Definitive Back Engineered Alien Technology Research thread

Originally posted by smokecrops
not sure if this has been mentioned yet, as I did not take the time to read every response on every page of the post, but in the OP the term "back engineered" was repeatedly used, and I just wanted to let you know the correct terminology is "reversed-engineered." Actually now after typing this I feel somewhat certain this has probably been mentioned already.....

True,
While writing this I felt people who have been looking at this field are more familiar with the term Back Engineered rather than reverse engineered but you are correct.


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Originally posted by simon_alex0327

Security Classification
The fiber optics portion of the camera is classified CONFIDENTIAL; however, it is incorporated within the camera case and is not visible from the outside. Personnel without security clearance are permitted to handle and operate the camera only under the surveillance of a person with clearance. Performance data recorded during camera tests will not be classified. The camera must be kept in a secure area when not in use.

Interesting, does this help???

Thanks and yes it does.
Let me take this opportunity to explain that this is not the end all and be all thread, we are "trying" as in attempt to figure out how this is being back/reversed engineered, many seem to think that we are saying that man and his research has nothing to do with the greatest developments in science and technology that is far from the truth!

We feel that while we try to break down the barriers that separates us from knowing how their stuff works and what it is made of, Mankind’s scientific community has made outstanding advances while trying to duplicate what was found with our present understandings.

I feel that those who post in the negative either don’t read and view the entire presentation and assume it’s just another Corso fan/nut writing mindless jabber.

I'm not saying Corso was 100% accurate and I'm not saying the "Aliens" Gave us this technology.

This post was to ask how and why and if anybody else feels the same way We do and would like to help contribute to solving the puzzle of how this could be possible.



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Slayer69, kudos to you my friend! Now thats how to make an ATS thread worth a star and flag!
Alot of great material here! Good stuff for those of us well on our way to understanding the occult knowledge that has been broken off into little shards and puzzle pieces!

I've found alot of stuff that could go back to alien technology!
Alot of people seem to miss out on some of the greatest alien tech. Our bodies! We are machines built to hold energy. And these great machines have become the mondane. When we look at our own bodies, we tend not to think of alien tech. But I know deep down, that humans where created by other lifeforms. There is so much to tell and so much to know that it is overwhelming at times.
As just within the last 100 years.. Look at everything we have.. Its nothing short of amazing.
Yet you can look back in time too.. And learn of others like us who made it so far, only to be destroied.. And we start all over again.
We are on the brink again.. Will it happen again?

Either way.. Good read!

Originally posted by Davood
That's all fine and dandy about the timing of those discoveries, but what about interviews with these people? some of them must still be alive? Did they ever talk about where/how they came up with the stuff?

If it's all just a timing correlation, then the "evidence" is just coincidence.

The "gap" in discoveries between 1930 and 1950s is because of... the war!

Mind you I only took a cursory glance at all the links posted in the started of the thread. Did anyone find any evidence of what I mentioned? (where they got their "inspiration" from?)

Thank you.

Deny ignorance!

WW2 didn't begin until 1939. The worldwide economic depression was one of the factors for lack of technological advancement. No money was available for research and no one could have afforded to purchase the advanced technology.

The sudden leap in technological advancement was BECAUSE of the world wide war. The governments involved found it imperative to do research that would contribute to the war effort and funded it accordingly.

It only showed up afterwards as it was declassified. Also there was a recession after the war ended and money was still tight and thousands of military were discharged to no jobs.

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Thanks for your input.

Again let me take this opportunity to clarify something, we have tried to bring together what we felt was pertinent to this area of investigation; pull the puzzle pieces together so to speak.

Do we have all the pieces?
No!

Do we have all the answers?
No!

Are we asking questions and trying to fit what we have at hand together?
Yes!

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Id like to talk a little bit about the first video. And building from the atom up! I remember back in highschool. There was an artical in a science artical about Carbon 60. Carbon 60 is said to be so strong that it can only be created from the atom up!

Like for instance you want to make a suit, or a sword made of carbon 60.
You could not create the carbon 60 and then fashion your design.

You would have to create it from the atom up! As once carbon 60 is in place. Nothing can cut it! Not even diamond. It was said carbon 60 is so strong that it could be used in drills to make it to the core of the earth.

