The most truly bizarre unexplained murder case in human history-Brazil 1994.

ArMaps translation concurs with my reading of the autopsy. Good work at making it available for those who do not read Portuguese!!!

I question however, why anyone would need internal organs for plastic surgery. Harvesting skin for plastic surgery is very tricky and even today, over two decades after the murder took place, it is relatively rare for plastic surgeons to use material from donors. Harvesting internal organs also requires specific conditions, and suction would cause a great deal of damage. When harvesting organs for transplantation, a great deal of care is taken to protect the blood vessels and nerves associated with the organ. By sucking the guts out of an individual through a small opening, you would loose all hope of utilizing the organs for anything other than soup.

If this was due to animal interaction with the deceased, there would be more telling forensic evidence. Bite marks, feces, tearing of flesh, etc. Rats and mice, for instance, are incontinent, and they deficate where they feed. At first glance it may seem like the work of vultures due to their feeding habits. Vultures for example have disabled young lambs and calves by first pecking out their eyes and then attacking vulnerable soft parts (rectum, genitals, nose.) The untrained eye might think this matches the description of the conditions of the corpse. What we see here however, upon examination by a professional forensic pathologist, are multiple incisions with a sharp object, in combination with suction. Vultures tear open the flesh (lacerations not incisions) and not in a pretty way. They don't use suction and they do leave a mess where they feed. There has been a great deal of study on what animals do to corpses and forensic specialists would not miss that evidence. The autopsy does not mention it at all. Humans have seen quite clearly what vultures do to corpses since the dawn of man.

I put it down to some sick twisted bastard with a suction device and knife. I bet he caught the victim with his wife. You would be surprised at the crime reports after Carnival. The number of hideous murders that take place, because of jealous husbands, is not small. The murderer did, after all, remove the guys testicles, and cut him open near his anus so that it resembled a vagina. Sounds to me like he had a personal agenda. Or perhaps, yeah, ET did it. That makes perfect sense.

Originally posted by prevenge
we've got guys committing suicide via chainsaws and jigsaws.

maybe he did this all to himself?

Oh Come on..! You can't really mean that.




Extract from source: "In the upper torso, two "drainage holes" were perfectly cut into the chest.

And the entire rectum track had been cored out leaving a large gaping hole, similar to how an apple core remover will slice out the center leaving the outside fully intact.

Further perplexing is the fact that there was no blood. It is clear that this systematic mutilation was executed with speed, precision, and powered by an advanced intelligence.

The axillary regions on both sides showed soft spots where organs had been removed. Incisions were made on the face, internal thorax, abdomen, legs, arms, and chest. Shoulders and arms have perforations of 1 to 1.5 inches in diameter where tissue and muscles were extracted. The edges of the perforations were uniform and so was their size. The chest had shrunk due to the removal of internal organs.

Precise "cookie cutter" holes are discovered in strategical positions throughout the body used for extracting internal organs. This level of precision suggests that the operation was executed with speed, the application of heat or lasers, all occurring as the subject was still alive."


Yeah, he did it to himself. Or crazy drug-lords. Right.

Maybe it is the government trying to make it look like it was aliens?

Originally posted by ArMaP
The only thing that is unexplainable is the reason for doing it, but I think that Freelancer may have a point and this was some human harvesting from a unwilling donor

I don't buy into the scientific harvesting thing. Okay maybe they wanted to torture the victim to get the endorphins out of the blood, but they suctioned out TONS of stuff. You could simply DRAIN the blood but cutting a large artery and then torture the individual to increase endorphins. My impression was the blood loss was caused by the suctioning of the abdomin and anus...that would create a soup of a lot of non-blood contaminated horrid stuff.

I think it is torture with some odd twist. Perhaps a ganglord made a threat (I will suck your guts out through your ass...) and then well...they did it!

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR

This man probably died of a heart attack, but I hope that he didn't actually feel anything.
Very disturbing images.
I don't think that would go on for very long and you would be in a total state of shock. Rest assured, it was over for him very quickly.

