Definitive Back Engineered Alien Technology Research thread

reply to post by Phage



I hope that nobody thinks that I'm saying we have been helped in "all" those fields of research. That would be funny if somebody made that mistake.


I posted some of those to help the unfamiliar understand some of the definition of some of the components in the topics being covered.

I suggest going back and looking at the layout again.

reply to post by SLAYER69


You don't really believe it just suddenly appeared in 1962 do you? You don't believe that the wire had been under development for some time before that? That different materials and production techniques were studied. No, I guess you don't.

When products are being developed for commercial applications the research is not generally advertised until patents are acquired.

Originally posted by Phage

No, I guess you don't.

When products are being developed for commercial applications the research is not generally advertised until patents are acquired.

Phage even I'm not that dense.
Of course they do.
That’s a given all I'm saying and I'll say again the people in those fields are the ones they went to, to try and figure out what they had is all.


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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Phage

 

I hope that nobody thinks that I'm saying we have been helped in "all" those fields of research. That would be funny if somebody made that mistake.


I posted some of those to help the unfamiliar understand some of the definition of some of the components in the topics being covered.

I suggest going back and looking at the layout again.

Then what is the purpose for the claim that there are gaps in the progress in those fields? Without such gaps the premise is nothing more than blind speculation. Without some sort of stagnation prior to 1961 (when Corso supposedly started "releasing" the wreckage) the premise (and Corso's claims) falls flat. There is no indication of anything other that ongoing work and progress in those and related fields. A modest amount of research shows that gaps (and leaps) are not there.

reply to post by zysin5

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Thanks for your input.

Again let me take this opportunity to clarify something, we have tried to bring together what we felt was pertinent to this area of investigation; pull the puzzle pieces together so to speak.

Do we have all the pieces?
No!

Do we have all the answers?
No!

Are we asking questions and trying to fit what we have at hand together?
Yes!

So one last time.

The people working in those fields were given the opportunity to examine and later try to recreate it using our already known science in those fields!
First off Corso said “ Fiber Optic Like” Material, which glowed when handled without outside power source other than the hand holding it. We AGAIN as stated before are dealing with two different types of material.
Second with regards to the Mazer, This was covered in one of the video discussions near the end of the OP.

Thanks and yes it does.
Let me take this opportunity to explain that this is not the end all and be all thread, we are "trying" as in attempt to figure out how this is being back/reversed engineered, many seem to think that we are saying that man and his research has nothing to do with the greatest developments in science and technology that is far from the truth!

We feel that while we try to break down the barriers that separates us from knowing how their stuff works and what it is made of, Mankind’s scientific community has made outstanding advances while trying to duplicate what was found with our present understandings.

I feel that those who post in the negative either don’t read and view the entire presentation and assume it’s just another Corso fan/nut writing mindless jabber.

I'm not saying Corso was 100% accurate and I'm not saying the "Aliens" Gave us this technology.

This post was to ask how and why and if anybody else feels the same way We do and would like to help contribute to solving the puzzle of how this could be possible.

Originally posted by theresult
Skeptics : HUMANS MADE EVERYTHING

SLAYER and BOB : Maybe we had some help??

its not a hard question....

The topic is did humans reverse engineer Alien Technology, nothing to do with the creation of life, for some reason you keep mixing them up, I ask previously for some technology that you consider we backwards engineered and you stated LIFE for some reason, just saying that if you want to discuss that topic make a new thread and I'll quiet happy comment on that.

As for this thread I and others here still need an example of technology that does not show a gradual evolution and understaning of said technology.

I am sorry, but I forgot his name. I was born in Poland and there I learn and played with electronics. My friend was working at University as assistant at that time and he was electronic genius.He was working at that time on laser and he had He-Ne.In 1969 having even that kind of a laser was a big thing.
For over 500 years technology was suppressed by a church and when people finally free them self from-new discovery was published.
I do not want to sound like a conspiracy - but if we could access Vatican library - we could find a lot of a interesting stuff.

