Definitive Back Engineered Alien Technology Research thread

reply to post by SLAYER69


Why would an advanced alien technology use logic gates when we ourselves are starting to outgrow it and move to Quantum based computing?

Originally posted by SLAYER69


There’s that nasty little gap again.

Notice the jump from theoretical to practical applications?
With further development in the 1960s, Of course they would bring the “Fiber optic like” item to those who are already working that field it only makes since, that they would know more about that type of science.

As I pointed out here and you apparently ignored.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
There was no gap.

It didn't stop in 1954, it continued into the '60s and beyond

1954: Basil Hirschowitz visits Hopkins and Kapany in London from the University of Michigan September 1954: American Optical hires Will Hicks to implement develop fiber-optic image scramblers, an idea O'Brien proposed to the Central Intelligence Agency Summer 1955: Kapany completes doctoral thesis on fiber optics under Hopkins, moves to University of Rochester. Summer 1955: Hirschowitz and C. Wilbur Peters hire undergraduate student Larry Curtiss to work on their fiber-optic endoscope project. Summer 1956: Curtiss suggests making glass clad fibers by melting a tube onto a rod of higher-index glass December 8, 1956: Curtiss makes first glass-clad fibers by rod-in-tube method. February 1957: Hirschowitz is first to test fiber-optic endoscope in a patient. 1957: Image scrambler project ends after Hicks tells CIA the code is easy to break. 1958: Hicks, Paul Kiritsy and Chet Thompson leave American Optical to form Mosaic Fabrications in Southbridge, Mass., the first fiber-optics company. 1958: Alec Reeves begins investigating optical communications at Standard Telecommunication Laboratories 1959: Working with Hicks, American Optical draws fibers so fine they transmit only a single mode of light. Elias Snitzer recognizes the fibers as single-mode waveguides. May 16, 1960: Theodore Maiman demonstrates first laser at Hughes Research Laboratories in Malibu. December 1960: Ali Javan makes first helium-neon laser at Bell Labs, the first laser to emit a steady beam. Circa 1960: George Goubau at Army Electronics Command Laboratory, Bell Telephone Laboratories and Standard Telecommunication Laboratories begin investigating hollow optical waveguides with regularly spaced lenses January 1961: Charles C. Eaglesfield proposes hollow optical pipeline made of reflective pipes May 1961: Elias Snitzer of American Optical publishes theoretical description of single-mode fibers. 1962-63: Alec Reeves at Standard Telecommunications Laboratories in Harlow, UK, commissions a group to study optical waveguide communications under Antoni E. Karbowiak. One system they study is optical fiber. Autumn 1962: Four groups nearly simultaneously make first semiconductor diode lasers, but they operate only pulsed at liquid-nitrogen temperature. Robert N. Hall's group at General Electric is first. 1963: Karbowiak proposes flexible thin-film waveguide. December 1964: Charles K. Kao takes over STL optical communication program when Karbowiak leaves to become chair of electrical engineering at the University of New South Wales. Kao and George Hockham soon abandon Karbowiak's thin-film waveguide in favor of single-mode optical fiber. January 1966: Kao tells Institution of Electrical Engineers in London that fiber loss could be reduced below 20 decibels per kilometer for inter-office communications. Early 1966: F. F. Roberts starts fiber-optic communications research at British Post Office Research Laboratories July 1966: Kao and Hockham publish paper outlining their proposal in the Proceedings of the Institution of Electrical Engineers. July 1966: John Galt at Bell Labs asks Mort Panish and Izuo Hayashi to figure out why diode lasers have high thresholds at room temperature. September 1966: Alain Werts, a young engineer at CSF in France, publishes proposal similar to Kao's in French-language journal L'Onde Electronique, but CSF does nothing further for lack of funding. 1966: Roberts tells William Shaver, a visitor from the Corning Glass Works, about interest in fiber communications. This leads Robert Maurer to start a small research project on fused-silica fibers.

www.sff.net...

[edit on 1/9/2009 by Phage]

Very impressive thread and you've both clearly put a LOT of effort and belief into it

Despite the effort you've put into supporting your contention, it is far from conclusive. Phage has offered some impeccable evidence that the technology you attribute to aliens has a history that predates Roswell. You've neglected to challenge any of his points in a meaningful way.

There's an impression that the conclusion preceded the supporting evidence.

