Soldier doubts ( Obama's) eligibility, defies president's orders

What's wrong with Obama being President?

GET OVER IT PEOPLE!

Just criticize him honestly, stop being in denial. OBAMA IS PRESIDENT NOW.

I bet this military officer is some sort of a red neck racist.. like its been said already hes the President.. too late for making a stand now.

Originally posted by sueloujo
reply to post by Agit8dChop

 

Just to make it clear
1. I am not a racist
2. I am not an American so therefore whether it was Biden or Obama made no difference to me
3. He doesnt sway me one way or another with his general persona

What does not wear well with me are his past connections and his history to where he is now. Add this to the secrecy surrounding his birth and you have yourself a conspiracy.
Why am I bothered? Because the USA is very influential in this world and that is where I happen to live.
The following link makes for good reading and if you care to look into any of the facts she talks about, you will find they are true eg he shared a house with elements of the "weather underground".
www.redcounty.com...

It was just a matter of time before they started to roll over that rock again.

These same people that are so afraid and concerned about the Presidency because President Obama may have communicated with a man that is a Professor at a local college and lives in his neighborhood had no qualms about a President that was in bed with the enemy.

If every politician was held accountable for the beliefs and actions of everyone that they have ever talked to, served with or ate dinner with then we would not have any members of government. The halls would be empty. Take a look at those country clubs that most of them hang out in and see what you come up with. Take a trip to the old Bohemian Grove. Look at the members of those wonderful little fraternities that they belonged to.

George Prescott Bush I am sure had more influence on the George Herbert and George W and yet a Nazi collaborator and financier put not one but two grandsons in the Whitehouse.

The tight friendship that the Bushes have with the Saudis was never brought into question and you don't want to start looking at the dinner guest list over the years.

These lame excuses that people keep coming up with shows me just how hopeless, corrupt and sick America really is. No wonder we are dying. We are filled with the cancer of hate, intolerance, ignorance and selfishness.

We are killing America; she is rotting before our eyes and there will nothing left of her to even bury.

I am through here. I can’t stomach this any longer; hate and ignorance has won this one.

reply to post by Masterjaden


If indeed they controlled both parties, why on earth would they risk putting in a 'fake' US citizen against Mccain.
What was wrong with hillary? She's as American as apple pie!

reply to post by Frankidealist35


So, they gave their newborn son the same name as his father.

Hmmmm.....George H. W. Bush --- George W. Bush.

He's still, in the American tradition, a Bush 'Jr.' --- which is probably why "Jeb" wasn't presented as the anointed 'successor', which is unfortunate, because he seems a lot smarter.

Golly, gee willickers!!! IF my birth father abandoned my mother, I certainly wouldn't want to add the moniker 'Jr.' (even though it is only an American moniker....compare to England, where they use "II" or "III" to denote the offspring with the same name....)

It would be interesting to know if he had a nick-name....after his father left. I mean, I'd either CHANGE my name, or agree to a nick....

BUT, if a name is not legally modified, then it's the one you use in legal matters.

EDIT.....I was going to point out that many people use 'stage names'
if they are entertainers.....but, when they sign legal contracts, they MUST use they're birth names. (Are you listening, 'Tom Cruise'?)



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reply to post by nj2day


"Unfortunately, the soldier will end up in court martial...

Obama has been sworn in as president... Thus, he is president, even if he is ineligible.

The military will tell him that its not his job to ask credentials of his president, and that he took an oath to follow the orders of the president.

If he follows through with his dissent, it will result in a court martial and possibly jail time.

Even if you doubt his eligibility for presidency, He still currently holds the position, and thus, still is the president. "

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I don't agree here. The Soldier can claim conscience objection. Dishonorable Discharge appealed to General in six months.

reply to post by 5thElement


"Since when soldiers have rights to question orders ??? "

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A soldier is OBLIGATED to question orders that are unlawful, as they are subject to the penalties of the crime commited regardless of the fact that they may have been following orders.
This actually could turn into something. I doubt it will, but it could.

A clever lawyer could do a lot with these circumstances. Problem is finding a clever lawyer that is also dumb enough to argue it.

reply to post by 5thElement


They have every right to question orders if they even suspect that those orders are illegal/immoral. Soldiers are not robots that are supposed to obey unquestioningly.

However, if they are wrong, there are horrendous repercussions. Court martial and dishonorable discharge, along with possible jail time. Refuse the wrong order at the wrong time, and a death sentence isn't unheard of either, though it's been a while since that's happened...

No, a soldier has every right, infact it's an obligation to do so, if they know, or even suspect an order is unlawful/immoral. Just as they must know of the possible ramifications of doing so.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


Oh yeah, good point. I was under the illusion that his father was Barack H. Obama, Sr. and that our President was born on Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

Thanks for exposing that.

Guess we are back to looking for the real birth certificate, huh? Never could trust the newspapers.

reply to post by Beaux


I was implying that it would be ridiculous to think Obama WASN'T born in Hawaii.

I'm sorry if I confused you. Did I sound like I was making the other side of the argument?

If so, my bad. I thought that he was implying that Obama wasn't born then, and, if he wasn't, then when was he born? That's what I was getting at.