Good stuff. I seen all these before. I mentioned some of it a few times and got ridiculed so I stopped mentioning this stuff...especially the TR3B and it's gravity wave disruptor and microwave propulsion. It is being rumored Israel got some of these delivered last summer along with 40 neutron bombs.

So, how many people here at ATS took the Blue pill?
Just so you know....I took the Red pill.

reply to post by spitefulgod


err yes??

That is the question did infact we back / reverse enginire alien tech??

You say no we didnt becouse thats us being human ect and we did it all on our own correct???????

Or

We was on our own path and we had some heads up on some stuff we didnt understand but is based on the same thing we understand... as math..

Its not hard realy to think its possible.. i mean you think we can create life in a lab and we cant... if you think we can i think you need to seek help...

Trust me aliens are far more real than "god"

why do i say that? well lets look at some facts

String theory "you pointed out" is based on mathmatics..

You can calculate god becouse it has no value "ie not mesurable"..

aliens are becouse we KNOW there is life... How can we prove we have life? open your eyes kiddo its all about you..

Aliens crash landing here and helping out our understanig of LIFE is a real possiblity.

Your side to the argument is we was made by god "or some kinda thing" and we learnt about it all on our own back..

I dont wish to argue about how smart humans are becouse we aint..

and tbh we cant make live becouse we aint got a clue what it is unless you know something 6.x billon people dont..

Math just kicked ur #

have a nice day

(Mods, please allow my post to go through. I've made a similar post in the past, but it was apparently ignored while I've seen other.. less useful anonymous posts get accepted.)

"Night Vision Another good example from the 1950s

Where Did Thermal Imaging Devices Originate From?: Thermal imaging devices were first developed for military purposes. According to Bullard Thermal Imaging, "In the late 1950s and 1960s, Texas Instruments, Hughes Aircraft, and Honeywell developed single element detectors that scanned scenes and produced line images. These basic detectors led to the development of modern thermal imaging." "


I'm sure it's been posted before, but night vision is not a product of UFOs, and it most certainly isn't a product of the 1950s.

The German army, and later the American army, both had primitive night vision equipment near the end of the war (around 1944). However the Germans used it the most. Development for these systems started as early as 1936, with the first successful prototype being completed in 1939, and mounted on a PAK 35 anti-tank gun.

Notable night vision systems in the German army were the Zielgerät 1229, an STG44 assault rifle with a large and cumbersome in-fared scope and power backpack. They also added this system to the MG34 and MG42 machineguns.

Zielgerät 1229:


Later on they would also mount the night vision system on the Panzerkampfwagen V Panther Ausf G (Sperber/FG 1250), and also the SDKFZ 251

Panther Ausf G (Sperber/FG 1250):


SDKFZ 251 "uhu":



The US M3 carbine with the "snooper scope", was used in limited quantities during 1945 in the Pacific.




So to say that night vision was made in the 50's, let alone by aliens, is just incorrect.

reply to post by theresult


I still don't get your point what does life or god have anything to do with our understanding of technology that we have built or theorised, maths is a natural discovery that I grant you but again our current understanding of maths has been built up over thousands of years. I haven't stated that I believe in or not a creator or the existence of aliens or alien visitation so I don't know where you're pulling your conclusions from.

Trust me aliens are far more real than "god"

I'll make my own opinions on aliens and god, but I see you evidence for such is based on trust.

Aliens crash landing here and helping out our understanig of LIFE is a real possiblity.

Aliens never crash landed here and never helped us out on our understanding of life that is a real possibility


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reply to post by spitefulgod


you dont uderstand what an alien is??

Ok look we are alive ok? yes we all know that. Why who knows? "god knows i guess"... but forget our holy farther lets see what we have here

Our logic as you pointed out is waaay getting better in understaning what we are in

The subject matter at hand deals with LIFE and its affects on another life forme IE ..."US"

Now is it logical to think aliens could crash here? well going on what we know so far and understand "thats easy"... oh

Now we come to the "did it happen part" of the question as slayer is asking

wel did it? Yes it did why? becouse We are alive.. im sorry to point that out in a realy simple way but its true..

