Egyptians open fire on Palestinians

reply to post by theindependentjournal


It matters not what race they are or where they come from. That does not change the definition of the word genocide.

Perhaps you should read up on grammar before spewing yours.

reply to post by AnAbsoluteCreation


I wouldnt worry too much mate, this is obviously a troll thread set up by Isreal sympathisers FOR Israel Sympathisers....

and what is they said wailing palestinians? LOL I'm pretty sure you would wail louder if you were oppressed , starved and fired upon....

reply to post by theindependentjournal


Darfur - 250,000 people dead in 5 years - the UN call it Genocide

Germany 1938 >1945 - the jewish people from various creed and colour - 4+ million dead thats Genocide

Russia 1918>1925

12 million dead thats Genocide

whats your definition

reply to post by theindependentjournal


quick history lesson

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What emerges is that around 3,000 BC a people called the Canaanites migrated from the Arabian Peninsula and settled in Palestine. They established several major cities including Ore-Salem or Yaboos (today known as Al Quds or Jerusalem). It was not until 1250 that the Israelites invaded Canaan. They became known as Hebrews, a word derived from an older word Hiberu meaning 'outsider' which was found in writings sent to Egypt at that time recording the entry of the Israelites into the land of Canaan. About the same time, a number of tribes were forced to leave the island of Crete because of invasion by the Greeks, they invaded the Palestinian coast and gained control of several cities such as Gaza, Haifa and Asqalan. The most renowned tribe was the Balastia from which the name Palestine would eventually be given to the whole county.

What can clearly be seen from a factual history of the country is that the Cannaites, a Semitic people who remained a clearly visible group in the land for over thirteen centuries, were the first to organise society and build cities in Palestine. Giving the lie to the Jewish claim of historical legitimacy.

The point we are making is that for a people to become a nation they have to feel attached to a homeland and perceive their past, present and future to be inextricably linked to the land they hold dear and speak a common language. While both Israeli's and Palestinians believe this to be so, there is one important difference. It is clear from reading the history of the region that Palestinian Arabs, and not the Jews have dwelt in unbroken territorial continuity in the land of Palestine, and
they alone can identify their own unique historical development. The only real title that any people have to its country comes from birth and continual possession of the land. This is a principal set down and recognised by humanity as the basis of integrity and security of all nations and that no just international order can be established in the world today on any other foundation.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that the Palestinians of today are the descendants of Arabian Desert conquerors of 1,300 years ago. They are in fact, mainly the descendants of the original native population of Canaanites, Edomites and Philistines that were there before the Hebrews arrived in around 1550 BC. It is only the Old Testament of the Christian Bible that supports their claim to supremacy over the land. So far, despite much searching by Israeli Archaeologists there is no historical evidence to support their claims of Hebrew supremacy in the land of Canaan ( Palestine).
All this brings us back to our main point. That the state of Israel is an artificial entity, which has no legitimacy other than that given to it in 1948 by a UN Mandate. That in itself was merely a product of
Europe and America's bad conscience over the treatment of the Jews by the Nazis during the 1930's and the Second World War.

These carefully constructed historical myths that have been created to justify Jewish ownership of the land have now been accepted as historical fact by the rest of the world. This clever myth making has enabled the state of Israel to be accepted by the community of nations as a democratic state. Having created this myth of ownership the Israelis cannot acknowledge the existence of the Palestinians or their right to the land. For, by doing so it is reminded that Israel's existence depends on the continued dispossession of the Palestinians and the denial of their right to be recognised as the rightful heir's to the land now under occupation.

An Abridged History of Palestine.

The Canaanites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They migrated from Arabia around 3,500 BC. During the 3rd millennium BC they became urbanised and lived in city-states, one of which was Jericho. They developed an alphabet from which other writing systems were derived. Palestine's location at the center of routes linking three continents made it the meeting place for religious and cultural influences from Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor. It was also the natural battleground for the great powers of the region and subject to domination by adjacent empires, beginning with Egypt in the 3d millennium BC. Egyptian hegemony and Canaanite autonomy were constantly challenged during the 2nd millennium BC by such ethnically diverse invaders as the Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. These invaders, however, were defeated by the Egyptians and absorbed by the Canaanites, who at that time may have numbered about 200,000.

also might want to look into this

www.palestinehistory.com...





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It really is puzzling; while the israelis are murdering the people of Gaza, the zionist here have been gunning for the Egyptians. They seem to want to drag the Egyptians into the gutter with them. Last time I checked, Egypt signed a peace deal with Israel. Does that not entail an end to hostilities?

Perhaps what they are trying to do is say Egypt is as guilty as them. This is obviously not true so it indicates they know they do wrong but make outrages excuses and try to deflect criticisms. Truly pitiful.

Shocked and surprised I am.

I'm not here to debate. I'm just here to put forward a few facts in plain, simple terms which are obviously unknown to some.

At the end of World War I, influential British politicians put forth a motion to create a "national homeland for the Jewish people". They created the declaration of Balfor as the motion. Guess what? It didn't fly.

