Paul ~ Inventing a new saviour

reply to post by badmedia

On the one hand, 1 person is telling me that I can be even greater than he is.

Actually what Jesus said was: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. John 14:12

and also referring to this being greater than he, Jesus also said:

16"Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. John 13:16

Edited to add: The greatest in the kingdom are described in Matthew 18.

1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, "Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"

2And He called a child to Himself and set him before them,

3and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

4"Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Children do not rely on themselves.

They are not their own authority.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by L.I.B.]

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by justamomma

 

yeah ok ...lol ......you and badmedia are the new prophets ..you have put all the apostles and Jesus Christ to shame and showed them to be liars .after 2000 years their word has been uncovered and was found to be lies by YOU AND BADMEDIA ......your word over the word of God ...toss the word of God for your word ....yeah okay .....NOT ....

Consider this a rebuke in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ ...
You both sound just like the devil in the garden ..........

Enough of this madness .... ..I am done with this ..it is blasphemy .............

I said He speaks now through His prophets. I can understand why you would think that I was referring to myself and badmedia. That is because you look at the Word as a thing in the past or something in the future. G.d is in the now and it is the now that He is speaking.

You think of Him as either a then or as something to hope for. You have been duped to look in the wrong directions.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by justamomma]

For instance, the covenant in Jeremiah 31 (about writing the law on the heart) was pulled out of context by LIB to say that this meant all. As I showed, it did NOT apply to all.. it applied to the house of Israel only (not even the house of Judah).

Funny. That's the verse Jews use to prove to themselves that the messiah has not come yet.

That verse is now true for all of spiritual Israel.

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by John Matrix
The NT is also Scripture. You can believe what you want in that regard. But you are denying historical facts, including the testimony of Jews that lived and walked with Jesus.

All but the Word that is spoken is merely heresay. The Word is all that can be supported by the Tanakh.

You made your point in the first sentence...so why the diatribe all the time?

Your God is the Tanakh. We get that already. Whatever floats your Ark.

Enjoy!

reply to post by badmedia


About the Greater Works Jesus Spoke about(I noticed you commented on this and someone responded):

www.letusreason.org...

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by justamomma

 

yeah ok ...lol ......you and badmedia are the new prophets ..you have put all the apostles and Jesus Christ to shame and showed them to be liars .after 2000 years their word has been uncovered and was found to be lies by YOU AND BADMEDIA ......your word over the word of God ...toss the word of God for your word ....yeah okay .....NOT ....

Consider this a rebuke in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ ...
You both sound just like the devil in the garden ..........

Enough of this madness .... ..I am done with this ..it is blasphemy .............

I said He speaks now through His prophets. I can understand why you would think that I was referring to myself and badmedia. That is because you look at the Word as a thing in the past or something in the future. G.d is in the now and it is the now that He is speaking.

You think of Him as either a then or as something to hope for.

You have been duped to look in the wrong directions.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by justamomma]

God's prophets "today" are His teachers(teachers of His Word). The gift of Prophecy ceased a long time ago. There are no new revelations concerning God until Christ appears again. There is however inspiration and enlightenment as One grows in knowledge and wisdom from knowing the Scriptures and receiving Divine assurances from the Holy Spirit. If you teach the NT Scriptures are false and not inspired by God, then your mind is veiled and you are under the curse of Sin. You must repent of your sins, including your arrogance, Pride, etc. and put your Faith in Christ as Lord and Savior.



[edit on 14-1-2009 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by L.I.B.

For instance, the covenant in Jeremiah 31 (about writing the law on the heart) was pulled out of context by LIB to say that this meant all. As I showed, it did NOT apply to all.. it applied to the house of Israel only (not even the house of Judah).

Funny. That's the verse Jews use to prove to themselves that the messiah has not come yet.

That verse is now true for all of spiritual Israel.

You are Correct..... I told justamomma that too, but her mind is veiled to the Truth.

Jeremiah 31 applies to those that believe in Christ as their Redeemer and Savior. Christ raises the fallen Spirit in us from the dead for the purpose of renewing our Souls(heart, mind, consciousness) through Spiritual growth.

Believers are Spiritually grafted into Israel. We are "Spiritual Israel" and Heirs of all the promises made to Israel. That's difficult for the Proud to accept...and it might be especially difficult for a Jew to accept, but that has nothing to do with us believers. Take it up with God if you are too Proud to accept it.

