Egyptians open fire on Palestinians

Originally posted by Harlequin
what the f**k are egypt playing at? why are they collaberating with Israel

They are not collaborating with Israel, Egypt has it's own reasons for keeping Palestinians on the other side of their border.

I've already posted this in a couple other threads, here's one of them, ...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hamas is one of the reasons why the borders have been closed by Israel AND Egypt!

Egypt's Quandary Over the Gaza Border

When Hamas took over last year in Gaza, Egypt closed the border (Israel also closed its border crossing points to Egypt) and has characterized the Hamas takeover as an illegitimate coup. Although Egypt kept the border closed, the wall had been built by the Israelis before their withdrawal.

And what REALLY is Egypt's "beef" with Hamas?

While Egypt has at times sought to facilitate negotiations between Hamas and Fatah, it has undeniably seen the Hamas takeover of Gaza last June as a potential threat. Hamas, after all, evolved directly out of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza, itself was originally founded under the tutelage of the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt. The Egyptian government sees the Brotherhood as its most potent domestic threat.

So, as soon as Hamas gained control of Gaza, Israel AND Egypt closed their borders to Gaza!

They also fear being overrun by Palestinians charging across the border into Sinai.

Consider this: some press reports and the United Nations have suggested that as many as 700,000 Palestinians entered Egypt from Gaza in the first days after the border break-through.
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Half a million or more Palestinians pouring into northeastern Sinai could easily overwhelm the limited population of northeastern Sinai.

And, of course they fear Hamas might also take root in THEIR COUNTRY and start causing the Egyptian government problems!

The flood of pro-Hamas Palestinians into northern Sinai is likely interpreted by the Egyptian security establishment as a direct threat to Egypt’s internal security. The demographic facts on the ground reinforce this.

And there is one other reason Egypt wants to limit Gaza's accessibility to Egypt!

Israel, meanwhile, is making sounds about getting out of the business of supplying electricity in Gaza now that “the border is open” with Egypt. And because of the likelihood of criticism from other Arab states, Egypt cannot be very open about its fundamental concerns.
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Egypt also is clearly worried about the Israeli effort to shift responsibility for Gaza Egypt, of course has many connections to Gaza.
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Israel was not that eager to remain in Gaza either: it promoted a “Gaza first” approach in the Oslo talks and, of course, withdrew its forces completely from Gaza in 2005. But there are some signs that Israel is leaning towards pressing Egypt to take responsibility for Gaza, something the Egyptians see as a disastrous course.

Immediately after the breach in the border took place, Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai, a former general and member of the Labor Party, (Party leader Ehud Barak, is the defense minister), publicly suggested that now that the border with Egypt was open, Israel should get out of the role of supplying Gaza altogether. He told Army Radio that the disengagement process begun in 2005 “continues in that we want to stop supplying electricity to them, stop supplying them with water and medicine, so that it would come from another place. We are responsible for it as long as there is no alternative.”

So I believe these are the main reasons that Egypt also keeps it's borders closed to the Gaza.

1) Hamas is an off shoot of a group that the Egyptian government feels threatened by
2) Egypt doesn't want to see their country overrun and overwhelmed by Palestinians, and especially pro-Hamas Palestinians
3) and the Egyptian government doesn't want to end up being responsible for being the "caretaker" of Gaza!

[edit on 12/31/2008 by Keyhole]

Originally posted by plejarenentity

Originally posted by xxpigxx
Come on . . . where are the Israel hating sympathizers? If this said Israel instead of Egypt they would be flooding in here

i completly agree

all the people who were quick to blast me in my now infamous `israel haters/antisemites` thread are suddenly quiet!

Ditto to that. Where is the brotherly love for Pally Muslims from the Egyptian Muslims? Egypt has a huge expanse of land called the Sinai Peninsula. A small chunk of that would not hurt a rich country. A small price to pay for peace. Just think of the political gain they would make by doing this for their brothers!! By the way, didn't Israel occupy the Sinai Peninsula, then give it back to Egypt?

and I just posted on page 20 of your thread. Things seem to be quieter there. Calm before the storm?

Masonwatcher,

What should be done to the country that closed its border to the Palestinians, refused to allow aid in, and made the Palestinians rely on supposedly grass for food?

Originally posted by Harlequin

Apparantly 30,000 Iranian Jews seem to be living proof your talking crap

they have 1 of 3 Jewish only hospitals in the world , in Tehran

they have a fully fledge memeber of parliment - and there rights as followers of judaism are in the constituation of iran.

but they must be all dead because you believe all muslim exterminate them

BS.

Habib Elghanian, the leader of the Jewish community, was arrested on charges of "friendship with the enemies of God" and executed. He is just one of 17 Iranian Jews executed as spies since the revolution.

