The most truly bizarre unexplained murder case in human history-Brazil 1994.

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It was a feeble attempt at being sarcastic, but it IS somewhat similar.

Anyhow, Enorphin Farming still tops my list.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Anyhow, Enorphin Farming still tops my list.

Yeah to me that theory sounds like someone who watched Touristas one too many times (if you haven't seen it, rent it, it fits in with your theory well). Right up there with waking up in a bathtub full of ice, and seeing a message on the bathroom mirror saying "get to the hospital, we removed your kidney".

In my mind the simplest explanation is the most obvious one. There are a lot of twisted puppies in brazil, incredibly sadistic gangs, religious cults chopping up victims for their body parts, etc...

I don't mean to be confrontational, i usually agree with most of your ideas.

Eh, We'll just have to agree to disagree.

This entire case is unexplained, best I can tell.

I think it was a sign to maybe another gang..group of criminals maybe? i dont know,i certainly dont believe the alien aspect of the story.It just seems a murder,and to get a point across a shocking,brutal yet well executed mutilation...The pain he must have endured if still alive.Shocking what people can do given the right mindset.

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I am not used to remove internal organs through small holes, but I know that a liver, for example, is nothing more than a sponge like material (although large) covered by a thin skin, so I think the liver would not be a problem.

I think we should a professional opinion, does anyone know a surgeon or a torturer, specially a South American torturer? May one of those professionals could enlighten us about the possibilities and the means to do it.

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I like how you think ArMaP, but I wouldn't expect anyone to admit to being a South American torturer.

Sorry dude, I had to.

*wonders if the "South American Torturer" title comes with an ID badge*

[edit on 31-12-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR

*wonders if the "South American Torturer" title comes with an ID badge*

Yes, but it will also say something like; "Customs", "Airline Customer Service" or the worst yet, "Shakira"!!

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"I think we should a professional opinion, does anyone know a surgeon"

Any one can be a surgeon if they don't care if the patients lives.

One only needs a medical text book and a sharp set of blades.

Keep in mind what I say, Im not crazy and have an IQ of 135. The conclusion of the follwing notes will be at the bottom.

Aliens abduct us, study us, probe us, take samples, sometimes even place things in us to manipulate or track us, in which case is the same things we do to animals in the wild and on farms to make sure the animals we are going to eat are good enough too eat.

Per NASA footage the aliens are in the space above the Earth in Droves of small & large ships, some one mile or more in diameter. They have a base on the moon & in the Earth. They get to the Earthly base through the Ocean entrances located in the Bermuda Triangle area & the Dragons Triangle area.

When the large UFOs come in or out of the water, the create large waves which do sink lots of ships and may have taken down a lot of planes going in and out through hitting them or other atmosphere disturbances. The Dragons triangle has had hundreds of Japan mercent sea captains reporting the large UFO diving & coming out of the waters in that area.

Fact: An average of over 800,000 people disappear in the USA every year without a trace. Some can be blames on Cerial killers, Getting lost and killed & child molesters. But I believe that can only account for a small percentage of them.

Any of you can go to the Federal Department of Law Enforcement web site, type in your zip code, and can probably come up with 1 to 3 pages or child molesters living in your area.

Ok, here is the sort...
Aliens abduct us, they take organs and blood most likely for eating. The take mostly the blood carrying organs and may drink the blood itself. Some of the humans they abduct is just for research reasons, checking toxic levels, quality of product and migrations.

The USA government knows this and helps cover the massive disappearances by allowing child molesters to live amongst us so some finger pointing can be done on them. They allow crime to run free as we all see on the news with gangs and such, so finger pointing can be done on them. The news bombards us with Horrible story's of killings & wars so some of the finger pointing can be done at that. Much of It is part of the Covering up so if your attention comes to the numbers of people gone, you might say to yourself, it must be one of the above.

Why are all past sacrifices done in blood to the gods? The gods from ancient past being the UFO's and Aliens. Because of it's importance to the Aliens. We were in ancient times slaves to them. They control us and feed on us.

WE ARE THE CATTLE ON THE FARM CALLED EARTH.
If any of you ever seen the Twilight Episode "To Serve Man", well there is some real truth to that.

That all was a low details quick version of my years on end research. Aliens are not your friends. This is why they have not shown themselves to the world, because of what they really are. A good hunter will stay hidden, quit and down wind from the animals he tracks and hunts for dinner.

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I usually avoid this type of answer, but when someone starts by stating his/hers IQ of 135 (whatever that may mean), I just have to say it.

At least use a spell checker, your spelling is not on a par with your IQ.

The other problem with your post (the one we should discuss) is that it is based just on unproved things. We don't really know if aliens are abducting people, all those "spaceships" seen on NASA footage have never been really identified as spaceships (some look nothing like spaceships or even large objects), the fact that many people disappear in the US does not mean that aliens are behind it, compare the missing persons rate with the crime rate, for example, to see if you can find a relation, and if you can then, unless criminals are all aliens (out of this Earth aliens, not Mexicans ;D ), the disappearances may have a different interpretation.

It's just a twist of an old theory.

PS: sorry for bashing your spelling, but there are some things to which I can not resist.

PPS: I use a spell-checker, I do not know my IQ and I do not know if I am crazy or not.

I'm just going to stoke the fires a little bit here...