Carbon 60 is said to be able to withstand kalvins of heat.. Such sources of heat that come from stars.. Or our sun!

So I think they are very well on their way to working more with carbon 60 or another such material.. This was back in 1991 when I first learned of Carbon 60.. So Im sure they have something even more wonderful kept under strict wraps.

I belive this is how alien space crafts are created.. From the atom up!
As material that is so very strong it would be close to indestructable!
However I have always thought of a sword.. Being sharpened down to the atom! Just how deadly would such a sword be. If you even touch the blade you would lose digits! And it would have 1 perfect use. But as with any kind of blade.. Once you use it, it becomes dull.

So many things could come out of building from the atom up! So many good things.. Yet so many dark and vile weapons.. that man just seems to have a deep love for!

Its all part in the riddle of steel.

Ahh bucky balls.

Thanks here is a link so some can get on board.
Carbon-60

‘Buckytubes’ is a colloquial term for carbon nanotubes (cylinders of carbon atoms arranged in hexagons), which are typically capped by half a fullerene at each end. They were proved to be 200 times tougher than any other known fibre by Israeli and US materials scientists in 1998. Applications envisaged include using the new molecules as lubricants, semiconductors, and superconductors, and as the starting point for making new drugs

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Originally posted by zysin5


I belive this is how alien space crafts are created.. From the atom up!
As material that is so very strong it would be close to indestructable!
However I have always thought of a sword.. Being sharpened down to the atom! Just how deadly would such a sword be. If you even touch the blade you would lose digits! And it would have 1 perfect use. But as with any kind of blade.. Once you use it, it becomes dull.



Its all part in the riddle of steel.

I'm not a big fan of Bob Lazar but he did mention something that kind of fits.

He mentioned that everything in the "supposed Alien" craft seemed to be very smooth almost like injection molded.

How would something built from the Atom up look and feel?





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ok first of all...all these are human engineered inventions that took countless years and countless tests dogged by failure to arrive at what we seeposted here today....If we're to believe we got anything from some reverse engineered alien species we must then sit back and ponder the question of....if thats the case what the HELL took so long? and why bother with QA/ R&D/ and testing that has claimed countless lives?! The most simple of questions inevitabley will disprove the very notion of what the OP is relaying to you.

There would be no reason for any looong protracted evolution of said ideas/inventions.

wow awesome thread guys!

i am with you on this, i am convinced that most of your conclusions are accurate and reasonable

and i have studied this subject for many years now, and i think you are definatly on the right track to the truth

this thread gets 2 thumbs up from me

I love reading your threads becouse they are well laid out!!! s+f

What if the ufo didnt crash then?? would we still have all this wonderfull stuff?

human evolution "in tech" tree

vs

Human evolution "in tech" + "alien tech" tree

= human/alien hybrid tech tree?

is that correct? or am i getting this wrong?

Originally posted by Bob Down Under
Hi Spite

We are not saying humans are not capable of some of the above inventions/developments or the insight.

Lets just say some things were, how can I put it? as being presented to be studied and developed.

Forget witchcraft your way out there my friend and I will not even go there.

Tech thats been reversed/back engineered as they say, same thing different terminology, which has been going on with weapon tech since WWI

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Look I know what you are trying to say.. I mean if we went back just 20 and show the people then the technology today they'd gasp in awe, but let's take for example the Silicon chip (obviously one of mankind’s greatest achievements behind the discover of electricity and the wheel and precursor to much of today’s technology)

The Silicon chip is nothing more the panicle of computing technology that has been evolving for more than 80 years. First it started off on paper as logical gates, these are understandable by anyone who has studied them and can be drawn up to create complex systems that mimic the basic concepts of modern computation. From the paper form these moved across into production using components available at the time these being vacuum tubes and wires. You’ve all seen the pictures massive machines used to calculate long, repetitive mathematical computations in the 40s, from here they moved onto miniaturising the machines (as you would expect) and so the transistor is born. Again based on the idea of the logic gate and a miniaturised version of the vacuum tube serving the same purpose but smaller, there’s nothing really to explain about this. From there you have the silicon based transistor, the exact same as a transistor created on a silicon wafer.