Let's examine it. A motion or decision was to be made to change the nation of Palastine from what it was, and give it to people of Jewish faith. That alone is way more than enough to make someone vomit in my opinion. In essence saying, "We will give these religious people ownership of the country."

Yes, it didn't fly because taking possion of a country and given it to a religious group is, well, rediculous. The world thought so, anyone though so and if you didn't have a Christian based religious dogma, then you really didn't think so.

That was fine. The declaration didn't come to fruitation. It was put on the back burner until the next opportunity.

What did the world discover at the end of World War II? Well after enduring what they did, People of jewish faith, Judaism, must be given a country for their religion.

That's how it was This time Britsh politicians wouldn't back down. The declaration was already written, a people of religious faith endured a genocide, and minimal people (Palastine) would be displaced in accord with the declaration.

The rest is history. The name of the country was changed, boarders were set-up, Jewish families were heavily financed in order to afford a migration to the holy land. And, as we are all very well aware, the nation of Isreal grew in power greatly and very, very quickly dispite size and population.

These are the things we know. I think it's interesting to take that history into account before assuming your opinion about the current war. Do you have any issues with what happen at the end of Would War II with regards to Palastine?

I am 100% against taking land from one people and giving it to a religion. Isreal has been dimishing Palastine's status/livelyhood ever since and will eventually have conditions in those areas so desolate that it makes their sardine can life now, a blessing.

Originally posted by StevenDye
reply to post by theindependentjournal

 

It matters not what race they are or where they come from. That does not change the definition of the word genocide.

Dictionary.com: gen·o·cide (jěn'ə-sīd') Pronunciation Key
n. The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

WHich one are you claiming then? They surely aren't killing of a RACE or a NATION of people so which is it the CULTURE OF TERORISTS...

WELL FOR GODS SAKE I HOPE SO!!! We need to wipe the CULTURE OF TERROR OFF THE EARTH, and if that means starting with palestinians then LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED, RIGHT NOW!!!

Hope that helps define your words for you, you still look silly!

reply to post by theindependentjournal


They are killing the Palestinians.

If an American moves to England and lives there...he is becomes English.

It does not matter where these people came from, they are now Palestinian.

Genocide still stands. Your move


Oh, and America can be considered terrorists by some, so should we aim to kill men women and children in America also. One mans terrorist is anothers mand freedom fighter, remember that.

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reply to post by bodrul


QUICK HISTORY LESSON FOR YOU MY FRIEND!!!

A common misperception is that the Jews were forced into the diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. A national language and a distinct civilization have been maintained. The Jewish people base their claim to the land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham; 2) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 3) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people and 4) the territory was captured in defensive wars. The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century A.D., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name. The Twelve Tribes of Israel formed the first constitutional monarchy in Palestine about 1000 B.C. The second king, David, first made Jerusalem the nation's capital. Although eventually Palestine was split into two separate kingdoms, Jewish independence there lasted for 212 years. This is almost as long as Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States. Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in Palestine continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea. Many Jews were massacred by the Crusaders during the 12th century, but the community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years. By the early 19th century-years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement-more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel. When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash). Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted: We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds. In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria." The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank. Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.

Just so you know all inhabitants of Canaan were KILLED and wiped out even the animals. So if all Canaanites and Hibbusites, and Jebusites and Hittites were wiped out who can claim the land???

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reply to post by theindependentjournal


your Caps lock is broken?
also its called plagiarism to post something without posting its source
atleast i backed up my part

edit: so all the suden the land was Up for grabs and free of inhabitants

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reply to post by theindependentjournal


What the Hell

how can you believe in genocide in this day and age

you say lets destroy terrorists so lets start with palistinians well i say lets start with governments lets get rid of them first
Nahh they are far too powerful to pick a fight with

seriously you make me sick because you see a problem in our humanity and the first thing you want to do is murder them all

reply to post by StevenDye


Well unfortunatly and until we figure out a way to solve the issue of the minority controlling the majority I say yes. It is too bad a minority has the ability to cause great conflict between the majority.

I just don't believe that the majority in Gaza wants war. It doesn't make sense. Hamas is funded by groups that like to see trouble in this area. Until the "innocent" stand up and say enough then yes, people will be killed for what their leaders are doing.

As far as the USA and UK are conserned if a country comes to power that can dictate our future we will die until we submit. People in Gaza must submit to the will of the more powerful nation.

Originally posted by StevenDye
reply to post by theindependentjournal

 

They are killing the Palestinians.

If an American moves to England and lives there...he is becomes English.

It does not matter where these people came from, they are now Palestinian.

Genocide still stands. Your move

Oh, and America can be considered terrorists by some, so should we aim to kill men women and children in America also. One mans terrorist is anothers mand freedom fighter, remember that.

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We aren't talking about America, but I would agree that America supports State Sponsored Terror from at least Saudi, Pakistan, Syria and the CIA...

Tell many nations ike Mexico that it don't matter where you are born, or try America where you can NOT be the President if NOT NATURAL BORN (Obama Aside)...