What if this was a "vampire"?
I've always wondered where those stories come from anyhow. Puncture wounds, blood gone.
Damn those aliens.

LOL Jay-in-Ar I'm still trying to get past Sonya's organ/waste smoothie!

I don't buy the alien angle or animal scavenging. Sonya's theory sounds good but how could they have removed things like the pharynx and the lower pelvis seems like non-medical types would have made more of a mess removing these parts. And whats with the perforations between the toes on both feet?

As far as the smoothie goes I was assuming some muscle and organs were removed whole for consumption. I think ArMaP also suggested they could be removed whole.

I can agree with Sonya as far as someone having knowledge about butchering a carcass but some of the other things make me lean towards someone in the medical profession. Was this liposuction/face lift/sex change gone real bad?

The little mechanical shop of horrors could be right. I have heard stories of guys playing around with air compressor hoses but what in a shop could have that kind of suction power? I don't think my shop vac could do that. I'm thinking medical suction devices. If these guys were furnishing their torture chamber I think normal machine shop equipment would be more than adequate for most ganglord types.

Jay-in-AR's theory points to science/medicine but the disposal methods just doesn't seem right. Imo what was done was done purposely for reasons other than sending a message or torturous fun. Maybe Jay is not far off. I'm going to say either farming or harvesting of some type either for ritual, scientific or medical purposes.

I still can't get past that rectangular shaped bruise on his arm. I looked at so many images of bruises and nothing compares. Liposuction bruises are similar and I read if a squared off gun barrel is held close the imprint of the barrel would leave an impression but this mark isn't from a gunshot wound.

Interesting article linked in this thread about ultrasound technology.
That technology has A LOT of implications. It can be used for all kinds of stuff.

Including, but not limited to, turning someone's insides into liquid to be sucked out of small, quarter sized, holes. (The article doesn't claim that, of course, those are my opinions) www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Morningglory
The little mechanical shop of horrors could be right. I have heard stories of guys playing around with air compressor hoses but what in a shop could have that kind of suction power? I don't think my shop vac could do that. I'm thinking medical suction devices. If these guys were furnishing their torture chamber I think normal machine shop equipment would be more than adequate for most ganglord types.

I don't think most medical devices would be this heavyduty. Even a trocar (tool morticians use to suck fluids out of the abdomens of corpses so they don't bloat) is pretty thin. I think a highpowered shop vacuum pump would do a good job though, they have large capacity tanks.

The Guarapiranga Case was solved some time ago and it had nothing to do with UFOs or Aliens. An artcle by Claudeir Covo, co-editor of UFO magazine, Paola Lucherini Covo and Tânia da Cunha can be read, in Portuguese, at the link below. You can translate the article to English at www.systransoft.com...

www.ufo.com.br...

I know it's not the same thing, but one abortion method is by using a suction device, and through a thin tube they suck everything out, the foetus and the placenta, and if the foetus is small and easily breakable, the placenta is a large organ that does not look like something that would pass through a thin tube (something like 4 to 10 mm).

I do not suggest that you Google about this unless you are prepared to see some impressive (to some people) examples, but considering the power of those small devices, I think that sucking an adult guts' out is not as difficult as it looks to be.

Once more, a doctor's opinion would help, is there a doctor in the house?

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That explanation does not explain a lot of things, like the symmetry of the holes.

OK, buzzards or rats or other animal made the holes on the guy, but why did they did it in those exact places? Are those the places they usually use? And the holes between the second and third toe on both feet? What animal starts eating a body between the second and third toe?

Another thing, is it common for that to happen in São Paulo? Is is that easy to get oneself eaten by animals, one just have to fall asleep of have a seizure to be eaten?

I am not even remotely convinced about their explanation.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I know it's not the same thing, but one abortion method is by using a suction device, and through a thin tube they suck everything out, the foetus and the placenta, and if the foetus is small and easily breakable, the placenta is a large organ that does not look like something that would pass through a thin tube (something like 4 to 10 mm).

Yeah however the tissue is all very soft. All medical devices are typically thin and small because otherwise they could start rupturing stuff that shouldn't be ruptured.

But there is no doubt that the intestines could easily be sucked out. That has happened numerous times with hot tubs. People (usually kids) sit on top of the intake and it suctions them to the bottom of the tub and quite literally starts sucking their intestines out.

I ran the translator for that article but it is very difficult to understand. So the article says animals? Rats?

I think the problem would be with the stomach. At least in my eyes. It is a tougher organ. It is a muscle.

It is also somewhat large.

But someone mentioned using cedar oil to dissolve it? Is that possible?

But then again, you also have a lower portion of the pelvis being removed. THAT would require something elaborate. I'm not sure what, but I don't see any indication that a saw was used.

The whole thing is very, very odd.

Originally posted by Jay-in-ARBut someone mentioned using cedar oil to dissolve it? Is that possible?

But then again, you also have a lower portion of the pelvis being removed. THAT would require something elaborate. I'm not sure what, but I don't see any indication that a saw was used.

Morningglory mentioned that the egyptians used cedar oil to disolve the intestines. I wish we had a person familiar with shop tools here. I wonder if a really high powered vaccum pump could create enough suction to just tear through something like a stomach. It looks like the hole in the center of the abdomen would be right over the stomach wouldn't it?

[edit on 1-1-2009 by Sonya610]