For instance, you lead the reader to draw conclusions about fiber optics without mentioning the history that led up to the bundling of fiber optics. It's well documented that the principles of fiber optics were defined by Jaques Babinet and Daniel Colladon in the 19th Century. Of course, this doesn't 'disprove' your contention, but it does show that science had discovered fiber optics without alien assistance. It reveals a path of discovery that made fiber optics (as we know them) inevitable.

Lasers were conceived by Einstein and predate any 1940s alien technology. Micro technology was heralded by the transistor. I've often read about transistors being the result of Roswell and reverse/back engineering. You cite Corso. Many others have cited him also. A man with provenance and no evidence. The transistor may have made it's debut in 1947, but a great deal of history shows the evolution that led up to it.

There's really no example given that doesn't have a demonstrable history of human invention and discovery that predates Roswell. The first time I recall reading about UFO 'back engineering' was in reference to Bob Lazaar. In a favorable light, he's less than reputable and not somebody you'd swear by. Even those that favor his accounts admit to an element of doubt.

It is a 'Definitive back engineered alien technology thread' but there's no definitive evidence of alien technology being back engineered. The reality is a documented trail of small steps that resulted in the technological leaps we take for granted today. The concept is slightly subversive. It diminishes the progress that Mankind has made.

Newton described, 'Standing on the shoulders of giants' but this quote is more applicable for this thread...

To explain all nature is too difficult a task for any one man or even for any one age. 'Tis much better to do a little with certainty, & leave the rest for others that come after you, than to explain all things by conjecture without making sure of any thing.

edited for grammar and kicking myself for taking so long to write my posts that others make the same points quicker

[edit on 9-1-2009 by Kandinsky]

Well as somebody mentioned earlier in a reply. We have grown so accustomed to having high-tech gadgets that they have become commonplace not realizing just how much tech has gone into like described by the IBM scientist in the video, “Our basic IPod"

[edit on 9-1-2009 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by spitefulgod


Well if its logic then aliens are on the same path... I mean think of it this way if the universe is the way it is.. then Aliens have more or less done the same things we have.. they just took another route..

Is a rock a rock to an alien? well yeah it is No matter how smart they are in the understanding of life

the rock is a rock..

Now Aliens being real "yes they are" Would have to teach US how to get started on this path "or god" so he gave us a tool.. Math

Everything we know is based on our mathamatical understanding of life.. it came befor us... becouse its like our level of understanding ect

What slayer is saying is that have we FOUND a crashed object and merged it with our own tech here on earth "imo" yes we have.. But what freaks me out more is that people seem to forget the word "created"

We was CREATED by something or someone.. that alone gives me reason to be alarmed lol...

keep up the efforts slayer mate oh and bob aswell

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by zysin5

 

Do we have all the pieces?
No!

Do we have all the answers?
No!

Are we asking questions and trying to fit what we have at hand together?
Yes!

Thats not being honest, what you are putting forth is your "truth" that we as humans are dumber than rocks and all this technology could not possibly been developed by mere humans.

While I read and value other opinions and speculation and I am mostly silent, I usually speak out when someone is outright being dishonest...
You are not trying to put together any puzzle, so don't pretend to be doing so. You obviously believe in and are trying to discredit many of the big achivements and milestones the human race has done collectively and asign it to little green men.

(oh and nice "no not velcro" touch at the end to give yourself ever so much more credibility.. good one)


I think the primary motivation for this kind of thing is a limited mind, someone who cannot grasp what something like an inductor or transducer is so he assigns his own limited understanding to the populace at large and says:

"whoa! must have been an alien, cause I sures caint understands it, and if I caints understands it, well pa, no ones else surley can, uh yuk"

While that may not be you exactly, I am sure you habor some element of that. Instead of looking at and learning the science behind it all you look at the complexity and see a brick wall. If you can't see through the wall, how would anyone else be able to. Right? Must be alien.

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Well now, massive discoveries during one period and then not much for a while, them bam.. some more.
I'm sold, must be aliens no other explainations are possible.. now look at these videos!
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I find that not only small minded, but disgusting.
(although I still appreciate the links and videos)
And whats with all the debunker nonsense? None of this needs to be debunked.. seriously.

Like you need a debunker to come in and say "XXX developed this, XXX developed that" any idiot can claim that there is "no way to get there from here" and I believe that is what you are doing here.

One last thing:

How the HELL is this "Definitive"

Is this the end, the end all be all? You just proved in this thread without a doubt "difinitively" that all our greatest achivments are bogus alien reverse "backward" engineering? We can all go home now and close down ATS because YOU have come up with the proof?


