Major General says president's eligibility needs proof

Alright I've had enough of this crap already.

Obama is the freakin PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! If you don't think people checked into this long before he became President then all of you are truly sick in the head.

Do you think he would've came this far if he was not a natural born citizen? And even if he wasn't, what makes you think he can't create a fake birth certificate with ease?

Point is, GET OVER IT PEOPLE! He's the President and that's that. I'm sorry some of you don't support him or like him. The way I see it, all this idiocy stems from prejudice/racism of small minded people.

Yippee, a "Major General" says his eligibility needs proof. Well, Secretary Of State "thehumbleone" thinks the Major General is probably a white trash idiot who has suffered far to much mental trauma from his war days in Vietnam.

Yeah, lets trust the words of some old white guy who's going senile and probably losing it. Good move people!

AMENDMENT XXVIII
TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A. While all men have been created equal under one true divine creator not all sources of verifiable factual information are equal.
B. In the early days of the grand experiment of this Great Republic there was no Internet. The Founders and Framers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights had no venue to turn to for independent verification of facts other than by creating an Independent Judiciary.
C. This concept while revolutionary lacked advertising pop ups and revenues, multi-media streaming presentations and a chance to get paid for taking a brief survey. In other words inherently flawed.
D. Today thanks to the advent of modern technology, thanks to a military that always finds a need to kill and destroy ever more efficiently we have the Internet, valuable banner and pop up advertising, streaming multi-media presentations that can be made replete with subliminal messages and electron surveys to let us know if the subliminal messages are helping to ensure citizens recognize the facts of all situations as well as which products to conveniently buy online.
E. It is no longer necessary to have an independent Judiciary for the purpose of balancing the system through some open and recognizable process put forth hundreds of years ago and refined through a series of amendments.
F. WE NOW HAVE FACT CHECK.ORG, no it is not funded by the government, beholden to the people, nor has a constitutional form of oversight. This is no longer vital. Citizens of this great nation and it’s business and institutions have proven they can always be trusted. The courts and jails are empty and long in disuse. Surely the cost of maintaining an independent Judiciary to be relied upon for important government oversight, checks and balances is no longer required or even wanted by the citizens. They would all prefer to let FACT CHECK.ORG be the arbiter of any and all disputes regarding government and it’s officials as the sole purveyor of fact and resolution.

Hence forth and forevermore FACTCHECK.ORG shall serve the needs of the people in the manner the outdated and unwanted judiciary is unable too.

Originally posted by xmotex
reply to post by StonyJ

 

To boil it down to it's simplest form. why can't he just authorize the release of the document???????

He did.

When he did, they said "oh it's fake!"

Then they demanded his hospital long form - I don't even have mine, do you? All I have is the short form, which is the only document that matters, legally.

He's under no more obligation to produce his private hospital records than he is to allow a biopsy to prove he's human and not a Cylon, and to request either is a bit... odd.

It sure is funny Obama wants a national computerized data base of health records of everyone using the government socialized health care benefit structure being set up by him and his administration but will not provide his own records. Sure is strange that the health records of the Presidents going back to President Kennedy have been released curtousy for We The People. What is Obama hiding and Why?

Obama refuses to release his educational transcripts from Harvard, Occidental and Columbia. What is Obama hiding and why?

[edit on 28-2-2009 by amari]

reply to post by SaviorComplex


Actually retired Generals and staff officers retain their rank as a title in retirement. When a president is no longer president is he not still referred to as president? Nice try but respect is respect, he absolutely is qualified to pass judgment.

Originally posted by amari
My thought is this if Obama is found to be lying about being a legal U.S. citizen then according to the Constitution of the United States Of America Obama must be removed from office according to what is written in the Constitution by our absolutely brilliant forefathers.

Let me just ask you this: are you confusing legal US citizen with natural born citizen, or do you honestly believe that Obama might not even be a legal US citizen?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
AMENDMENT XXVIII
TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A. While all men have been created equal under one true divine creator not all sources of verifiable factual information are equal.
B. In the early days of the grand experiment of this Great Republic there was no Internet. The Founders and Framers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights had no venue to turn to for independent verification of facts other than by creating an Independent Judiciary.
C. This concept while revolutionary lacked advertising pop ups and revenues, multi-media streaming presentations and a chance to get paid for taking a brief survey. In other words inherently flawed.
D. Today thanks to the advent of modern technology, thanks to a military that always finds a need to kill and destroy ever more efficiently we have the Internet, valuable banner and pop up advertising, streaming multi-media presentations that can be made replete with subliminal messages and electron surveys to let us know if the subliminal messages are helping to ensure citizens recognize the facts of all situations as well as which products to conveniently buy online.
E. It is no longer necessary to have an independent Judiciary for the purpose of balancing the system through some open and recognizable process put forth hundreds of years ago and refined through a series of amendments.
F. WE NOW HAVE FACT CHECK.ORG, no it is not funded by the government, beholden to the people, nor has a constitutional form of oversight. This is no longer vital. Citizens of this great nation and it’s business and institutions have proven they can always be trusted. The courts and jails are empty and long in disuse. Surely the cost of maintaining an independent Judiciary to be relied upon for important government oversight, checks and balances is no longer required or even wanted by the citizens. They would all prefer to let FACT CHECK.ORG be the arbiter of any and all disputes regarding government and it’s officials as the sole purveyor of fact and resolution.