The question IS about life dont you see that?

Is an alien alive?? as we see us? yes it is becouse thats our understanding of being alive..

Now the question at hand is did aliens have some affection on our understanding of math or the universe..

Well yes they did.. You see the concept of aliens is a loop.. it is us ?

We could do the same thing slayer is trying to point out here.. its very logical question..

OK so he cant PROVE that alien tech is why we have the tech we have but you can not prove that its not.. thats the main point here in our argument


I say that we cant rule it out becouse we are asking the question! life is alot more # than we can take..

But aliens are very real.. math told me it befor i could fit in god "i never knew what god was"

You see its GOD vs ALIENS at this point... thats the real question

Then il ask WHAT IS God AND what is an alien... the rest is why we are having the debate we are..

Originally posted by spitefulgod
Aliens never crash landed here and never helped us out on our understanding of life that is a real possibility

Source

1897 April 17th: Aurora, Texas
On of the strangest cases involving alleged crashed UFOs, occurred nearly 100 years ago in the town of Aurora, Texas. Many people believe this to be one of many hoaxes started around this time. The year was 1897 during which the U.S. was besotted with hundreds of sightings of strange airships.

1908 June 30th: Tunguska, Siberia
At 7.00am on 30th June 1908 near the lower Tunguska River, Siberia, a large explosion occurred. The explosion was so massive that it caused damage 400 miles away, and was heard even further. Even the heat that came out from the explosion was felt hundreds of miles away.


1947 July 5th: The Plains of San Augustin, New Mexico
The Roswell incident seemed just to involve debris from a craft of some sort, as no main part of the craft/bodies could be found on the Brazel ranch. This led to speculation that the main part of the craft had managed to travel on before coming to rest. The Plains of San Agustin crash became one of the main candidates for this location.

1947 July 31st: Maury Island, Tacoma
This is probably the only case on record of a Hoax indirectly leading to the death of UFO Investigators.

The story surfaced from Ray Palmer (editor of Amazing Stories), regarding a man called Fred Crisman who claimed to have actual physical evidence of a flying saucer.


1947 Oct: Paradise Vally,Arizona
Another alleged crash retrieval took place in Paradise Valley, Phoenix, Arizona 1947 . This crash again came from Frank Scully's information and involved a craft 36feet in diameter, along with 2 humanoid bodies.

The main witness was Selman E. Graves, a former businessman and pilot, who witnessed part of the recovery operation with 2 friends during a hunting trip. In statements Graves reported:

1948 March 25th: Aztec, New Mexico
Author Frank Scully in 1950 released the now infamous book 'Behind the Flying Saucers', in which he reported 4 UFO crash retrieval incidents. (Most of these are now widely believed to be unreliable).

The crash incident occurred near Aztec, New Mexico, 1948. Most of Scully's information came from a 'Dr. Gee', who was in fact a composite of 8 different people from whom Scully had obtained his information.

1952 Sept 9th: Spitzbergen Island, Norway
In June 1952 stories were beginning to come out in the German Press about an alleged UFO crash on the island of Spitzbergen, off the northern coast of Norway.

The stories reported that 6 Norwegian jets were on an exercise flying over the Hinlopen Straits when radio contact was lost due to heavy static interference. At the same time the local radar post at Narvik, was showing a distorted signal of the jet fighters as well as the presence of a UFO.
1953 May 21st: Kingman, Arizona
It is rumoured that a UFO crashed on the 20th May 1953 near the desert town of Kingman, Arizona.

This case was first brought to the publics attention by Raymond Fowler in June 1973. Fowler had obtained evidence from a witness he referred to as 'Fritz Werner'.

1957 Sept 14th: Ubatuba, Brazil
One of the few cases of a crashed UFO and physical evidence is that of the crash that occurred on the beach of Ubatuba, Brazil in September 1957.