Please.....

reply to post by Kandinsky


Hey thanks Kandinsky

I will not defend that stance anymore because I have now stated several times in the past 4 or 5 pages what I feel is important regarding this and it is strange that with all that I presented the only real weak links that keeps coming up is Fiber optics and the laser.

So one last time.

The people working in those fields were given the opportunity to examine and later try to recreate it using our already known science in those fields!

First off Corso said “ Fiber Optic Like” Material, which glowed when handled without outside power source other than the hand holding it. We AGAIN as stated before are dealing with two different types of material.
Second with regards to the Mazer, This was covered in one of the video discussions near the end of the OP.

Doesn’t anybody read all the replies anymore?

reply to post by theresult


What I was stating is that our computing technology is based on logical gates, even at our current position (some 80 years of having computers) we are starting to outgrow them and are making moves on new systems like quantum computers that use nothing resembling logic gates. If we are to presume these aliens are so advanced they also would have come across the limitations of using digital logic gates and moves on to something else like quantum computing. So if we never came up with silicon chips / transistors and logic gates and we are to assume that these aliens are indeed using advanced technology which will no doubt not be using logic gates and probably not using binary systems..... how did we get a hold of it without coming up with it ourselves?

[edit on 9/1/2009 by spitefulgod]

Originally posted by spitefulgod
reply to post by theresult

 

What I was stating is that our computing technology is based on logical gates, even at our current position (some 80 years of having computers) we are starting to outgrow them and are making moves on new systems like quantum computers that use nothing resembling logic gates. If we are to presume these aliens are so advanced they also would have come across the limitations of using digital logic gates and moves on to something else like quantum computing. So if we never came up with silicon chips / transistors and logic gates and we are to assume that these aliens are indeed using advanced technology which will no doubt not be using logic gates and probably not using binary systems..... how did we get a hold of it without coming up with it ourselves?

I hate to quote so close to your post but
With that thinking we HUMANS are assuming that what they had and where by trying to decipher theirs we are talking about the same type of processors and or same type of computing process, Linear & binary computing is dead

and I agree with you Two things may apear to be the same or act the same on the surface but the nuts and bolts and how it actually works could be Light years apart

reply to post by spitefulgod


Further more
I think a better description for what Corso was talking about when he mentions micro level circuitry which we all assume meant the micro chip type technology was probably closer to a neural based circuitry similar to what the scientist in the second video meant when he explains what nature has already

Originally posted by SLAYER69
I hate to quote so close to your post but
With that thinking we HUMANS are assuming that what they had and where by trying to decipher theirs we are talking about the same type of processors and or same type of computing process, Linear & binary computing is dead

and I agree with you Two things may apear to be the same or act the same on the surface but the nuts and bolts and how it actually works could be Light years apart

THe two things do not work the same or act the same, there is absolutely no way you could figure a IC Chip from the way a quantum computer works. The main reasons for the todays technological boom

Idustrial revolution
Electricity
Communications
Population density
War

reply to post by gormly


Hey thanks for replying
I appreciate the time you took to reply.
I'll just say this post is what it is.

And that I've gone over how and why feel the way we do about this several time throughout the post, You would have to agree that it gets a little tiresome answering the same question several times.


It may not be the answer people want.
Nothing I can do about that.


[edit on 9-1-2009 by SLAYER69]

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by spitefulgod

 

Further more
I think a better description for what Corso was talking about when he mentions micro level circuitry which we all assume meant the micro chip type technology was probably closer to a neural based circuitry similar to what the scientist in the second video meant when he explains what nature has already

Many people in the field of AI are moving away from simulated neural nets and working directly with manipulation of living neural cells. I assume an advanced civilisation would be using the same and definitely not a digital (non analogue) system.

Our understanding of what we are in is the same as an aliens.. Granted we may be miles behind.. But a rock is still a rock..

A logical gate is a logical gate in that respect...

But what slayer and bob are saying.. and its still true

Our mind Does not match our level of techincal abiltiy... over time "we would have got to this point yes" But we are OVER developed with tech..

We make stuff we dont understand becouse IT WAS NOT OURS.. it was given to us...or we found it..

I think we had our own tech tree given to us from the start.. our god creator whatever.. then we found another bunch doing the same thing we are doing down here.. but way way past were we are in terms of tech...

It is very easy to hybrid tech more so becouse they are both based on the same thing as you pointed out yourself.. its tech "tree"...

I still think his point is valid

And what makes me think he is right ?? Well we still have wars for a start but yet we can do all this "magic" and wizzardy we dont even understand...