Privately many Jews complain to foreign reporters of "discrimination, much of it of a social or bureaucratic nature." The Islamic government appoints the officials who run Jewish schools, most of these being Muslims and requires that those schools must open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath.

When the last remaining Jewish newspaper criticized this policy, the Iranians shut it down.

I would say that executions, religious intolerance, and the closure of all their newspapers constitutes persecution - note that the Israelis are a lot nicer to Muslims.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Anyone writing something like that has murder in his heart. Pure evil and an undeniable zionist mentality.

I'm a Zionist. Does that mean I have murder in my heart?
Hmmmm? checking......checking.....nope...sorry!

Relatively simple in my eyes, another case of who f-in ray for religion.

Mugs.

Edit: people spout there own entirely baseless beliefs as if fact, when right in front of your damned gods eyes this happens.

I say again, Mugs.

Wicca is the closest I've come across to appreciating what factual information we as a people have discovered.

An appreciation and respect of what our mother earth has given us would go a long way to solving our immature animals problems.



[edit on 31-12-2008 by MrAnonUK]

Egyptian border guards have opened fire on Palestinians who breached the border to escape Israel's assault on Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

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This is how you make sense out of this Arab/ Israeli/ Palistinian conflict:

This conflict is an ongoing, PERMANENT event in mideast politics. Egypt has fought several major conflicts with Israel with poor results and is not willing to try another assult. The Palistinians have always been used by neighboring Arab countries as pawns against the Israelis. Neighboring Arab countries, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, should absorb the Palistinians (Arab brothers and sisters) as necessary but they never will (They will always use them as pawns). The oil rich Arab states are always able to find the necessary funds to arm militant Palistinians who will then proliferate the ongoing war effort.

Looks like the Israelis are winning this one, last time it was the Palistinians. "It's a wonderful world!"

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Well, do you folks who criticize Israel 24/7 about Gaza finally admit that Egypt deserves the same level of criticism?

Originally posted by Founding


God your so right.... hypocrisy has nine lives. Just wait until masonwhatever comes with his army of 'untouchables'. But remember 300 Spartans had the hordes of Islam running back to their moon god.




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Quoting - Please review this link

[edit on 31-12-2008 by 12m8keall2c]

UHHH What? islam was still 900 years in the future at the time of the battle of thermopylae.

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Inside joke...my bad on the history.

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Right on ,
some one who knows their history.

The Islamic world jumped right on the nazi band wagon, and the Grand Mufti's SS brigade commited some of the most horrific attrocities of the war, bad enough that even the regular SS were taken aback.
The conduct of the islamic ss in the balkans is at the very root of the recent bosnian/serb conflict. The non islamic people remember the horrors the islamic bosnian ss inflicted on thier neighbors.
At first the people of palestine, jewish and arab and christian, fought a united rebellion against the british rule, but at one point the arabs turned on the christians and jews. It was also the same time the Grand mufti went back to the holy land.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak says Egypt will not fully open the border crossing into Gaza, unless Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is in control there. Meanwhile, Arab diplomats are preparing to discuss the crisis Wednesday.

voanews.com...

Even if Hamas stays in power, Egypt will not open their border. It is Abbas or Bust.


Just goes to show Egypt hatred for Hamas is equivalent to Israel's.

[edit on 31-12-2008 by jam321]

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star for you sir -whilst its new year here in the UK , those suffering deserve a fresh start as well

damn good post.

Originally posted by dooper
Gazans need the Gaza equivalent of their own Reverand Jim Jones.
Man. What a contentious people. That's what happens when you're a group of stupid fanatics.

No one likes you.
You have no real friends.
Life is miserable.
Drink the coolaid.

I feel very badly for the women and children of Gaza, and the guys who haven't bought into the idea of national martyrdom.

But before the first intifada, Gaza and the West Bank was QUIET compared to this. Just after the Oslo Accords were signed, right up to the point where Arafat decided peace was just too, too boring and he needed another intifada.

Now whose idea was it to have a resumption of hostilities? Israel's? I don't think so.

The Palestinians decided to not settle for their luck in Jordan after the War... tried to have themselves a little revolution there until Hussein kicked them out in the 1970s. Then they went to Lebanon... we know how well that worked. Then Oslo happened, and if both sides had stuck to that deal, a novel state of existence known as "peace" might have broken out.

But we never found out, because Yassir Arafat and his pals decided to renege on the deal the Israelis made with them. Land for peace, huh? So far, that's turned out to be a load of crap. The only people who have stuck to a land for peace deal with Israel were the Egyptians, and that was as much for self-preservation from the Egyptian side as much as from the Israeli side (plus they got the whole Sinai peninsula back out of the deal).