Now please tell me what part of the silicon chip is backwards engineered, is it the idea of the logic gate? The Vacuum tube? The transistor? Or the Silicon fabrication process itself? From what I see it’s the evolution of a simple idea… nothing more.

Logic Gate evolves into
Vacuum Tube which evolves into
the Transistor which them moves onto
the Silicon Chip

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FibreOptics

of optical transmission. It depended on the phenomenon of total
internal reflection, first demonstrated in 1841 by Daniel Colladon with his famous
luminous fountain experiment. Jacques Babinet, a French specialist in optics,
extended the principle to guiding light along bent glass rods and even suggested using
it as dental illuminators, an idea that would surface half a century later.
The use of glass dates back 4500 years to ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. The
Egyptians made coarse fibres by 1600 BC, and fibres survive as decorations on

Egyptian pottery dating back to 1375 BC. In the Renaissance, Venetian glass makers
used glass fibres to decorate the surfaces of plain glass vessels. During the eighteenth
and nineteenth century, the use of glass fibres was mainly confined to woven fabrics.
Nobody paid much attention to the fabrics on display. However, researchers learnt
about the mechanics of glass fibres and the properties of molten glass. In time, that
would prove valuable knowledge for developers of optical fibres.
Optical fibres are essentially transparent rods of glass or plastic stretched so that they
are long and flexible. The first person to have demonstrated image transmission
through a bundle of optical fibres was Heinrich Lamm, a medical student in Munich.
His goal was to look inside inaccessible parts of the body, and in a 1930 paper, he
reported transmitting the image of a light bulb filament through a short bundle.
However, the unclad fibres transmitted images poorly, and the rise of the Nazis forced
Lamm, a Jew, to move to America and abandon his dreams of becoming a professor
of medicine.

In 1954, Abraham van Heel, Harold H. Hopkins and Narinder Kapany separately
announced imaging bundles in the prestigious British journal entitled Nature. Neither
van Heel nor Hopkins and Kapany made bundles that could carry light far, but their
reports sparked the fibre optics revolution. The crucial innovation was made by van
Heel, who covered a bare fibre with a transparent cladding of lower refractive index.
This protected the total-reflection surface from contamination, and greatly reduced
crosstalk between fibres.

By 1960, glass-clad fibres had an attenuation of about 1 dB/m, fine for medical
imaging, but far too high for communications.
Meanwhile, telecommunications engineers were seeking more transmission
bandwidth. Radio and microwave frequencies were heavily in use, so they looked
towards higher frequencies to carry loads they expected to continue increasing with
the growth of television and telephone traffic. Telephone companies thought video
telephones lurked just around the corner, and would escalate bandwidth demands even
further.

In 1966 Charles K. Kao concluded that the fundamental limit on glass attenuation is
below 20 dB/km, which would be practical for communications. The race was on to
find lowloss fibres suitable for optical communications.
It took four years to reach Kao's goal of 20 dB/km, and the route to success proved
different from what many had expected. Most of the researchers tried to purify the
compound glasses used for standard optics, which are easy to melt and draw into
fibres. At the Corning Glass Works (now Corning Inc.), Robert Maurer, Donald Keck
and Peter Schultz started with fused silica, a material that can be made extremely
pure, but has a high melting point and low refractive index. They made cylindrical
preforms by depositing purified materials from the vapour phase, adding carefully
controlled amounts of dopants to make the refractive index of the core slightly higher
than that of the cladding, without raising the attenuation dramatically. In September
1970, they announced that they had made single -mode fibres with an attenuation of
below 20 dB/km at 633 nm.

The Corning breakthrough was among the most dramatic of many developments that
opened the door to fibre optic communications.
During the 1970s researchers from mainly AT&T, GTE, Corning and Bell Systems
actively pursued various building blocks to complete the first commercial fibre optic
communication system. The main field of research focused on continuous -wave
room-temperature semiconductor lasers, low-loss fibres and fibre optic transmission
windows. By April 1977, the first fibre optic cables to be used for live traffic were
independently installed by GTE and AT&T. They operated at 6 Mb/s and 45 Mb/s
respectively.