Why do we seek? it .. who is to say your asking the question for someone els..??

hes Not saying We are to stupid.. becouse we are not but what i think he is saying is our development has had some help along the way and hes pointing out ONE inccedent "roswell".. for some of our techleaps

he makes a logical argument..

and read what he says more it helps

Originally posted by spitefulgod


THe two things do not work the same or act the same, there is absolutely no way you could figure a IC Chip from the way a quantum computer works. The main reasons for the todays technological boom

Idustrial revolution
Electricity
Communications
Population density
War

Hey thanks again for your opinion.
and I agree with most of it.

but keep in mind what we think is the end all be all in technology compared to them, "IF" they are real is infantile to what they may have.
IMHO

reply to post by Phage


Hey Phage sorry buddy, I didnt mean to just take off without replying.

I think we are not just not communicating or something here.

1954: Basil Hirschowitz visits Hopkins and Kapany in London from the University of Michigan September 1954: American Optical hires Will Hicks to implement develop fiber-optic image scramblers, an idea O'Brien proposed to the Central Intelligence Agency Summer 1955: Kapany completes doctoral thesis on fiber optics under Hopkins, moves to University of Rochester. Summer 1955: Hirschowitz and C. Wilbur Peters hire undergraduate student Larry Curtiss to work on their fiber-optic endoscope project. Summer 1956: Curtiss suggests making glass clad fibers by melting a tube onto a rod of higher-index glass December 8, 1956: Curtiss makes first glass-clad fibers by rod-in-tube method. February 1957: Hirschowitz is first to test fiber-optic endoscope in a patient. 1957: Image scrambler project ends after Hicks tells CIA the code is easy to break.

I never said they gave it to us or that we could not get there without their help. I agree we were already working in those fields.


It Was fiber optic like material

[edit on 9-1-2009 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by gormly


He is not Debunking anything... hes SHOWING you something.. showing you what??

Hes trying to show you the level our minds does not match our techincal abilty...

We had help.. help with what? Understaning tech WAY beond our own thinking...

And yes we could have come up with all this stuff "BUT IT WOULD HAVE TOOK ALOT LONGER"

we got a please pass go card.. ect

Originally posted by theresult
Our understanding of what we are in is the same as an aliens.. Granted we may be miles behind.. But a rock is still a rock..

A logical gate is a logical gate in that respect...

But what slayer and bob are saying.. and its still true

Our mind Does not match our level of techincal abiltiy... over time "we would have got to this point yes" But we are OVER developed with tech..

We make stuff we dont understand becouse IT WAS NOT OURS.. it was given to us...or we found it..

I think we had our own tech tree given to us from the start.. our god creator whatever.. then we found another bunch doing the same thing we are doing down here.. but way way past were we are in terms of tech...

It is very easy to hybrid tech more so becouse they are both based on the same thing as you pointed out yourself.. its tech "tree"...

I still think his point is valid

And what makes me think he is right ?? Well we still have wars for a start but yet we can do all this "magic" and wizzardy we dont even understand...

Why do we seek? it .. who is to say your asking the question for someone els..??

hes Not saying We are to stupid.. becouse we are not but what i think he is saying is our development has had some help along the way and hes pointing out ONE inccedent "roswell".. for some of our techleaps

he makes a logical argument..

and read what he says more it helps

Just because you can't figure it doesn't make it impossible, take your understanding to the likes of Einstein, and Hawkins, you bring it down to the level of "I can't figure out how it works, so that means no human can" What absolutely stupid and ignorant view, I hope that isn't what bob and slayer are trying to describe.

Originally posted by spitefulgod
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Why would an advanced alien technology use logic gates when we ourselves are starting to outgrow it and move to Quantum based computing?

Why would we?

Dont think of being the road think of being On one.. leading to a point

Aliens are doing this "or have" .. i just think they helped kickstart it buy crashing here

as slayer is trying to SHOW not prove..

he cant prove it becouse its OUR tech but our minds aint on the same level

btw that is proven...

Originally posted by spitefulgod

Many people in the field of AI are moving away from simulated neural nets and working directly with manipulation of living neural cells. I assume an advanced civilisation would be using the same and definitely not a digital (non analogue) system.

I agree again the scientist working on nano sized technology in that video mentioned almost the exact thing. When he mentioned what nature has already created on the nano sized engineering.

How we will learn how to utilize this knowledge is anybody’s guess this is like mentioned in the 3rd or 4th video is the wave of the future with applications based on this is simply mind-blowing.
The implementations of this new technology are infinite