I think that Egypt doesn't want Palestinian refugees doing to Egypt what they did to Jordan and Lebanon. Whatever you can call the Palestinians, "good neighbors" isn't it. The Arabs just don't know when to stop losing - they could have cut their losses in 1948, but nooo... there are people there who won't be happy until the land between Mesopotamia and Egypt glows in the dark.

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Originally posted by LiquidMirage

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Israeli controls gaza borders for supply. They are starving.

Ok genius, if they are starving why don’t they have food shipped in instead of boats full of guns, bullets, bomb making supplies, and rockets that they use to fire into the Israeli population?

You really need that explained? Um... It's enemies of Israel shipping in weapons. They aren't shipping in food because they want Palestinians to fire weapons at Israel. And let me ask you a question... If you are starving because an sinister oppressor, and that oppressors enemy gives you weapons to fight back with, you wouldn't?

By the way, it doesn't take a genius, just a half a brain.

Israel wouldn’t be taking the action they are taking if palestinians terrorists wouldn’t be killing Israelis, including children.

For every 1 Israeli Killed, 76 Palestinians die.

Do you really need to be educated on why Palestinians have a reason to hate Israel?

Why do people like you need everything explained to you? It’s time to put down the bong!

When you think you're exposing my short-comings, you are only exposing your own by those with a higher clarity.

Nice try though.

AAC

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You know, we never hear about all the Qassam rockets being fired INTO Israel before the Israelis get tired of the incoming mail and decide to try to decapitate the boss terrorists.

And that may be a key indicator of the problem - no one thinks it's "news" when Palestinians fire rockets the size of utility poles into a neighboring country. No one outside Israel considers THAT to be a problem, judging by the news coverage. No one mentions that the reason ships aren't allowed to dock in the Gaza Strip is that they're usually carrying explosives and rockets in their bilges.

If that were an American, an Israeli or a German 3 to 5 year old kid being taught to rattle off all that hatred about Arabs, don't you think someone would be hopping up and down outraged, documentary filmmakers going where this kid lives and screaming "You bastards! You killed al-Qenny!" (South Park homage)

The terrorists could stop the carnage among civilians by making war like men, out in military compounds - not hiding in there with the women and kids. Of course, they could stop the carnage even sooner just by not trying to kill other people. As an American whose son died in an IED attack in Iraq, my heart does not go out to people who live to kill and teach their kids to hate.

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[edit on 31-12-2008 by Murky]

Originally posted by jam321

Why do so many of you choose to continue to slam Israel but keep mum on Egypt? They both closed their borders and they both did not allow humanitarian aid.

Because they are hate filled, left wing, anti jew bigots!

Period!

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Look at the translator of the video. It's MEMRI, aka the Israeli propoganda news agency founded by ex-Mossad agents.

For anyone that can speak Arabic, watching that video makes us laugh because of the mistranslation MEMRI provided is false. She says nothing about taking any Israeli lives.

The part about giving her life to Allah is true, in that it means servitude to her faith by being a Muslim, not by killing herself.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
You really need that explained? Um... It's enemies of Israel shipping in weapons. They aren't shipping in food because they want Palestinians to fire weapons at Israel. And let me ask you a question... If you are starving because an sinister oppressor, and that oppressors enemy gives you weapons to fight back with, you wouldn't?


By the way, it doesn't take a genius, just a half a brain.

If they are not shipping in food because they want the terrorists to fire at those damn evil Jews then they really don't give a damn about the so called "starving" palestinians now do they? Furthermore, (I'll ask the question again since it got by that half a brain of yours) why is the palestinian leadership not pleading to the world for food if they are worried about their people "starving"?

It seems that "half a brain" is not serving you to well now is it?

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
For every 1 Israeli Killed, 76 Palestinians die.

Source please...and I don't mean any of your hate filled, ignorant left wing sources. That includes links to other ATS propaganda threads.

It doesn't seem like you are worried about those damn pesky Jews being killed by surprise rocket attacks and suicide bombers in civilian areas. At least when Israel kills palestinian civilians it is a consequence of destroying rocket launch sites and bomb making facilities that are purposely located as close to civilian areas as possible so they can use the casualties as anti Jew propaganda...and stupid people fall for it every time. The palestinian terrorists target civilians on purpose !

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Do you really need to be educated on why Palestinians have a reason to hate Israel?

No I don't need to be educated but you do. However, you would be able to see those history books better and they might make a little bit more sense if you didn’t always have your nose in their air. But then again, what else shall I expect from left wingers that make up history as they go?

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
When you think you're exposing my short-comings, you are only exposing your own by those with a higher clarity.

Nice try though.

I'm not the one with the short coming here and if you think you are the one with "higher clarity" I can only say this: The day is rapidly approaching when you are going to find our just how wrong you are!