Definitive Back Engineered Alien Technology Research thread

Originally posted by spitefulgod


Exactly he would have invented it, not an alien and theresult the would not have figured out what it was as they did not have electricity, I only used it as an example of what we would do with technology from an advanced civilisation (hubdreds, thousands, millions of years in advance) the further in front they are the less chance we have of figuring what they have.

But again we are talking about the military during the cold war where secrets were paramount to National security and try and think in that old cold war mentality If there is the slightest possibility of giving us an advantage over the soviets it would have been explored and eploited, let’s face it the goons at the pentagon are not the best and the brightest when it comes to R&D

That’s why they have universities, think tanks and research facilities handling these types of endeavors.






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reply to post by jdub297


Thanks for your opinion
Noted.

reply to post by spitefulgod


oh realy? my my the mind does wonder far !

Just like that... LOL

reply to post by theresult


yes just like that, as in the same case as technology you fail to see the simplicity of things by note breaking things down past the sum of their parts. Go study some biology, physics and chemistry even with a small understanding you'll be able to start to figure how things are put together.

reply to post by spitefulgod


lol...

How about you read my thread "debate :math:

I study far to much But thanks for the heads up...



You asked me to prove a tech that We do not know of and that is the creation of life..

Your simplisct "amio acid + electricity" is so dumb its crackers..

If that was the case why not create human robots with a mind as we all sit back and them do the work for us...

Silly...


NewsFLASH : we cant!!

back on topic please....

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reply to post by theresult


Your reply shows your ignorance, please try to read up
Amino acids and the origins of life (I believe this is usually taught in schools)

Just because you can't grasp it doesn't mean it can't be done, again the concluesion of this thread I believe

Superconductors:

1864 - Olszewski and Wroblewski predict reduction of electrical resistance at low temperatures

1911 - Heike Kamerlingh Onnes observed loss of electrical resistance in mercury when cooled to 4 degrees Kelvin

1912 - Onnes demonstrates the usability of superconductivity

1913 - Onnes receives Nobel prize for his research. Superconducting temperature of lead is found.

1933 - Meissner and Ochsenfeld discover the "Meissner effect", the creation of a reversed magnetic field in a superconductor causing magnetic repulsion from a normal permanent magnet (has nothing to do with gravity).

1941 - Superconducting temperature of nobium nitride is found.

1950 - Landau and Ginzburg develop a mathematical model of superconductivity

1957 - Bardeen, Cooper, and Schrieffer develop the complete theory of superconductivity based on quantum mechanical principles

1962 - Little-Parks effect discovered. First commercial superconducting wire developed. Josephson effect predicted.

In 1973 the highest Tc material known was Nb3Ge (23K). It was not until 1986 that higher temperature materials were discovered.


I see no jumps, no gaps. The R&D on superconductors and their application has been long and slow. It is a highly technical and intensively theoretical field.

reply to post by spitefulgod


Just because you can't grasp it doesn't mean it can't be done, again the concluesion of this thread I believe

Read this again sir...

It is not that HUMANS do not UNDERSTAND what it is we are in...

IT is a fact WE can not create life from NOTHING ie atoms..

What makes an acid what makes up electicity??

I think you are the one who needs to study sir..

We do not KNOW how to create LIFE we can play with LIFE that is already here "ie grow the crap" but we can not MAKE IT becouse we dont know what it is to be ALIVE..

You answer your own question even when you try to be a smartypants..

Becouse if we did know how to create life from NOTHING we WOULD BE GOD and sorry to point this out WE AINT....

We dont know HOW we got here OR what made US..

Oh wait lighting bolt hits soup and makes life.. is that what you are saying???

tsk..

Just to add.. they once told you the world was flat...

If you are telling me that becouse we know how to germinate life.. yes you are correct.. we do this making babies...

We do NOT know HOW or the PROSCESS at an atomic level WHY we get life..

You are the one being simple.. NOT ME.. OR shall i get out a science book and you can tell me how atoms become life..

becouse we DONT KNOW !!!!

Or did a miss a newsflash on the tv "MAN CREATES A SENTIANT BEING from atoms..

I mean cmon?? Atleast admit we AINT GOT A CLUE..

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reply to post by Phage


Can you provide links and or the source that ties all this and other replies together in those time lines?


Please thanks


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reply to post by theresult


You question was

The way to create Life...

very simple..