Oh you know he felt it. It would had been noted in the autopsy report of whether or not there were chemicals in the body, and I'm assuming since they mentioned nothing of the kind that he had to take this flat out without being able to numb it off. But the body can only take so much before you can't feel anything else, kinda like a last defense mechanism if you will.

This is truly grotesque. That poor poor man, if it weren't for those damn creatures or whomever the hell it was, he would still be living right now.

But hopefully like someone else said earlier, he's in a better place.

reply to post by ConMi27


Having been seriously injured twice in my life, I would venture to say that he didn't actually feel too much. Or, if he did, it didn't register beyond a certain point.

There comes a point in which the body simply DOES go numb to what is going on. It still hurts, don't get me wrong, but it isn't as bad as someone feels as if it should be.
Take a woman giving birth, for example. The woman can remember that the birthing process hurt tremendously at the time, but they can't really recollect the actual pain. The mind blocks it out (and why wouldn't it, if it didn't women wouldn't have more than one child)...

I'm not saying that this was any walk in the park for the guy, but I feel confident that it was over quite quickly for him. Well, the agonizing part, anyhow. He didn't remember anything after a certain point. Even until he died.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


I have to agree with you Jay, you basically disconnect or just black out after a certain amount of pain. I hope this guy did anyway.

To me, this seems like just a pretty sick torture session. Why people think it's alien related is beyond me. I agree with Sonya, seems like a gangland torture/murder session where someone carried out a very outlandish threat. This is a pretty good warning to any enemies.

reply to post by Raustin


Well, it is pretty obvious to me why people associate the two. After all, the incident is remarkably similar to the unexplained cattle mutilation cases.

I actually have a very weird connection to the cattle mutilation topic.

Living in rural Arkansas, we have a LOT of cattle ranches, and my best friend growing up lived on one. Well, they had a cattle mutilation on their property. Remind you, this is all WELL before I had become versed in ANY Alien ideas. Anyhow, I'm spending the weekend with this buddy and on Sunday, his father discovers that one of his cattle is dead by the pond. Thing about it was that there were no less than three puncture wounds and NO blood. Nor were their any foot-tracks. And at the sake of sounding too far "out there" with the story, I'll just state that his father was a Navy Seal (believe it or not)... He explicitly stated that nobody has been near this cow until we got here this morning... Eye missing, tongue, the whole nine. No footprints...
We were freaked out about it and that was when his father made up the story that there was a band of Gypsies that had taken up residence on down the dirt-road and that they must have been behind it. (We never saw nor heard these "Gypsies" afterwards)

Now I don't know what is behind this phenomenon, but I believe that there very well could be an alien presence doing these things (the cattle, that is). On the subject of this human subject, I don't know. Maybe it IS an endorphin farming procedure, but even if it is, the "medical students" performing it take very elaborate steps not to leave any evidence of their activity. In fact, in the case of the cattle, they appear to simply drop them back to the earth from above (as evidenced by their broken backs and legs).

It is a very intriguing set of circumstances...
And as such, I will file it away as unknown for the time.

i apoligize , i suppose i got exited and my brain wanted to come up with general speculations to explain not just this 1 case of bizzare mutilations, but overall most mutilation cases in general

so i suppose vultures do indeed account for alot of farm animal "mutilation" cases , however

i did not see the autopsy report and yes its obvious now that the reporting was way over-bias and slanted (with an agenda)

so i suppose when looking at mutilation cases i need to keep in mind every story is different and i cannot really "compare" an average cow mutilation case to say, an guy found dead in brazil.

so what do you think happened to this guy? someone mentioned industrial presses or stamping earlier, any information about that?

or are all the "real detectives" still baffled by exactly how this was done?

i guess i feel since i posted a few speculations earlier, i should follow up and admit flat out most if not all of my speculations dont stick to the wall when i throw them lol

anyone found something that sticks ?

