The most truly bizarre unexplained murder case in human history-Brazil 1994.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I don't think any hot object was used, if that was the case the doctor performing the autopsy would have reported it as cauterised holes, for example.

Yeah, after looking at the pix again you are right. The dark areas surrounding the wounds does appear to be bruising, not burn marks. I guess because the majority of blood was drained the rest of the of the skin appears relatively normal.

Wonder what was used? Not a knife, a drill maybe? Punch? The holes look so round and smooth without jagged edges, but there is also obvious square shaped bruising, as if a machine of some type left an bruise around the wound.

Originally posted by Alienmojo
I have seen worse... far worse. From Jack to Auchwitch, man is capable of such extreme violence. Jeffery Dahmer used to drill holes into his victim's skulls and pour acid in. Ed Gein would skin his victims and make lamp shades out of their skin and give their flesh to his neighbors calling it 'venison.'

This man was mutilated while being alive - wholes punched through, internal organs mushed up and sucked out, rectum bored out and intestines taken out, castrated, eye removed, lips removed, jaw bones removed, ear cut off... The amount of pain suffered by him is no doubt very high and extreme. To have all of the above done to one person pretty much tops the list so far.

Originally posted by Rezwar
Very disturbing photo. Not hard to imagine since we experiment on lab animals infecting them with numerous diseases, viruses, hell we even test hair products on them before we try it ourselves. We tell ourselves it's okay to do since animals are not intelligent. Advanced beings would justify their actions to other advanced beings using our own twisted sense of superiority. Humans are barely conscious compared to us.. it's ok.. they don't feel a thing, see how easy they forget? Other aliens crying out for human rights and being ridiculed for saving dumb animals. lol seems worse when the same reasoning is applied to us humans. I think this photo proves even aliens need time practicing on lower animals before operating on themselves just like we do in our medical schools.

This case/photo proves no such thing. That is not proof. Perhaps we all need to educate ourselves what proof is. What this case proves is that there is someone sick and twisted out there. Nothing new.

What your post proves is that there are people who are willing to attribute the unexplained phenomena to aliens. And I don't think this is the right conclusion to come to.

Sort of like thunder and lightning in stone age were attributed to gods...

Perhaps we need to give science a chance before we immerse ourselves into the religion of aliens.

Originally posted by Dewm0nster
Just to note, if you look at the first picture of the victim, I believe, you can see some blood on the left arm wound.
So it's silly to say there was "No blood", as there was, and is.
Just no blood at the scene.

EXACTLY! The site that reported this murder uses the term "no blood" to imply alien technology, as if all of the above was done without the man bleeding.

Black Dahlia's case was similar. Her body was found mutilated, and guess what, there was no blood! Bam! Aliens? Nope! No blood at the scene told the investigators precisely that the body was not mutilated where it was found - it was mutilated at another location (where the victim NO DOUBT bled), and then the victim was dumped.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
From what I once read or heard an insider say, these types of mutilations were black ops designed to put fear into us about ETs.

No source whatsoever that I can think of, but someone else may have that info...

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These murders are not reported by the mainstream media as the work of aliens, not even suggested. The MSM doesn't really touch such cases, and if it does, it just glosses over as "heavily mutilated".

Come to think of it, I doubt the mainstream media would sway the public into believing in aliens - likely, they would be ridiculed.

And this sort of murder is not widespread enough to garner alien theory support.

There is far greater evidence that such views are propagated by fans of alien activity on earth rather than any black ops.

Originally posted by AshleyD
What I was getting at is had this been self inflicted like another member suggested, he would not have been able to get to where he was discovered with those kinds of wounds.

The comment about this being self-inflicted struck me as being sarcastic, I wondered why people responded to it. It's rather obvious this was not a suicide.

Originally posted by gandalph The amount of pain suffered by him is no doubt very high and extreme. To have all of the above done to one person pretty much tops the list so far.

One can't compare serial killer activity with intentional creative torture activity.

If you research torture methods throughout history they were into some very harsh, very prolonged methods. Skinning alive, crucifixion, disembowlment, etc...