I suppose we have to keep repeating ourselves until she gets it.

reply to post by John Matrix


Do you suppose that it is those who think that they have the whole truth and that may then cause them to be wrapped up in pride, arrogance, condescension and all those ugly fruits would be the last to pray for any beams that are in their eye to be removed?

I accept and endorse the following story.

"Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.

"The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.

'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.'

"But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!'

"I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them.

But Jesus called for them, saying, "Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all." Luke 18:10-17

~~~The self exalted do not hear or understand the humble, but the humble do hear and see quite clearly the self-exalted singing their own praises.

That, I think, is a summation of this entire thread.




[edit on 14-1-2009 by L.I.B.]

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by John Matrix

 

Do you suppose that it is those who think that they have the whole truth and that may then cause them to be wrapped up in pride, arrogance, condescension and all those ugly fruits would be the last to pray for any beams that are in their eye to be removed?

I think the message is this:

The Log is their Pride which causes them to reject Christ.
Any faults (specs in the eye) that a believer might have, are minor compared with the Pride(logs in the eye) of an unbeliever.
Being Proud in their own minds they exchange the Truth for a Lie.
The Law does nothing to change the heart and mind.
The Law only white washes the outside, leaving the inside filthy with sin.
The unbeliever has no foundation to stand on for pointing out other people's faults because His Heart is full of Pride and Evil and He cannot see or acknowledge His own evil nature unless God wakes Him up to it.

Only after True circumcision, which is a Spiritual process involving "circumcision of the Heart and Mind" can one see clearly to assist another person with overcoming His faults.

Paul teaches about Circumcision of the Heart as being a Spiritual process and this is Confirmed as accurate by the Word of God in the OT. Once again, this is another confirmation that Paul teaches the Truth.

A believer that has gone through this Spiritual process understands that the Log is Pride, and only Christ can remove it.



[edit on 14-1-2009 by John Matrix]

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by L.I.B.


Yes, the above link goes to your post, which is a good example to go along with my answer to your question.

So for those that might benefit I add that:

Being Proud in One's own eyes keeps one from seeing the Truth concerning Christ(and all things pertaining to God).
Growing closer to God exposes One's Sinfulness which results in Humility, Not Pride.

Originally posted by L.I.B.

For instance, the covenant in Jeremiah 31 (about writing the law on the heart) was pulled out of context by LIB to say that this meant all. As I showed, it did NOT apply to all.. it applied to the house of Israel only (not even the house of Judah).

Funny. That's the verse Jews use to prove to themselves that the messiah has not come yet.

That verse is now true for all of spiritual Israel.

Yes, I know how they are viewing it, though that is about to change I guarantee it.

Let's look at what it says without adding implications. It says exactly what it means.

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

(the above has not happened and we do not know that covenant yet).

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;

(BUT THIS shall be covenant that I will make WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.. doesn't say AND with the house of Judah or AND with the christians or AND with those who will take hold of this one.. unless you are of the lost sheep of Israel, this does not apply to you.. it is for the purpose of proving HE is G.d and there is no other.. it is a personal thing.. the children won't know they are lost until they understand this in a very personal way.. there are those on here who don't realize they are a part of this and for this reason.. I am trying to shed light on this.. you will know if it applies to you.. but those who hold onto the lies won't ever understand either because they are not a part of it or they have chosen the lie over the truth)

After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

(see, if you don't understand this, there is nothing I say here that you will understand. It is quite clear and plain... THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME because it is in their heart.. not because it is in a book.. they know without the book... the book is just confirming what they already know)

Also note, that it doesn't say the covenant with the house of Israel involves Jesus, the man, dying on the cross... they will KNOW and it doesn't involve anything that has been taught by man.. because it can't.. it has to be from G.d or they would doubt.

Oh.. and it does not say for spiritual Israel.. it is spiritual, but it is also physical... it is a part of us physically.. we knew it in our hearts, but now we will KNOW that PHYSICALLY we are of G.d. The children of Israel were sent into the wilderness as the scapegoat for Judah (the Jewish people). That meant we were seperated from knowing who we were... thus.. the covenant SPECIFICALLY being written on our hearts and not everyone else's.

YOur's is not an internal covenant because you rely on something outward. For those of who it is inward.. we don't need someone to stand between us and our Father.. He is speaking to us now. He is informing the children that did not settle or trip on the stumblingblock. The children of Israel are scattered in all the nations of the world and the number is as the sands of the seas.. but few will actually see because most will still trust what they can see physically rather than trusting their Savior alone.. who is our Father.. G.d.