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


Huh, interesting story and I will concede that this case does strangely parallel cattle mutilations. The one thing I don't get is why would alien beings do something like this. It doesn't seem like the best method for medical examination. My father actually grew up on a very large cattle ranch in a very secluded spot. I am going to have to ask him if he ever saw anything similar, don't know why I haven't asked yet, just never occurred to me.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Unfortuntely this does not look at all unusual to me - having spent ALOT of time "overseas" the past 25 years, I have seen numerous bodies in a similar condition as a result of torture. There are several telling signs - first off, there's plenty of blood (ear, anus, wound on the right arm, etc.). Secondly, the majority of the remaining wounds are BURNS - most likely caused by a pointed metal object (like a poker) that has been heated. This causes a rounded wound with very little blood (because the hot metal cauterizes the wound), in the case of the eye it would explain why the eye is missing - as the soft eye would be popped and would stick to the hot poker. As for other signs of torture, the genitals have been burned and there are poker wounds to the thigh and arm. The ear has been cut off and the tongue has been removed (CLASSIC Torture fare) probably to be taken back to whomever ordered the torture OR to be sent to the poor man's family or business associates as a warning not to do whatever this guy did. Insects and small animals account for the rest. IF you have any questions, I suggest that you search online for photos of tortured bodies, you'll see waht I mean.

thank you anonymous

you really should make an account here, i promise no one will put u on a list lol

ATS needs all the sharp minds it can get, thanks for the ideas

so do Drug Cartels-Mafia typically torture people in extreme ways such as this?

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I tend to agree with Sonya yeah the ole "I'll suck your guts out through your ass" threat could be a great deterrent to others but didn't they overdo it a bit? Recently I believe in Mexico 8 headless bodies were found that would imo be deterrent enough quick and to the point.

But with the removal of muscle and the pharynx that turns the gut sucking threat up a notch. To go to that extra trouble it would have to signify something. The drug mule gut sucking method of retrieving drugs makes sense but why wouldn't that have been enough to scare the crap out of most? Why go on to remove muscle and the throat area? Would that make you think "not only will they suck my guts out through my ass if that isn't enough they will pull out all my muscles and remove my pharynx." It just seems odd for ganglords to be that precise. I expect gruesome not such precision unless it does have meaning.

It seems to be symbolic and ritualized. The endorphin harvesting theory seems plausible but anyone with those capabilities would have better ways of disposing of the remains, possibly incineration. I think they would just make the guy disappear no loose ends.

I read about this some time ago it's interesting to hear the opinions of others. I think what bothers me most about this is the odd combination of obvious external trauma to the face then taking such care using holes to remove muscle, internals and rectum. No this is different from Jack the Ripper he left open gaping and more destructive wounds. Very strange!

edit for spelling

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reply to post by Raustin


Well, I think this goes beyond medical "examination" and is more in the realm of "medical experimentation" or harvesting. Yes, it WAS a systematic tortural experience, considering the person was alive.

Unfortunately, this specific case happened so long ago that we can't see the extent, nor did we hear of the extent, or the surgical holes used to remove the organs.
I've looked at one case of a cattle mutilation that highlighted a single "puncture hole" (later best described as a laster intrusion) that extended inward from the outer-hide all the way into the heart of the beast (considering it was a cow this is no minor feat for a "leather punch") with evidence of instantaneous cauterization of arteries and veins which accounted for the fact that no blood was found. These aren't just Jefferey Dahmer types, in my opinion, torturing victims (the cattle cases, that is)... Instead, these are very precise surgical techniques.
Now, in regards to this specific case, it is very similar, yet a little different. Just from my vantage point, I SEE signs of blood. I SEE that this person was worked on whilst still living, as I have outlined breifly in a previous posting. It COULD BE as simple as someone torturing the man or the government making it look like something other. However, the trademark signatures ARE THERE of a cattle mutilation, which, in my eyes, have many many traits that are unexplained.

(BTW, in that cattle mutilation case I speak of, the "puncture wound" was deep enough to penetrate all the way to the cow's heart and was, at no time, thicker than the width of a pencil)... Curious, to say the least.

How could we really blame them if they have never evolved emotion or even a mechanism, which is capable of detecting and recognizing it in others?