Your definition is awful handy I think I shall use it and start a post on palestinians attempted GENOCIDE of JEWS!!!

Thanks for the Idea that we can make up definitions as we go to support our position, with that I am off to start my Pals are GENOCIDING JEWS post... SEE YA THERE!!!

What is most interesting about this story is the fact that Gaza is Egyptian territory. When Egypt and Israel signed the peace treaty, Egypt demanded the return of all lands captured during the previous wars...except Gaza.

The Egyptians didn't want to be responsible for controlling these nutcases. So, now Gaza picks a fight with Israel and when Israel strikes back, the bad guys want to slip into Egypt for protection.

In reality though, the Gazans are Egyptians and so it's a little strange when the Egyptians "close the border" with Gaza.

How many of the posters remember 1967? Were you even alive or out of diapers?
In '67 Israel wiped out 80% of Egypts' Air Force as well as that of Syria and Jordan. If Egypt allows the Pal's to flee into their country that will unfortunatly give Israel another reason to attack Egypt. In my opinion Egypt wants no part of being wiped out by Israel again. Neither do the other neigboring countries. Iran is probably the only country that has a chance of holding up against Israel.
WAR is not the answer but it seems that is all this region of the world knows.

For those of you that say "how can God allow this" Don't you realize that the God of these religions is actually the devil? All these religions talk of a "Vengeful" god. True God is an all loving God, not one that teaches to hate or kill for god. The message of the true God has been corrupted by religion which is a tool of the devil.

reply to post by theindependentjournal


I didn't say it doesn't matter where you are born, I said it doesn't matter where they were born they are Palestinian now.

There is a huge difference. And the president thing, thats Americas problem.


I didn't make that definition up at all, I heard it on a documentary on Iraq I think.


And I helped you somehow? You're welcome I guess. Even if I do fail to see your point.

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Originally posted by bodrul
reply to post by theindependentjournal

 

your Caps lock is broken?
also its called plagiarism to post something without posting its source

atleast i backed up my part

edit: so all the suden the land was Up for grabs and free of inhabitants

[edit on 31-12-2008 by bodrul]

Yeah whatever, I make you sick, GOOD!!! I have accomplished something today for the GOOD! I am for wiping out anyone dangerous to innocent individuals actually.

I am for killing Terrorists, Child rapist/murderers and mass murderers... Call me silly but I am of the opinion that just because you love fluffy don't mean fluffy aint got rabbis and is dangerous, I am for taking rabies out of the equation. But I am silly that way, wanting to protect innocent and young...

Silly I shall remain, thanks though, Have a nice day

FYI - That was taken from an email I received would you like the senders name? I am not aware pf which website it came from, or I woulda posted one of the 10,000 that have it...

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We all want terrorists to be gone. BUT Issrael and Egypt to a lesser extent ARE the terrorists in this case.

They are killing innocent people with bobms. Terrorising them, theres that key word. Terror.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
Yeah whatever, I make you sick, GOOD!!! I have accomplished something today for the GOOD! I am for wiping out anyone dangerous to innocent individuals actually.

I am for killing Terrorists, Child rapist/murderers and mass murderers... Call me silly but I am of the opinion that just because you love fluffy don't mean fluffy aint got rabbis and is dangerous, I am for taking rabies out of the equation. But I am silly that way, wanting to protect innocent and young...

Silly I shall remain, thanks though, Have a nice day

Can someone Translate this for me?
can anyone see where i said she/he makes me sick?

what are you getting at, you have just gone off in another direction.
so since you are say you are for killing Mass murders
you agree on going after the Israelis that are responsible for mass murder aswell? or is it one sided for you


[edit on 31-12-2008 by bodrul]

Originally posted by Muundoggie
How many of the posters remember 1967? Were you even alive or out of diapers?
In '67 Israel wiped out 80% of Egypts' Air Force as well as that of Syria and Jordan. If Egypt allows the Pal's to flee into their country that will unfortunatly give Israel another reason to attack Egypt. In my opinion Egypt wants no part of being wiped out by Israel again. Neither do the other neigboring countries. Iran is probably the only country that has a chance of holding up against Israel.
WAR is not the answer but it seems that is all this region of the world knows.

It is NOT Israel that is warlike, as you recalled the 67 war, do you recall how Israel got peace with Jordan and Egypt? Land for peace deals, that is Israel gave back land and was promised peace in return and to date that has held with Jordan and Egypt, may I remind you that the U.N and the state of Israel has offered land for peace many many times to the so called Pals but they refuse it every time? Why if they just want peace and a land of their own do they refuse to take Israel's deals or the U.N's? Why does their charter still claim that wiping Israel off the map is a main goal? Why do they continue to send rockets into Israel killing it's civilians?

What other nation on the planet would allow it's people to be bombed and killed over and over and not respond??? Baack Obama said he sided with Israel in this in a speech in Israel this last year. Barack said if someone was bombing his children he would expect his Government to stop it at all costs...

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