Hence forth and forevermore FACTCHECK.ORG shall serve the needs of the people in the manner the outdated and unwanted judiciary is unable too.

This is the funniest post yet but believe me many will feel this way and want the Constitution Of The United States OF America to be admended and open to liberal interprtation instead of what The Constitution actually states.

reply to post by SaviorComplex


Grave threat to democracy, take a look at your boy Obama. What he is doing is a very real threat to democracy in America. He will finish democracy as we know it in this country. This man will harm this country in more ways than previous administrations could ever think to. The Democratic (term used loosly) congress has struck the final nail in our coffin. Get ready for civil war john tutor!!!

Originally posted by converge

Originally posted by amari
My thought is this if Obama is found to be lying about being a legal U.S. citizen then according to the Constitution of the United States Of America Obama must be removed from office according to what is written in the Constitution by our absolutely brilliant forefathers.

Let me just ask you this: are you confusing legal US citizen with natural born citizen, or do you honestly believe that Obama might not even be a legal US citizen?

I believe he is not a natural born citizen of the United States Of America and was born in Kenya as his blood Grandmother stated. In question is the proper documentation of him being a citizen of the United States and was the proper paper work ever filed on a timely basis in Hawaii even though he was born in Kenya?

Originally posted by amari

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
AMENDMENT XXVIII
TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
A. While all men have been created equal under one true divine creator not all sources of verifiable factual information are equal.

This is the funniest post yet but believe me many will feel this way and want the Constitution Of The United States OF America to be admended and open to liberal interprtation instead of what The Constitution actually states.

Yes, that's quite a fantasy you have going there.

But since you pick up on this post, I'd like to ask you amari, and the author of the original post, ProtoplasmicTraveler, if you think factcheck.org is an unreliable source and apparently even a threat to our Nation, what is the reliable source you are basing your opinions that Obama isn't a natural born citizen?

I await your reply, thank you.

Originally posted by converge
But you don't consider them a third-party because their statements contradict your personal belief in regards to Obama's birth place.

You would do well not to presume you know my beliefs since I have not stated them in this thread. In reality, if you were to read any other thread I have posted in concerning this I have stated repeatedly that I believe he most likely was born in Hawaii as he says and as is indicated on the COLB.

However, there are many who do not and there are many lawsuits that have been filed seeking to have it verified by the courts. The mere fact that there are people filing lawsuits tells me that this is not going to just disappear until a case makes it to court, is heard, and is decided on. In the interest of not allowing this issue to further divide the country, especially right now with the way our economy is and the severe distrust many have of the government, one of these cases needs to be heard and decided on. It is in the country's best interest for Obama to stop fighting it and stop seeking dismissals. It is in the country's best interest for him to just have it verified by an impartial third-party or submit it to the courts.

That is the reason behind my stance on the subject. Personally, I don't want something as easily cleared up as a COLB or BC to be what tears the country apart. The difference between me and you here is that while I may disagree with those who filed the lawsuits, I still believe that they should be heard. Where you would silence them all, I would have their concerns and their fears heard and satisfied if only to settle the whole thing once and for all.

reply to post by amari

This is the funniest post yet but believe me many will feel this way and want the Constitution Of The United States OF America to be admended and open to liberal interprtation instead of what The Constitution actually states.

I have to say that I think it is hysterical that some people are so partisan inclined or racially motivated or just plain too trusting that they tout a faxed copy, of a scanned copy, scanned yet again and placed on the Internet as satisfactory evidence a constitutional requirement has been dutifully and thoroughly met.

And to think people call me crazy!

Originally posted by amari
I believe he is not a natural born citizen of the United States Of America and was born in Kenya as his blood Grandmother stated. In question is the proper documentation of him being a citizen of the United States and was the proper paper work ever filed on a timely basis in Hawaii even though he was born in Kenya?

Aren't you, the people who are contesting the contrary, supposed to be presenting the evidence to support your case?

All I hear from you guys is a lot of "I believe/heard/think that...", and no tangible evidence.

And then people wonder why the Courts have been dismissing the lawsuits claiming Obama isn't a natural born citizen...

Originally posted by xmotex
reply to post by StonyJ

 

To boil it down to it's simplest form. why can't he just authorize the release of the document???????

He did.

When he did, they said "oh it's fake!"

Then they demanded his hospital long form - I don't even have mine, do you? All I have is the short form, which is the only document that matters, legally.

He's under no more obligation to produce his private hospital records than he is to allow a biopsy to prove he's human and not a Cylon, and to request either is a bit... odd.