This case is just odd because they got creative with a suction device. If it were not for the suction, it would not seem all that unusual.

Originally posted by mandrake
I've just seen a documentary on cattle mutilation...was it 'Myth busters' or 'Is it real?' I'm not sure. But it convincingly concluded and even did an experiment to show that cattle mutilation was done by maggots and/or wild predators. I don't see how this case of human mutilation is any different.

To watch a documentary on the effects of maggots and predators and to conclude that this case is no different makes me question what kind of documentary that was.

Moreover, neither maggots nor wild predators bore holes out (rectum) and eat the internal organs a la carte. The lungs and the heart were still in the body, doesn't make sense that everything else would have been eaten except those organs. And the missing organs were cleaned out.


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Originally posted by Exuberant1
I believe suction was definitely involved.

Perhaps it was a serial killer who used a suction device to torture and kill his victims?

I also think the organs had to be mashed up before they could be sucked out. You can't exactly such out a stomach, or a kidney through a whole 1 inch in diameter.

Perhaps the psychopath was trying to make his crimes LOOK like an alien abduction... 'The Nye Incidents' comes to mind.

I think the explanation is far simpler than making it purposefully look like an alien abduction. Could be a mad scientist experimenting new surgical techniques, it could be torture in organized crime, or it could be a psychopath satisfying his gratuitous desires.

Originally posted by Nola213
This case was studied here on ATS about a year ago.

After dozens of pages back and forth, the most likely candidate was vultures, or some other scavenver bird.

The man could have starved to death given his poor physical shape.

Vultures will begin pecking and tearing at the softest, decaying flsh, just to get an entry point. then the can stick their 12-18 inch long necks into these holes and eat soft organs ect.

Good entry points are, the eyes, lips/mouth, private parts ect.

I've seen a couple dozens pirahna (the vultures of the water), basically eat a huge bird from the inside out, it's pretty sick.

But no, this is most like the work of animals, and possibly the work of Humans (sad but a possibility.) As far as E.T.'s, nope, just not buying it, way too messy with thier sort of tech. If aliens are visiting and ubducting. Plus they usually don't kill humans.

Because most all ,if not all mutilations are done buy scavengers, and/or wild dogs, hyenas. Something a fit human could fend off from a home, or with a group of people.

Cows on the otherhand cannot,and die outside, and aren't discovered for days later.

I still wonder what vultures needed to open his rectum. His buttocks were not touched (and they're soft tissue) but his rectum was "widened"/bored out.

Originally posted by gandalph
I still wonder what vultures needed to open his rectum. His buttocks were not touched (and they're soft tissue) but his rectum was "widened"/bored out.

The victim had a rope restraint on him. Why would vultures, or aliens, or even mad scientists with real labs use ROPE to bind the victim. The original article neatly takes that bit out because it does not fit in with the "evil alien abduction" theory.

Originally posted by Aleilius
A few years ago ABC aired a show called "Invasion."

You, sir, are the reason why they want to censor the internet and its conspiracy sites.

This show was the closest thing to disclosure we've received thus far.

Source: www.tv.com...

Man has searched the skies for centuries and has never come up with conclusive evidence to prove the existence of other forms of intelligent life. What if we have been looking in the wrong place? What if there were other forms of intelligent life already living among us? What if perceived natural disasters were really diversions created to conceal clandestine alien activities?

Anything that ends with a "What if" is no documentary - it is fiction, it is supposed to get the viewers thinking and use their imagination. Notice that the history channel does not say "What if Hitler built concentration camps?" - it is stated as a fact.

There is no coincidence the body was found near a reservoir. These are water based creatures. They are preceded by lights in the water. They attach to the host and attempt to consume all vital/internal organs. In some instances they replicate DNA and morph into the host.

This could be an interesting idea for a sci-fi horror thriller.

I'm willing to assume there are many more cases like this, but a full fledged conspiracy/cover-up is afoot. At this point it has become a worldwide phenomena, but it DID start in Brazil just like the show pointed out.

You assume this based on what evidence? And what evidence shows that this is a world-wide phenomena?