The story began when Ibrahim Sued, a journalist with O Globo (a leading Brazilian newspaper), received a letter on 13th September. The letter was signed but was unreadable.

1962 April 18th: Las Vegas, U.S.A
One of the most intriguing crash reports to have surfaced over the years is a report of a crash that occurred in the Air Force Base of Nellis AFB, Nevada in 1962. For many years this case was thought of nothing more than a rumour amongst UFO researchers. However, reports and statements from many eyewitnesses slowly emerged, enough so, for researchers to start digging for more information.
1965 Dec 9th: Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, U.S.A
On 9th December 1965 hundreds of witnesses in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania observed a UFO crash. It first appeared to be nothing more than a spectacular meteorite but 30 years on it is still a source of much controversy amongst UFO researchers.

In March 1966, UFO researcher Ivan Sanderson compiled a detailed account from various eyewitnesses, and soon realised that there was more to this story than that of a simple meteorite.

1989 Nov 4th: Carp, Ontario, Canada
In 1989 one of Bob Oeschler's sources, who called himself 'Guardian', claimed that in a area west of Ottawa a remarkable incident had taken place on 4th November. According to his source an object was tracked on radar over Carp before it fell towards the ground near West Carleton. The area was immediately sealed off and huge helicopters and military units, specially trained to deal with UFO retrievals were flown in. His source also alleged that the aliens themselves were tracked on Radar.

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reply to post by Anonymous ATS


Hey thanks for your reply
I have to get going here in a minute I love that you brought up the German military nightvision info

Corso goes right into great detail in his book and we had infact stole that technology after the war from the Germans which was far superior to ours and that is why we were able to develop it so quickly, what he described as a cell vision lens

The first item mentioned was a two-piece set of dark, elliptical eyepieces. These were as thin as human skin and had originally been attached to the eyes of the creature alledgedly recovered from the crash. The eyepieces illuminated images in low-light conditions. Although they didn't provide perfect night vision, they allowed the wearer to pick up shapes where previously none could be seen

I would add more but out the door I go.

PEACE
SLAY


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Our logic as you pointed out is waaay getting better in understaning what we are in

Any technology created by a human can be described in it's working by that human.

The subject matter at hand deals with LIFE and its affects on another life forme IE ..."US"

Understood... Have aliens affected our development.

Now is it logical to think aliens could crash here? well going on what we know so far and understand "thats easy"... oh

This is were we differ since I don't see why it's such a logical step to assume this, what is it we know and understand about alien visitation?

wel did it? Yes it did why? becouse We are alive.. im sorry to point that out in a realy simple way but its true..

Not too sure what you are getting at, are you stating that our existence could not come about by any other means than by alien intervention, if so where's your proof other than man has not yet created life (as you rightly stated) even though we are coming extremely close to creating a synthetic biological organism.

The question IS about life dont you see that?

No, try breaking it down for me and my limited knowledge.

Is an alien alive?? as we see us? yes it is becouse thats our understanding of being alive..

Not knowing an ET I wouldn't know, an alien visitor could just as well be an automated probe.

Now the question at hand is did aliens have some affection on our understanding of math or the universe..

Well yes they did.. You see the concept of aliens is a loop.. it is us ?

From my understanding of this are you saying that man will evolve to a state of space bearing technology and seed other planets?

We could do the same thing slayer is trying to point out here.. its very logical question..

OK so he cant PROVE that alien tech is why we have the tech we have but you can not prove that its not.. thats the main point here in our argument

I concur it's a stalemate, in such a situation we must follow our own understandings.

I say that we cant rule it out becouse we are asking the question! life is alot more # than we can take..

I still think you are over complicating what life is, life as I understand it at it's most basic level is a collection of organic molecules that can grow, reproduce and evolve.

But aliens are very real.. math told me it befor i could fit in god "i never knew what god was"

Maybe... maybe not, there's no conclusive evidence currently in the public domain that states eitherway.

You see its GOD vs ALIENS at this point... thats the real question

Depending on your understanding of god and aliens you can have none, one or the other or both.

