Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by 1SawSomeThings


Excellent catch.

Star for you.

Happy New Year.

I have been trying to follow this the best I can, but now there are too many pages to read so if this question has already been asked and answered, sorry...

Yesterday I was looking at the RSOE map and you guys were discussing the quake activity string starting in California and moving toward Yellowstone. I opened up the map just a few minutes ago and all that string activity is gone. Does anyone else notice this?

Again sorry if it was already talked about. Still just waking up and on my first cup of coffee.

Originally posted by dooleysleftleg
Got nothing technical to add but im really worried for you guys in the immediate vacinity if FEMA are involved,this points to something big normally and its to much of a coincidence the programmes going down at the same time and new readings not being available to the average Joe! Id be thinking of taking a small vacation just to be on the safe side for the next few days and 'getting the hell outta dodge' and as far away as is possible.Not trying to scaremonger but its always better to err on the side of caution in these matters. Hope its nothing though,good luck!

Yep, that's me. Truck's packed with everything except my trusty AK. Waiting for the sign to move!
On that note, what is going to be my best early warning other than a big boom? Went to bed last night wondering if I'd wake up. Shortly after retiring, I swear I felt shaking. Couldn't find any data on a quake near Casper though.

reply to post by SixNine

Okay. Yes, it's about five miles (8 km). Just wanted to know if you had an actual source you could quote as we like sources we can click on and check if possible. A good source for info about the Yellowstone magma chamber (that you can file for future reference when characters like me ask such questions ) is the questions about Yellowstone research page at USGS.

In short, if we make statements about such important matters then we often get asked to back them up. That's common here at ATS.

You didn't respond to my other queries but I can assure you, that with the current situation at Yellowstone, the scientists would be far more concerned by the trend of the quakes in that swarm to occur at shallower and shallower depths as this is one of the premonitory indicators of a possible hydrothermal explosion in that vicinity by the lake, because a hydrothermal explosion is historically far, far more likely than a major magmatic eruption. I referenced the report for you that states in most unequivocal terms what those indicators for an H.E. are thought to be, and quakes occurring at greater depths (while also of concern naturally enough) are not one of those indicators.

Interesting to note the water flow data at Yellowstone Lake Outflow has now gone off line. This is a separate network from the seismic monitoring. It is interesting that it dropped off right after an I-Report was filed with CNN correlating changes in the lake outflow to the seismic events.
Yellowstone Lake Outflow Gage Data

reply to post by TARBOX


All sensors are down, except one just found above.

You really should at least read the last 3-5 pages when coming back to a thread of this size.

Consider this....

If they want to implement a "quiet" data blackout, this can be done by altering a little file on the server called ".htaccess", in this file, you can add various IP blocks that disallow the listed IP's from viewing certain files/images/folders on the server. While IP's not listed in this file, get regular access. Also, the "blocked" IP's can access the rest of the server (site) with no problem, just not what they don't want you to view.

All this takes a matter of maybe 5 minutes for an experienced tech to complete.

[edit on 1/1/2009 by MadDogtheHunter]

I got in here yesterday I think - but today look:

www.seis.utah.edu...

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
reply to post by TARBOX

 

All sensors are down, except one just found above.

You really should at least read the last 3-5 pages when coming back to a thread of this size.

I did read that the sensors were down, but doesn't RSOE keep the data on the map of events that already happened? Some of the events are days old on RSOE.

Just wondered.

Edit to add: The strings in Greece are still there from yesterday....that is all I was asking.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by TARBOX]

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by SixNine

 

The experts would tend to agree with you that a magma eruption is less likely, but what they are probably concerned about right now is the possibility of a hydrothermal explosion. As I mentioned a few posts back with a quote from a research report on Yellowstone, that region of the lake is considered the most likely for such an event, and one of the signs would be a swarm of quakes gradually reducing in depth and possibly heading along a line to the north, which is exactly what this swarm is doing.

As you probably know, a hydrothermal explosion would very likely be far more devastating in its immediate effects on the surrounding environment, while a magma flow (the same experts say) would probably move much more slowly.

That being said, we have no way of knowing if either of those events is actually imminent. Some agencies are being "kept informed" but unfortunately the public is not on the list of those who need to know if there's anything to really worry about or not.

Mike

Edit to add: If there is hydrothermal activity going on under the surface I hope it's nothing beyond the norms for that area. Otherwise it's a worry. As for the magma chamber, could you give a source for the data about its depth?

Further edit to add: I see that this is your first day here. Welcome! Could you also explain why you feel that quakes at a greater depth are more of a worry than quakes which are progressively occurring at shallower and shallower depths? Again, what you state is at odds which what the experts report in respect of "premonitory" behaviour of quake swarms that might indicate an eruption. They say quite the opposite (and I've mentioned it above), so what is your source for your statement? Thanks.