Originally posted by C0le

Originally posted by whitewave
That's pretty standard across the country. There's not one law for the little guy and a different law for the big guy. Obama could solve a lot of this doubt by just SHOWING HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

Yes sir, some people tend to forget about a little thing called RULE OF LAW, but remember folks this doesn't apply to the Messiah.

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Nor does it apply to turdblossom, there is one party, the ruling party, get it??

reply to post by seagull


"Refuse the wrong order at the wrong time, and a death sentence isn't unheard of either, though it's been a while since that's happened... "

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Nah, in theater they'll just shoot you and claim it was the Taliban...

I wouldn't suggest ANYONE refuse to fight once you are on the battlefield. Desertion is a capital offense but you're right, they won't take you to court to put you to death, your Lieutenant will do it on the spot.

reply to post by nj2day


it may endi n courtmartial; but you are wrong!
he and alot of others TOOK AN OATH TO follow he ordrs of the officers above me but also to DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION FROM ALL ENEMIES FOReiGN AND DOMESTIC.

This is exactly why republican propaganda can be dangerous. If crazy right-wingers, and arrogant Clinton supports (ahem.. Berg) had not stoop down to the level of questioning Obama's citizenship, these issues would not be lingering in a nation with real problems at hand.

* In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.
* In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.
* In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.
* In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.
* In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.

How many more cases should be dismissed until these frivolous lawsuits seize? An interesting thing to note, is that a lot of these cases are coming straight out of hillbilly zone - Texas, Ohio, Georgia ... can it be more obvious the real issue is Obama's skin color?

These people need to stop crying, and grow up. As they say, "GG NO RE." As for the soldier, I can only hope and pray he gets court marshaled. I hope he spends time in jail for neglecting to fulfill the duties he enlisted to do - he defines the word cop out. He regrets joining the military, and now he's looking for an excuse to get out. I don't blame any soldier that regrets joining after seeing the true horrors of war - but to use the Obama "eligibility" argument is what makes this man a coward.

I can only hope more begin to ask these types of questions.

We cannot remain on this self-destructive path much longer.

It is time to evolve. People are not meant to war. We are sovereign beings, do not follow orders from anyone but yourself.

It has been said before that the only time this planet will see peace is when our young men and women decide to stop fighting wars.

I think it was a wise man who coined the phrase, although I don't remember who.
I agree.

A hopeless optimist would beg this be the begining of such enlightenment.

reply to post by YHSBtard


another racist comment on obama,except that it is from the other direction this time.
i'm sick of hearing get over it. no...i won't. i want to see proof.
and if you don't like it then get over it.
DO YOU FEEL EMPOWERED BY HIM?
well get over that too.
this idiot is tearing my country apart,usurping the constitution,and overriding his office and power.
let me put it so you can understand it.
if you were in ms13,and your gang leader told you not to kill bloods,wouldn't you quetion him,check him out ,so you know he's not a plant? what if he was just trying to take your turf over? grab your corners and break your gang apart? wouldn't you wanna be knowin?

reply to post by Spectre0o0


You're just opposed to Obama ideologically so you want him out of office.

I support him because he is our President. I disagreed with Bush but I still thought of him as my President.

You sir, are as unpatriotic as the rest.

reply to post by NeonStar


To second NeonStar.....I won't, because I don't know this soldier, go that far.....but, for those witgh very short memories.

2000 election: Controversy because of a VERY close vote count in Florida, which was the State PIVOTAL in the Electoral College to cinch the election for 'W'.

Nationwide, Gore had a 'majority'....but, the Electoral votes were what counted. SO, long story (we already know) George W. Bush was 'declared' the winner, actually after many, many legal maneuvers....but, once Albert Gore conceded, it was over. AND, once GWB was 'sworn in', HE was President. ONLY way to change that fact, under our Constitution, was by a process of Impeachment and subsequent conviction, and removal....but THEN it'd be 'DICK' Cheney!!!! as next in line... (shudder!)

Now, as to President Obama....he was BORN in the State of Hawai'i!!! Last I checked, Hawai'i was a State back in 1961. The nationality of his FATHER is the red herring that keeps washing ashore.....it does not matter that his father was Kenyan!!

It is about WHERE you are born, per the Constitution.....and, to put that bit into perspective, think about the times in the late 1700s...the point then, was.....to prevent the British from wresting control from the early newly free Colonists through some sort of political maneuver that would re-impose the British Crown authority.

Please remember....we love the British today, of course, but back then.....Great Britain was an incredibly Imperialistic Power.....they didn't want to be embarrassed to let North America slip through their fingers.....there was profit to be made here!

Hence, the Constitution was written to PREVENT British aristocrats, or Royals, from tring to re-exert control.

Regardless.....it is where the President is born, not where his FATHER was born!!!

reply to post by Frankidealist35


unpatriotic?
requiring that he fulfill the requirements of the constitution?
did you bring drugs for everyone?

you need to study history again. he is not the first prez to be ineligible.
i''ll even give you a hint 21
do you realize what power this moron has.
he has 43 days oe experience in the senate. this makes you comfortable?
your lack of required proof makes you the unpatriotic one. not to mention just another blind obamatron