Then il ask WHAT IS God AND what is an alien... the rest is why we are having the debate we are..

God for me is the amalgamation of my inability to understand the origins of the universe. Aliens for me are extraterrestrial being either biological alive or computationally sentient.

reply to post by spitefulgod


Ok so i cant do what you dd via all my talkings..

BUt i do have a logical memory..

yes Life is here... You are I am.. Result = Life

God? = a question / has no paramters NONE udnerstand?

Life has 2 LIFE "being alive" and death "not being alive"..

yes we can be alinens.. why not??? "question" are we alone?

Does math say this? NO it does not IT says INFINIITY and PI.. its tells you "you are not alone" becouse you infact are here...

What does that mean? it gives rise to the posiblity of ALEIN intervention into the human factor "ie time travel"..

Its very easy to dismiss ones "reality" when infact you are posting by that very thing you question

You question this subject when infact you question your own being first...

Does that make 1+1=2? i think not....

Understand one thing here.. aliens are real becouse you are alive.. unless we are alone and god i our bithc..

Take the red pill or the blue pill : btw maths is a pill people take all the time... and thats why i know we are in something alive..

Being alive is the point not aliens.. thats why everything is possible in some respects becouse WE ARE.. "we affect it just by bieng here"...

Sorry to go deep on yawl but we cant create life becouse we waint got a clue ..

slayer is pointing out just one possibiltiy.. and its more sane than god..

Go read a math book..

reply to post by theresult


You comments remind me of the ending of the book "Contact" in which Eli is told that a message from god/universe is encoded within PI itself (an image of a circle after so many million numbers if memory serves), nice ending to the book that is sadly missed from the film. Thanks for the converse boy's I'm off to bed but will give your rantings a thought or two.

reply to post by spitefulgod


i dont want to come across in this manner as "ranting" becouse im not.. nore do i want to..

But its a very deep question did aliens affect our tech tree..

math says life is very much kicking butt here.. we dont understand how the heck life or the universe got going but we do try to understant the workings of life ect,,,

Now with that in mind "us lot being alive to ask what we are" that gives rise to other "alive things" doing just the same thing we are becouse that what math is saying...

Nasa dont go looking for life becouse there aint any "why?" becoue we know for a fact there is "math tells you this"...

Its about being alive thats the most important part

Being alive means = everything to us... can u ask what slayer is if we was never here ?? no.. but we are!!! hence OVER 1 that means its more than going to happen 0.1 = aliens...

in pie we get 0.3333333333333

what is pie? a question! its a question we need not ask...

we know life is here becouse we are! its not hard to think of life someplace els unless you think life is just watching TV ect,, "human apsect"... so if its not that easy cut we add aliens..

And that is what slayer is asking.. did another lifeform affect us "or created" ie creation therory

or shall we say GOD = I DONT KNOW

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It's fun to think about how we might have back or reverse-engineered technology from aliens, but I really don't think it's the case.

You're vastly underestimating our species if you think we couldn't have invented these technologies on our own.

I've read a fair bit of your OP, and to be fair, there is A LOT of information there which I have yet to get to. But from what I've read so far, it appears as if you're trying to say certain inventions like fiber-optics, semi-conductors, and lasers have been reverse-engineered from alien craft?

I believe most certainly that aliens have visited our planet, and likely that a crash DID happen at Roswell. My guess would be that if any technology was recovered, it wasn't made public.

I would also postulate that there is likely technology so advanced on the craft that we have still yet to figure it out.

Just my 2C. I would post more but I'm short on time.

reply to post by JipStix


If i was totaly honest i would say all we know came from some alien being

call it god call it what you wish.. we was CREATED and no one can debunk that little gem..

I think planting a seed in a mind is the same as growing a tree..

ok so say slayer is totaly wrong and we discovered all this stuff on our own..

Understanding what we "think" we know = aliens..

its a loop

Or we are just here to playabout... ie no other life ANYWERE

Do the math.. there is more chace it happend than it didnt..