[edit on 1/1/09 by JustMike]

[edit on 1/1/09 by JustMike]

There has never been an eruption here so I cannot give you any kind of links showing what happened last time. Every volcano is different in both size, depth, material and dynamics. The volcano's that we have seen erupt have been the type that work with tectonic plates. So plates moving and causing quakes as the type you are referring to are showing openings in the vent that they work with. Yellowstone works differently because it's a hotspot volcano and thus your going to want to look for deep quakes that indicate moment of its magma chamber.

reply to post by MadDogtheHunter


More likely that the data readout has just been moved to a different location.

If you look at the page source at all for the Utah site... it has been put together by an amateur (sorry if your reading this).

Again, I think we get how easy it is to do.. just doubt that's the case here.. too easy just to cut it off completely or move the data to a different location.

LKWY sensor is back live:

LKWY Live Graph

Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
This site: "Earthquake Studies Office at the Montana Bureau of Mines and Geology" is still posting data for LKWY (near the north lake shore). The time frame is different that the U of Utah site, and the graph peaks are not truncated as much making it appear messy. Also giving a better idea as to the magnitude of some of the events. It appears that LKWY has had a bumpy start to the new year. Scroll down to LKWY SPZ US at the link mbmgquake.mtech.edu...

I cant get it to open tried several times sites a connecton prob but alls fine at my end....

reply to post by sageturkey

Sageturkey, I wish I could answer your question about what's going to happen and I'm sure we all do. Naturally we're all hoping that nothing much at all is gonna happen -- at least, if anyone hopes the opposite they're not my kind of people at all -- but the fact is we don't know. I mentioned the sort of things that scientists would look for just a few posts back. Kind of listed them all off...

Hmmm.. I could open yet another window and dig for that post, but here's a tip: if you click on "thread" at the bottom of this post, you'll get all my posts on this thread. Same goes for any member. Click on "posts" and you'll get taken to a page that lists their last 250 posts.

Anyhow it's in one of my posts from early today or maybe yesterday.

Trouble is, we're getting so damn little information. (Can I say "damn" on here?) It's hard to know what's really going on. But if you check a webcam for Old Faithful and there's tourists about at least it suggests the officials aren't overly concerned. Hopefully.

Best regards and here's hoping this will all turn out to be very boring.

Mike

reply to post by WSPfan


Yep just about all sensors cam back up at the same time, In state and out.

Maybe we complained loud enough.



Still, glad to able to see new data.

how conveniant...this link is dead too... had it before but the data couldend be updated...

mbmgquake.mtech.edu...

Yesterday there were constant quakes in US being monitored now there aren't any at all even in Calif on this international site - odd

one avalanche in north west and one earthquake in Mexico - and one Yellowstone (but not volcano icon - earthquake icon) and all calif / all US earthquakes are off weird.

hisz.rsoe.hu...〈=eng

Originally posted by trusername


I got in here yesterday I think - but today look:

www.seis.utah.edu...

Thanks for that link again. Your right, it is blocked, but, I did a backspace in the bar to pull up what I looked at in previous days, and found this page that is current. Look at the depths, and the strenght is going up a notch.


www.seis.utah.edu...

An off-topic question:
I'm a total noob at participating in forums. What is the best way to monitor this thread other than keeping my browser open and hitting the refresh button? RSS?

I use Outlook 2002, but they didn't include RSS until Outlook 2003.

Thanks In Advance.

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by SixNine

 

Okay. Yes, it's about five miles (8 km). Just wanted to know if you had an actual source you could quote as we like sources we can click on and check if possible. A good source for info about the Yellowstone magma chamber (that you can file for future reference when characters like me ask such questions

) is the questions about Yellowstone research page at USGS.

In short, if we make statements about such important matters then we often get asked to back them up. That's common here at ATS.

You didn't respond to my other queries but I can assure you, that with the current situation at Yellowstone, the scientists would be far more concerned by the trend of the quakes in that swarm to occur at shallower and shallower depths as this is one of the premonitory indicators of a possible hydrothermal explosion in that vicinity by the lake, because a hydrothermal explosion is historically far, far more likely than a major magmatic eruption. I referenced the report for you that states in most unequivocal terms what those indicators for an H.E. are thought to be, and quakes occurring at greater depths (while also of concern naturally enough) are not one of those indicators.

dsc.discovery.com...
Enter..
Then click on magma chamber link....

Sure these quakes may be a sign of a possible earthquake or water explosion but I'm indicating that it's very unlikely that its a magma one. =)