Paul ~ Inventing a new saviour

Badmedia wrote [It may not be nice, but it is the truth. She took away any doubts I had of this when she didn't know what John 14:20 and to be gods means.]



Cleareyes ...
You can view what I posted on it and come to your own conclusions about it ...also on page 65 ......I just did not view it the same as he does ...so he concluded I am a lost sheep ..
And I did not tell them that I am god too ....that upset all of them ..which I did not understand why that would make them gasp .
It makes me gasp hearing them tell me that they are all gods and christ ..

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NO SHE DOES NOT!!! The only covenent G.d made with mankind was the covenent with Noah... this was His reasoning for making the covenents with Isreal.

The NEW covenent ONLY applied to the house of Israel. Go back and read the TRUTH!!! Jeremiah 31... note.. does not say His covenent with mankind or the world!! der!


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You didn't answer my question about Yeshua.
Was He a liar?
Does EVERYONE have G-d in them?

Originally posted by justamomma

The only covenent G.d made with mankind was the covenent with Noah... this was His reasoning for making the covenents with Isreal.

The NEW covenent ONLY applied to the house of Israel. Go back and read the TRUTH!!! Jeremiah 31... note.. does not say His covenent with mankind or the world!! der!

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To All,

Here is the true difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The Old Testament begins with the beginning of time.
Translated, "In the beginning of time, gOd..."
It is talking about the gOd of time.
The gOd of time is the maker of man.
The maker of man is the gOd of the big O.
This gOd is nOt the true GoD.
The true GoD is nOt insane.

Indeed, the gOd of the bible is insane.
And,
The biblical genesis story is mixed up.
So it is confusing, deliberatly or otherwise.
It cannot fool anyone truly interested in freedom.
It fools anyone not truly interested in freedom.
You will find that it fools those who are interested in separation.
For,
It is a story which justifies separation, and declares it to be the truth.
As such,
The story is wrong.
In Reality,
There has never been nor ever will be a "person" or, "people", or "man".
It matters not what man does, just as it matters not what elves and unicorns do.
It also doesn't matter or what a fairy or what simplynoone does.
The world is a story to be believed.
As such,
It is not more deserving of our faith than J.K. Rowling.
When an infinitely powerful mind believes a story, the story seems to come to "liFe".
Stories come to life in One's imagination.
Stories seem to suck us in to various plots.
Likewise,
The world tempts the One to consider the impossible as if probable.
The world has never been more than hyped up hypothetic conjecture.
Hypothetically, the wise One can be reduced to a pathetic fool.
The world *proves* it.
Hypothetically, the innocent One can be proven guilty.
The world *proves* it by making guilt seem justified.
Without guilt,
There is no story.
Guilt is foundational to the story.
As such,
The world is largely about justifying guilt.
Guilt lends reality to the world.
Conversely,
The reality of the world lends reality to guilt.
"Keep it real" really means, keep the hypothetical story real.
As such, the story is the story of many.
The many are secretly agreed to "keep it real".
This is the truest meaning of "Old Testament".
The Old Testament is a secret covenent to make a story real, and keep it real...forever.
The truest meaning of the New Testament is to break the Old Testament.
The New Testament would reduce the hypothetical story to what it is...a meaningless story.
So,
The New Testament is the story of how the story is untold.
The New Testament is a *new agreement* to untell the old story.
The untelling is the unmasking of the story.
So,
The Old Testament is a covert agreement.
And,
The New Testament is an overt agreement.
The New Testament is an agreement to keep the old story unreal.
The Old Story is a story of separation, conflict, murder, war, betrayal, loss, guilt and fear.
The New STory is about oneness, peace, life, celebration, unity, abundance, innocence and love.
This is the story of Reality.
The New Testament is an agreement to keep Reality real.
The New Story will end the Old Story.
The end of the New Story is the end of the world.
Reality is not a story.
Reality is.
A story is nOt.

Christ



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Originally posted by Clearskies
So, you think Jesus was a liar and He WAS NOT the Son of G-d sent to take away the sins of the world. Reconciling Jews and gentiles to God?
Ya'll are seriously confusing my sense of clarity.

No. It is those who claim Jesus is something you aren't that are the liars.

Again, it is about understanding Jesus.

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Jesus and the father is in you. Jesus is the example of what happens when the father speaks through them. When Jesus says things, it is not actually Jesus that is saying them. It is the father who speaks through him. This is how I recognized Jesus, I seen the father who I recognized speaking through Jesus. This is how I know Jesus spoke the truth. Not because I think the bible is authority, but because of my relationship with the father. And the start of that relationship is John 14:20. It is followed by the holy spirit.

And even if you do not hear Jesus, you will hear the words of the father, just as I did.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Very specific in how it happens. Jesus is not god in the flesh. Jesus even says the father is much greater than he is. However, you CAN in fact see that the father is speaking through him, which is also what Jesus says.

I only included a few verses, but please read the entire chapter. It explains the process.

www.biblegateway.com...


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Mabus, is that you?

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If G.d can change the rules, then why the HECK would anyone ever believe anything He said? Why wouldn't He change them again? This is just illogical and shows that the "New" Testament has had too much of man's hand in it. You all can believe man.. I choose to believe G.d when He lovingly warned us in Malachi (the last book of the TANAKH) that He DOES NOT CHANGE!!! Get a clue.