In one of the latter episodes, the series gave us a tour of the "alien storage facility" at Homestead Airforce Base. These creatures were housed in water tanks. Yes, this is just like the stories we've heard.

Seriously, dude, if there was a cover-up like you believe there is, no way in hell would some TV shows from ABC be allowed to film "alien storage facility" at any airforce base.

Can't you think objectively for a bit and not feed your mind on more and more unsubstantiated alien theories?

Please research this further. There are too many coincidences here to be pure chance.

EDIT: Oh, and the suction marks are where the "tentacles" attach to the host. The show also went into detail on this tidbit.

I doubt you will encourage anyone to really research this which doesn't even hold up to scrutiny using your own metrics.

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by ArMaP
I don't think any hot object was used, if that was the case the doctor performing the autopsy would have reported it as cauterised holes, for example.

Yeah, after looking at the pix again you are right. The dark areas surrounding the wounds does appear to be bruising, not burn marks. I guess because the majority of blood was drained the rest of the of the skin appears relatively normal.

Wonder what was used? Not a knife, a drill maybe? Punch? The holes look so round and smooth without jagged edges, but there is also obvious square shaped bruising, as if a machine of some type left an bruise around the wound.

To me it still looks like burn marks. The top of the head, where the eyeballs were taken out, looks like a uniform burned rectangle. The holes in the upperbody look like burned mark as well, although, I could see how you would think they were bruises, but even a bruise that dark would produce some yellowish-blueish marks on the outside area. These marks don't show any indication of actual bruising, but a more scorching effect.

Are there any other articles on this death, besides this alien website? I may have missed it in here, but it would be nice to see another take on it, besides the alien theory.

reply to post by TravisT


Did you read the autopsy report? It never mentions burn marks, and it would if they were present, right?

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by TravisT

 

Did you read the autopsy report? It never mentions burn marks, and it would if they were present, right?

No, the only ting I read was from the original "alien abduction" website. Did it say those were bruises, then? Can you link me to the autopsy, I guess I missed it? Thanks

Edit: Just found it on page4. Reading now.

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Originally posted by orderedchaos
I'm sorry to say, I have run across this horrendous case a couple years ago. I research some strange s*** as a writer, and I believe I came across this particular travesty while researching muti killings.

thenewsouthafrica.blogspirit.com...

Muti murders aren't known by many people, and although it's been a blip on the screen of msm like CNN and the Times, muti murders are quite the problem worlds over, and cases in london have sprung up a few years ago ( as an example such beliefs can travel quite a span).

Just an idea, not sure if it holds any water in regards to this case, but one similarity draws my eye is- the man was said to be alive during this... dissection. Same with muti.

In muti regards, the victim is best to remain alive, and each body part is used for different potions. ( Associated with witch doctors- not all, but certainly some).

moderntribalist.blogspot.com...

www.timesonline.co.uk...

I agree that it sounds a lot like a muti murder or an occult ritual at the very least.

Considering that it is mainly the left hand side bits that were removed, it reminded me of something I was told once (I forget by whom) - that the organs on the left hand side of the body are usually the ones that are removed in occult rituals as they are seen to have some kind of spiritual importance for their purposes.

Originally posted by italkyoulisten
Maybe it is the government trying to make it look like it was aliens?

I thought you ET guys believed that the government was covering up aliens (Roswell) as opposed to trying to promote them. Is this a new school of thought? The reason I ask is that you are not the first person in this thread to propose that.

Originally posted by italkyoulisten
Maybe it is the government trying to make it look like it was aliens?

Right ..... and it would do it why?

Originally posted by the siren

Originally posted by italkyoulisten
Maybe it is the government trying to make it look like it was aliens?

I thought you ET guys believed that the government was covering up aliens (Roswell) as opposed to trying to promote them. Is this a new school of thought? The reason I ask is that you are not the first person in this thread to propose that.

That's the trouble with these conspiracy ideas. There are many of them, and they often contradict themselves.

Such as, the government covers up all alien information. Yet it allows various pictures and videos of its alien holding compounds be released to the public

I give this advice to everybody, and I readily take it myself: use common sense.

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Not really, read the autopsy report and you will see that it has little resemblances with the description.