Why do we always use aliens when we are clearly dealing with a human? It's like a psychological game we play with ourselves. Why must aliens always be so anthropocentrically derived? Why would they have any interest in studying anything at all? Why would intelligence in aliens be so similar to that of our own? Why would they have any such proclivity for empirical study? We really have to take the time to reexamine alien motives. All this community has convinced me of is that you are afraid of essentially a boogeyman, a psychological manifestation, an extension of your deepest "human" fears if you will.

The world "blame" might be irrelevant as well... Out of all of this I can only imagine how brutally difficult interspecial civil policy will be. We will have to convey what would seem to them rather arbitrary evolutionary tendencies such as emotions in ways we can not even possibly begin to imagine. It will really change all of human thought. First contact on a large scale will be so massively affective.

reply to post by cognoscente


"Why would they have any interest in studying anything at all?"

If I was an alien and heard about a race of monkeys armed with nukes who's primary activity was tribal warfare and who are now sending probes into interstellar space - I'd want to keep my eye on those monkeys and learn as much as possible.

We are dangerous to ourselves and others.
* If other races exist, they likely see us as we would see a three year old with a machine gun and a car, and who isn't afraid to use them.

The more I think about it the more it looks like someone decided to make two things at the same time: torture someone for some reason and use him as a "guinea pig" for some medical experiment.

Some of the "scientists" that worked on human subjects in Nazi Germany moved to South America, some to Brazil, and from 1964 to 1985 Brazil was under military control, and only become a democracy again in 1988, so I think this could also have political motivations behind it.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
so what do you think happened to this guy? someone mentioned industrial presses or stamping earlier, any information about that?
or are all the "real detectives" still baffled by exactly how this was done?

Well keep in mind this happened in Brazil. A lot of police corruption, a lot of folks probably just really don't care. I doubt if they have the same type of forensic experts one could access in the states regarding these matters. Does the autopsy report even mention toxicology?

Does anyone here work in a machine shop? Anonymous mentioned a hot poker, and that sounds somewhat plausible, but I don't think a standard poker could do this type of damage. And the suction definitely required some sort of unusual machine.

Plus note the line from the autopsy report generously provided by ArMaP:

Such a framework should be behavioural expressions of insane or another option: macabre ritual. In terms of right forearm, third distal there was rope that was immobilizing the segment.

I would not expect aliens, vultures, mice, or pyrana to use ROPE to bind their victim. Only other humans would use rope.

And it stresses signs of TORTURE. No reason to believe this all happened in a few minutes. While sudden trauma can cause the victim to go into shock, or not feel ANY immediate pain, as Jay-in-AR and Raustin mentioned, that is a whole lot different than being tortured at the hands of true sadists who intend to cause massive suffering.

They cut off his ear, his testicles, his eyes, parts of his face, and I am sure if their intention was to make him suffer horribly they took their time and he DID suffer. Probably a lot. The holes appear to have burn marks, which means no blood loss when they were created. They could have punched him full of holes at their leisure, and most of the holes would probably not cause immediate death, and then they may have brought out the suction device at the very end.



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reply to post by Sonya610


Hi Sonya, yes - insects could explain why the internal organs (soft tissue) are missing. First off, this is a jungle - I don't know if you've ever been to a real jungle in Central or South America, but there are more insects in these jungles than one could imagine (including cockroaches that often enter the bodies of LIVING people who are asleep, through the ear, nose or mouth with the intent to feast). Anyone who has served in the military in Central America (like Ft. Sherman in Panama) knows waht I'm taling about. However, you can see examples of this happening in the US or other countries - have you ever seen insects eat a tomato, orange or other piece of fruit? They enter through a break in the skin of the fruit and eat the inside, basically leaving the exterior intact except for the entry area. The same principle applies with a human body...worms, insects, numerous species of flies, snakes, and small rodents can definitely do this kind of damage.

I don't think any hot object was used, if that was the case the doctor performing the autopsy would have reported it as cauterised holes, for example.