Originally posted by Clearskies
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Mabus, is that you?

*snickers* okay.. I will have to say that I love the humor that is brought into the thread!

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Well,
I don't think of myself as being equal with G-d, not even when I am in total obedience and fasting when He shows me things, such as how TRULY evil this world is.
Jesus didn't either;
Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:


Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:


Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:


Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;


Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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I also do not see us being equal to G.d. I think the manipulation was able to come in because something that was for a people was sent out to the people in whom it did not belong.

The covenants with Israel were made with them because of the covenant with mankind (the one G.d made with Noah). He loves mankind and Israel was meant to take the brunt of the punishments believe it or not. People do not understand this because they have not bothered to understand the Tanakh. They just accepted what they were handed by Paul.. once you have the guilt and the knowledge of good and evil.. you do become responsible.. and thus, then you have need for salvation.


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Originally posted by badmedia
No. It is those who claim Jesus is something you aren't that are the liars.

Again, it is about understanding Jesus.

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Amen. I'll second that.

Jesus is the only one who ever taught us that we are also Christ.
No one before or since has taught us that we are Christ.
The resistance to the universality of Christ is apparent within a generation after Jesus, and continues fiercely to this day.
The universality of Christ has been censured.
Many in this thread are working to censure it.
People today are the same as people back then, including the apostles.
The twelve apostles are simply a symbol of EVERYONE.
And not all the apostles understood the universality of Christ.
But Jesus did.

Jesus said,
"Whatever you do to the least of these my bretheren you do to me".
And,
"Love your neighbor as yourSelf."

These are examples of oneness statements that slipped through the biasing/filtering/editing/censuring process.

But, there they are, for all to read and believe...or not.

I recommend compiling all biblical oneness statements into a single post.
Post them everytime simplynoone posts separation statements.



Christ!

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Originally posted by Clearskies
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Mabus, is that you?

Sorry, didn't get the humor. Can you explain?

Christ!

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Mabus is this guy who makes threads that HARDLY anyone can understand, outside of mental hospitals.
I mean no offense, I used to be in one.

Originally posted by Clearskies
Well,
I don't think of myself as being equal with G-d, not even when I am in total obedience and fasting when He shows me things, such as how TRULY evil this world is.
Jesus didn't either;

And because you do not understand, you would think I would say something like that. Of course, what you fail to understand is that I said it is in EVERYONE. How could I be equal to EVERYONE? Obviously I am not.

The father is much greater than I am. Because the father includes not only me, not only my consciousness, not only my soul, but also the consciousness and souls of everyone else. So this is just more examples of how you do not understand.

When I quoted John 14:20, what would make you think I was saying it was only referring to me and not also you?

And curious, who is you used and quoted to say I am wrong? Paul of course lol.

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Didn't buddha teach the 'cosmic christ' principle?

Who is specified as your 'brethren'?

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Then why do you only reserve condemnation for Christians?
Surely Hedonists could be a target for you?

Originally posted by justamomma
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If G.d can change the rules, then why the HECK would anyone ever believe anything He said? Why wouldn't He change them again? This is just illogical and shows that the "New" Testament has had too much of man's hand in it. You all can believe man.. I choose to believe G.d when He lovingly warned us in Malachi (the last book of the TANAKH) that He DOES NOT CHANGE!!! Get a clue.

I didn't say GoD changed, or ever will change.
I am saying that the world is the concept of change.
The world is the concept that the Son of God can change.
Change transforms the Son of God into..."flesh"....all flesh.
Change transforms the Son of God into...the world.
This symbolizes a change...through faith.
I am saying that this "change" is not the truth.
The change seems true...through faith.
In other words, the world is the "evidence" of faith.
In other words, the world is the "substance" of faith.
I am saying that faith cannot make change the truth.
Therefore, the Son of God has never changed.
Therefore, GoD has never changed.
The world is the *story* of change.
The story is made real be *faith*.
The story has never been true, is not true, and never will be true.

Christ!

Originally posted by Clearskies
Then why do you only reserve condemnation for Christians?
Surely Hedonists could be a target for you?

I think the more appropriate question here is: Why would you assume such nonsense?

I am not familiar with hedonists, and so I do not comment on them. If 1 should happen along and tell me his beliefs, I will tell them what I think is right or wrong about it. I tend to believe that the truth is hidden within all religions. It's just a matter of understanding the truth that is hidden behind the symbols.

It's like, christianity is 1+1=2. Another religion may say 1+2=3. If you focus on only 1 statement as being true, or 1 statement as being false, then you are focusing on the idol, the symbols and not understanding the truth behind them. If you understand the truth behind them, then you can see A+B=C, and then you can see where both speak truth. And that is only the variables used to express that truth which changed. The holy spirit will speak to others in their native tongue.

So tell ya what, go pick up the hedonist beliefs, come present them to me, and then tell me what I do or don't do.

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Are you on schizophrenic medicine?
Really, I've had lots of friends who were in group homes and they would make tapes or write 'poetry' that sounds similar..

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Is this your church?
I'm just trying to make sense of your theology.
BRB with hedonism definition;