reply to post by justamomma

YOur's is not an internal covenant because ...

Once again you judge, just as the man in the temple did considering himself above and better than others.

reply to post by L.I.B.


And who do you think they need to humble themselves to? G.d or man? I am proud that I am His child. I am humble before Him, but that does NOT mean that I will stand by and watch you all trip others who also belong to Him.

Humble: My identity is in G.d and He alone is my Savior. I accept what I will have to go through because I see the right hand of my Father.


NOt humble: We are sinners and cannot change this but we have chosen a man who will stand in our way of punishment and still get the rewards that rightfully belong to the children of G.d. oh.. and those who don't do it our way and instead opt to trust G.d deserve what they get... (yeah.. no joke there)



I have not cut off anyone from G.d by stating the truth.. you all are doing a good job with that by feeding people lies.

I am trying to encourage others to seek the truth.. you all are trying to get them to partake in a lie based on blind faith.

reply to post by justamomma

And who do you think they need to humble themselves to?

It would be a fine start to humble themselves, period.

Making false assumptions and calling people names does not get you anywhere as condescension reigns.

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by justamomma

 

YOur's is not an internal covenant because ...

Once again you judge, just as the man in the temple did considering himself above and better than others.

I am just telling it like it is. I say the Law of G.d and I am a blasphemer. I say seek G.d's knowledge and don't settle on blind faith and I am a liar. I tell people that salvation is in G.d alone and not a man and I am called the antichrist.
If you believe Paul's message, then you are not seeking after G.d. You cannot believe Paul's message and be a child of G.d because He has written His law on their hearts and they cannot be fooled and the more I seek after G.d, the more this becomes plain. So I just speak the truth.

You judge, but the difference is my judgement is based on truth and not a lie. I don't condemn anyone to a fiery eternity nor do I make false assumptions. If you have no contentions with Paul's message, that speaks enough in and of itself.

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by justamomma

 

And who do you think they need to humble themselves to?

It would be a fine start to humble themselves, period.

Making false assumptions and calling people names does not get you anywhere as condescension reigns.

LIB.. our time of discussion has come to an end. I will discuss with others or this thread can die. It matters little to me. I know where my pride and identity rests.. I know who holds me in the palm of His hand... what will be will be.

18But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

19The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

20My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.

21Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.

22For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

23Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

reply to post by justamomma

I am just telling it like it is. I say the Law of G.d and I am a blasphemer. I say seek G.d's knowledge and don't settle on blind faith and I am a liar. I tell people that salvation is in G.d alone and not a man and I am called the antichrist.
If you believe Paul's message, then you are not seeking after G.d. You cannot believe Paul's message and be a child of G.d because He has written His law on their hearts and they cannot be fooled and the more I seek after G.d, the more this becomes plain. So I just speak the truth.

You judge, but the difference is my judgement is based on truth and not a lie. I don't condemn anyone to a fiery eternity nor do I make false assumptions. If you have no contentions with Paul's message, that speaks enough in and of itself.

And so you have set yourself up as God able to judge all and having all truth.

You say God has revealed himself to you. I don't doubt you. However, as is the same with Paul, I don't agree with you on certain points.

I do not judge you, contrary to your assertion. That is God's role and I dare not tred into his territory.

I do know that God will give progressive revelations and gifts, if we first do not assume that all is known.

The newly born are the most inclined to think they know it all and do not recognize those further along on the path that they themselves have just begun.

Rebellious children all wrapped up in what they have done, when all that they have done is allow God to draw them to Him.

Rebellious children all wrapped in new knowledge that is nothing new to those further on the path.

Rebellious children who have only a piece of the picture and think they hold a masterpiece.

Rebellious children stunt their growth not knowing just how important the first 3 1/2 years of their new life is... who chose instead to trample on those who have gone before them.

Israel: the children who have struggled with God and man and have prevailed. Show me your prevailing by not calling people names and looking down on them. You are no better than anyone.

reply to post by justamomma

LIB.. our time of discussion has come to an end.

Ha! I stopped discussing with you days ago! Shortly after showing just how confused your thinking is and your name calling of me began.

reply to post by justamomma

I know who holds me in the palm of His hand... what will be will be.

AMEN.

Do not forget that God has two hands... the right of mercy and the left hand of judgment.

The mercy has been given to you by God making himself known to you. Tempt ye his judgment.