He did NOT!!!!

He has produced nothing more meaningful than a Red Lobster Birthday Club certificate!

When I joined the Navy and served in the US Submarine Service, I underwent a detailed investigation of my past...neighbors were interviewed, teachers, family members.

Why is it such a shock to us that the current POTUS would not even qualify for a Top Secret Security Clearance due to his questionable past and affiliations?

reply to post by converge

But since you pick up on this post, I'd like to ask you amari, and the author of the original post, ProtoplasmicTraveler, if you think factcheck.org is an unreliable source and apparently even a threat to our Nation, what is the reliable source you are basing your opinions that Obama isn't a natural born citizen?

Frankly I could care less where the President is from, what he eats for dinner, which shoe he puts on first, whether he uses Old Spice or Mennen.

I do believe though that there is something called an I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-T Judiciary set up under the constitution to act as a L-E-G-I-T-I-M-A-T-E-L-Y empowered oversight and check and balance to other branches of the government.

Why, how, where, would it be in anyone's interest to bypass this important safety valve in favor of half measures and assumptions and silly little things like surely someone must have...

Meanwhile that person is sitting somewhere saying please don't call me Shirley!

If the Supreme Court Ruled I am a Martian I think it would be legally binding pending appeal.

If Fact Check Org said I am a Martian? I bet you dollars to donuts I would still get my Social Security Check anyway.

Peace!

So looking at the image provided that had the sign and stamp on it. I can see that it was completed in 07. Lets say hypothetically a mortgage was created and a note signed back in 1979 that was suppose to mature in 09, yet the bank said you had to pay till 2010. Would you except a document that was created in 09 as valid proof of what happened back in 1979. I think not!! This is essentially what Barrack Obama is asking the American people to do. If Hawaii has the original why would Barrack Obama especially in this fragile time for this great nation not just come out with it. The only plausible reason is deception. With the right of amount of money and connections I would imagine the state of Hawaii could manufacture any document necessary. Not to mention the corruption that has occurred in his own state. With 36% of Citi being owned by the government we are well on our way to socialism. I fully believe that our constitution is nothing more than a sham. Our founding fathers are rolling in there graves. Be prepared, for a little bit of doubt goes a long way in unstable times.

Originally posted by Jenna
The difference between me and you here is that while I may disagree with those who filed the lawsuits, I still believe that they should be heard. Where you would silence them all, I would have their concerns and their fears heard and satisfied if only to settle the whole thing once and for all.

I do not wish anyone to be silenced, I wish that people would put up or shut up, which is substantially different.

We've been hearing the claims that Obama this, Obama that for practically a year now, but you claim Obama wasn't born in the US? Fine, show us the evidence.

You defend that it is not unreasonable that people question Obama's birth place, and no, it's not unreasonable. And is it unreasonable to ask the other side of the argument to present the evidence?

Obama has presented a certificate, Hawaii officials have vouched for it, there has even been a newspaper article from the time found announcing his birth (found by someone trying to dig up dirt on Obama).

On the other side there's what? The belief by a group of people that Obama wasn't born in the US?

Yes, it's mind blowing how the Courts apparently don't take this compelling argument serious enough to even care to listen to the lawsuits...

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I do believe though that there is something called an I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-T Judiciary set up under the constitution to act as a L-E-G-I-T-I-M-A-T-E-L-Y empowered oversight and check and balance to other branches of the government.

I wonder if the Supreme Court accepted one of those lawsuits and ruled Obama qualified to be President, if the people who are contesting his qualifications still thought of the Court has independent...

Anyway, a Court (be it the Supreme Court or any other) will only listen to a legal case. You don't demand the Courts to hear your case - you build up a case and if the arguments are valid your case will get heard.

Why, how, where, would it be in anyone's interest to bypass this important safety valve in favor of half measures and assumptions and silly little things like surely someone must have...

You're assuming the people who have accepted the evidence presented by Obama and his campaign, don't care about this important safety valve.

I care, and many others do as well, and I'm convinced he was born in Hawaii and not because it is my belief but because I looked at the actual evidence that there is to support that notion.

All your side has to do is produce the evidence.

Originally posted by converge
We've been hearing the claims that Obama this, Obama that for practically a year now, but you claim Obama wasn't born in the US? Fine, show us the evidence.

You know, I would love to respond to your post. I really would. But I literally just said I believe he likely was born in Hawaii as he claims and you turn around and respond by saying I claimed he wasn't. This is why conversations such as this one never go anywhere. Those determined to defend him against anything and everything can't even be bothered to actually read what people post.

Originally posted by Jenna
Those determined to defend him against anything and everything can't even be bothered to actually read what people post.

So, that's what I'm doing by asking people who are claiming he wasn't born in the US to present the evidence?

reply to post by converge


No, that's what you did by responding to my post and saying I claimed he wasn't born in Hawaii. In doing so, you showed quite clearly that you didn't actually read my post. Skimmed it maybe, actually read it? Not a chance.