The first-generation systems could transmit light several kilometres without repeaters,
but were loss limited by an attenuation of about 2 dB/km. A second generation soon
appeared, using InGaAsP lasers, which emitted at 1300 nm, where fibre attenuation
was as low as 0.5 dB/km, and pulse dispersion was somewhat lower than at 850 nm. A
new generation of single -mode systems was just beyond the horizon, to operate at
1550 nm with fibre loss at 0.2 dB/km, allowing even longer repeater spacings. ,


The fourth generation of lightwave systems makes use of optical amplification to
increase the repeater spacing and of WDM (wavelength-division multiplexing) to
increase the bit rate. The fourth-generation systems revolutionized optical
communications, making long-haul oceanic networks even more attainable.

Full Article

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Excellent question and that is the question isn’t it?
I feel and this is just an opinion not the gospel truth! That we would have been on the path that we now find ourselves on anyway.

We may not have had such an explosion of ideas and development coming at us all at once which is what happened and they seem to have come to advancements at or near the same time frame, and they seem to be totally unrelated to each other on the surface but when we started digging deeper and ignored the nay Sayers, we found and are still finding more consistencies than not.



Time will tell
Thanks for posting a reply

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Optical fibres are essentially transparent rods of glass or plastic stretched so that they
are long and flexible. The first person to have demonstrated image transmission
through a bundle of optical fibres was Heinrich Lamm, a medical student in Munich.
His goal was to look inside inaccessible parts of the body, and in a 1930 paper, he
reported transmitting the image of a light bulb filament through a short bundle.
However, the unclad fibres transmitted images poorly, and the rise of the Nazis forced
Lamm, a Jew, to move to America and abandon his dreams of becoming a professor
of medicine.

In 1954, Abraham van Heel, Harold H. Hopkins and Narinder Kapany separately
announced imaging bundles in the prestigious British journal entitled Nature. Neither
van Heel nor Hopkins and Kapany made bundles that could carry light far, but their
reports sparked the fibre optics revolution. The crucial innovation was made by van
Heel, who covered a bare fibre with a transparent cladding of lower refractive index.
This protected the total-reflection surface from contamination, and greatly reduced
crosstalk between fibres.

There’s that nasty little gap again.


Notice the jump from theoretical to practical applications?
With further development in the 1960s, Of course they would bring the “Fiber optic like” item to those who are already working that field it only makes Sense, that they would know more about that type of science.





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Lasers where first theorised by Albert Einstein in 1917 (under the name of Stimulated Emission, maybe Albert had access to alien tech?) The precursor to the Laser was the Maser which used the microwave end of the spectrum as apposed to light, they use microwaves to stimulate gas. Lasers are simple the evolution of the Maser, which was the implementation of physics theory.

What is it that is backwards engineered? The idea, the microwaves, the stimulation of gases?

Wow! Thanks for putting the time and energy into this. I, like many of the others, will be reading up as time allows - I'll put my regular book or two on hold - and catch up on these on the weekend. Excellent!

Originally posted by spitefulgod


Now please tell me what part of the silicon chip is backwards engineered, is it the idea of the logic gate? The Vacuum tube? The transistor? Or the Silicon fabrication process itself? From what I see it’s the evolution of a simple idea… nothing more.

True I'm not arguing that.
What I am saying is by viewing and then later trying to reproduce it they made advances, they were already headed down that path of development. that’s why those who were already in that field were given the opportunity.

And as I've stated, your not going to find a direct link.

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I appreciate your frustration or doubts I really do and all I can say is, this is what we feel is the closest anybody has come to pulling back the veil of secrecy is all.

One last time. The people already in those fields of research were given the opportunity to examine and later tried to reproduce said technology!

Which then by “Very human” Blood, Sweat and Tears by trial and error pushed forward our technology and understanding of what it was.


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Hey nps slayer and i do understand the question here you are trying to convay, I try to do this with my theory on math and fail lol..

But.. back on topic

This could be going back way further than we even think realy.. plant a seed and it grows! who said we didnt get all we know from "aliens" or the "creator" ect..

I can find it logical that No one would be privy to this "alien tech tree" in its pure form.. and if you "mixed" it with our own tech tree

Then technicaly its still "our" tech tree and would go un-noticed..

You cant have something "alien" becouse it would not meet our own tech tree "ie would have to be the aliens" ect

Very good debate and a very real possiblity..

and I dont mind giving my 2cents on a good topic such as this