Example was given you've now moved your question onto the makeup of the universe for that I suggest you consult the latest on string and quantum theory

reply to post by SLAYER69


Superconductivity:
www.thenakedscientists.com...
superconductors.org...
enjoy.phy.ntnu.edu.tw...
iguanaworks.net...

Oh, this one (of course)
en.wikipedia.org...

I provided my other sources in their respective posts.


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reply to post by spitefulgod


Got my own.. "cell theory"

have a nice day..

Originally posted by spitefulgod
Example was given you've now moved your question onto the makeup of the universe for that I suggest you consult the latest on string and quantum theory

Ahh string and quantum physics the infinite possibilities in the Microcosm
Even Hawkins has done an about face on that.

I like your way of thinking even though we dont see eye to eye on this one I'll keep my eye on your threads

reply to post by theresult


Please create a separate thread on the make up of life and evolution of sentience as it's a topic worth discussing, send me a U2U when you've done, I don't want to go too far off topic here.

reply to post by Phage


Give me a minute lots of cut and paste to do

In 1933 Meisner discovered that some superconductors were even more complex than this. As you cool them down they will start to repel a magnet even if the magnet doesn't move. So there can be no induction of currents, they just start flowing of their own accord. This spooky effect can't be explained by conventional physics so theorists had to resort to quantum mechanics.


During the 1950's the understanding of superconductors slowly got more sophisticated through the work of Landau and Ginzberg and then Bardeen, Cooper and Schriefer. They came up with a theory that explained superconductivity as being due to an interaction between the electrons and the lattice of atoms in the material. This interaction causes the electrons to be weakly attracted to one another. The electrons to form pairs (known as Cooper Pairs). Electrons are known as fermions which means no two electrons can be in the same state (the same position energy and momentum) which is why matter doesn't always collapse down under gravity to form black holes. However there is no such constraint on a pair of electrons, so all the superconducting electrons can fall into the same state. This is very closely related to a Bose-Einstein condensate, which is the same effect but for whole atoms.

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No big gaps but interesting non the less thanks for the links I'll check them out one at a time

In subsequent decades other superconducting metals, alloys and compounds were discovered. In 1941 niobium-nitride was found to superconduct at 16 K. In 1953 vanadium-silicon displayed superconductive properties at 17.5 K. And, in 1962...

reply to post by Phage

Also starting in 1934, at the Clarendon Laboratory at Oxford, two
refugees from Nazi Germany, brothers Heinz and Fritz London, worked out the
phenomenological theory of the electromagnetic behavior of superconductors.
Although still very far from a microscopic theory, these were the first, essential
steps towards conquering the problem.17
The Second World War interrupted research in superconductivity just as the First
World War had done. It was not until about 1950 that real progress began once
again to be made. The phenomenon still resisted any true microscopic understanding,
but some pieces of the puzzle did begin to come together, particularly in the
phenomenological model of Vitaly Ginzburg and Lev Landau.

When I read these my question is always the same why if the US and others are in the middle of a world war and they are feverishly looking for any technical advancement for the arms industry so they can exploit it as a weapon why are all these fields of research put on the back burner?

reply to post by spitefulgod


this has everything to do with this topic im mearly correcting you in your statements..

Skeptics : HUMANS MADE EVERYTHING

SLAYER and BOB : Maybe we had some help??

its not a hard question....

I think its possible... end of story and he backs it up with tech.. we dont know what led to them "omg guess what" moments..

And If how you make it a simple thing about mixing a with b.. then there is no god just a level of inteligence

or am i just wording that in a manner you dont understand or grasp.. as you put it?...

Im on topic trust me..

reply to post by Phage


nobody doubts that people were working in this field but that some have been helped by sudden and interesting advances

In 1962, the first commercial superconducting wire, a niobium-titanium alloy, was developed by researchers at Westinghouse.
In the same year, Josephson made the important theoretical prediction that a supercurrent can flow between two pieces of superconductor separated by a thin layer of insulator. This phenomenon, now called the Josephson effect, is exploited by superconducting devices such as SQUIDs. It is used in the most accurate available measurements of the magnetic flux quantum h/e, and thus (coupled with the quantum Hall resistivity) for Planck's constant h. Josephson was awarded the Nobel Prize for this work in 1973.

In 1973 Nb3Ge found to have Tc of 23 K which remained the highest ambient pressure Tc until the discovery of the cuprate high temperature superconductors in 1986 (see below).

Also when did I ever post that Superconductivity was manna from heaven?

Could some be confused by what I was showing as to how the Aliens could be using it and how it may apply to their level of propulsion?