lite,, if you are new to Bit Torrent, are available for free from FreeCodecs.com.
www.free-codecs.com...

[I did contact ATS about linking to a torrent tracker, no reply yet. Aplogies if this infringes rules.]



[edit on 12-4-2009 by DeltaPan]

Studying my Qu'ran one cannot see the link being made here. I have in my possession a modern English translation and the author of the website seems to mistranslates/represent certain words.

The passage (Qu'ran 18.92-99) in reference to Gog and Magog makes no indication towards an alien invasion, more like a destructive negative force upon the land. Gog and Magog actions are not described either.

reply to post by mikesingh

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by aysekaly
Also, in Q'uran, it mentiones that there isn't any other beings, ET living on any planet. It tells about heaven, hell, satan, angels, some spiritual beings. I hope this would cover some of you questions.

That's what this whole debate is about - interpretation! What are these spiritual beings? Satan? Angels? Can you explain? Could this be interpreted as ETs? Could Heaven and Hell be two planets at war? Could Satan be the ruler of the evil planet? Could angels be the good ETs?

It is possible that ETs were described as angels in most religious books for want of a better word! How do YOU interpret these concepts?

Well, here's a gentleman who's got a 'few' things to say about the matter -

Emanuel Swedenborg

Emanuel Swedenborg (born Emanuel Swedberg; February 8, 1688[1]–March 29, 1772) was a Swedish scientist, philosopher, Christian mystic, and theologian. Swedenborg had a prolific career as an inventor and scientist. At the age of fifty-six he entered into a spiritual phase in which he experienced dreams and visions. This culminated in a spiritual awakening, where he claimed he was appointed by the Lord to write a heavenly doctrine to reform Christianity. He claimed that the Lord had opened his eyes, so that from then on he could freely visit heaven and hell, and talk with angels, demons, and other spirits. For the remaining 28 years of his life, he wrote and published 18 theological works, of which the best known was Heaven and Hell (1758), and several unpublished theological works.

Source : Wikipedia

Now, before reviewing what follows, one might consider taking just a moment to consider the 'tenor of the times,' to wit -

The Roman Inquisition

In 1542, Pope Paul III established the Congregation of the Holy Office of the Inquisition as a permanent congregation staffed with cardinals and other officials. It had the tasks of maintaining and defending the integrity of the faith and of examining and proscribing errors and false doctrines; it thus became the supervisory body of local Inquisitions. Arguably the most famous case tried by the Roman Inquisition involved Galileo Galilei in 1633. Following the French invasion of 1798, the new authorities sent 3,000 chests containing over 100,000 Inquisition documents to France from Rome. After the restoration of the Pope as the ruler of the Papal States after 1814, Roman Inquisition activity continued until the mid-19th century, notably in the well-publicised Mortara Affair (1858-1870).

Source : Wikipedia

For instance, these 'fine professionals,' the Inquisitors, brought 'new meaning' to such common terms as, 'barbeque,' to point out only one of their 'contibutions' to the 'advancement' human 'culture.' They were also 'pretty darned good' at 'drawing-and-quartering,' using 'various machines' to 'stretch out' the human body from it's otherwise 'normal' dimensions, etc ...

Suffice it to say, 'these guys were good' ...

Anyway, I mention this only in passing, because one might quite easily get the 'wrong idea' from Swedenborg's writings. IMHO, he observed 'certain conventions' so as to avoid becoming the 'main course' at a 'Roman barbeque' held in 'his honor,' for instance ...

But, I digress -

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Maybe an interesting publication for this issue is The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran by christoph Luxenberg. He stated that the original Quran was written in aramaic and some intrepretations where misunderstood in the later arabic versions. [in]Famous example:" the currants which muslims await in heaven instead of the virgins.."

According to Luxenberg, the Qur'an was not written in classical Arabic but in a mixed Arabic-Syriac language, the traders' language of Mecca and it was based on Christian liturgical texts. When the final text of the Qur'an was codified, those working on it did not understand the original sense and meaning of this hybrid trading language any more, and they forcefully and randomly turned it into classical Arabic. This gave rise to a lot of misinterpretations. Something like this can only have happened if there was a gap in the oral transmission of the Qur'anic text. That idea is in serious disagreement with the views of both traditional Muslims and western scholars of Islamp

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[edit on 12-4-2009 by Foppezao]

reply to post by mikesingh


I hadn't heard of this, but it's interesting - thanks for posting! I wonder if there are other similar messages contained in other holy texts - maybe this is something I should look up!

reply to post by mikesingh


hello

about , the yagog and magog (hajouj and majouj in arabic) it's the Scythians, these semi-nomadic horsemen whose territory extended from north of the Black Sea north of the Caspian Sea, they crossed the mountains of the Caucasus through Darial Pass, they was feared.
however, we can say they are human beings , physical constitution quite normal. Be careful with these legends and folklore that yaGog and Magog as men gigantic or tiny, ears hypertrophied with big eyes.
i did research and i find about this people, the physical discreption
is they are small with big black eyes a special type but it was the description through the eyes of the people of this era but i think they where talking about the persian or the asian people .
About the journey of the Prophet from Makka to Jerusalem and it's the most intriguing for me, it say that he travel very faster he was inside a sphere of light made from metal and darck stone.
and i heard about the maarejs it's another dimention, you can see it but never touch it, and it's a gate betwen this world and an alternative world and there is many gate to many dimention only angels can travel Through them, in french we call it "mirage" a kind of hallucination.
but they are many many interpretation

Originally posted by andre18
Umm people....no aliens are going to invade earth....

So...um, no theres no evil aliens. And - there's no Armageddon because there's no god.

Ok - seems you have it all figured out, and the mysteries of the universe fall before your omniscience ..

Well - I believe that ET's are here now, and have been around for a long time - I'm not sure of their intent though, but I feel it isn't good. I believe they are responsible for the religious writings - Bible, Koran, Tulmud - they have been directing us for a long time now - and it looks to me like they want to create Armageddon.

I think our entire planet and its location and everything is artificial - the Moon is too weird, its too old, its orbit is wrong, its not dense enough, the Earth seems to have too much water - and too much gravity to support the huge dinosaurs (especially the flying ones ) whose bones are buried in the ground.

I think that the religious writings do contain secrets from the ET's - but they can be hard to decipher.

We seem to have been set up here on this planet .. why?

Perhaps those writings really do tell the story - maybe the ET's are pan-dimensional beings, and the only way for them to reproduce is to elevate sentient beings into 'enlightenment' or some similar state, whereby they also become pan-dimensional beings - just wild speculation based on what those books say - truly, I can't understand their motives.

So Mohammed and his followers understood worm holes, but didn't understand the psychological problems of a grown man marrying and consumating the marriage with a girl child? Oh, I see, the god known as Allah provides selective ignorance and selective knowledge. Sure, makes sense to me.

reply to post by kyred


EXACTLYYY...!!!!!


this is why the text known as the 'Q-Rhan' or the 'Koran' is a simple piece of Human dreck....just as the 'bible' is...more baloloney....

I realize that I am now going to be focused for death......because of my views...I really don't care, because if your religion depends on killing those who diagree...then you have NO RELIGION!!!!

IF you are unable to understand this concept, then you have no right to 'believe'.....