Whats going on at yellowstone?

Interesting...I have been observing for a few days...reading and watching...
I feel that there is a potential threat and yet I feel helpless in the matter. It concerns me to think that we would be denied truth and neglected to be informed of our fate. I do recognize the risk involved...hysteria...panic...but ethically it is wrong to deny the truth to your citizens. Maybe we should seek truth in the actions of those who are scientifically observing this area...anyone know who is in charge of the program monitoring...where is his family...if they are being boarded on planes headed to the opposite end of the earth I guess that that is our indicator that it is time to leave.

reply to post by TwiTcHomatic


They added this and this one.
They're earlier ones from today.

reply to post by Knobee


WOW I was unaware they had stopped updating. Must have become unprecedented since the release on the 29th, that had the event as unusual by Yellowstone standards.

reply to post by JustMike


If I could have that graph's plots as individual waveforms I could hear the harmonics in my multitrack studio software. A wave form is a wave form after all.

Unwanted harmonics are one thing I listen for when mastering.

Edit to add: Usually when you can see a harmonic there is usually a tertiary phenomenon on another track like unusual distortion or possibly a flatter form. 85% the way through that graph, I do see such evidence where the two harmonics overlap on the 4th line down in green. If I could hear it, I could say for sure.

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Originally posted by Atlantican


Unwanted harmonics are one thing I listen for when mastering.

Unwanted Harmonics...
You can say that again!

reply to post by TwiTcHomatic


Thanks, I didn't imagine five minutes would be of any significance but thought I'd throw it out there anyway. I'm not sure if it's my imagination or not but is the timing of the events ever used as a gauge for sub-surface pressure or activity?

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Just to confirm what others have said, double lines (or overwriting) are not all that uncommon on helicorders and similar machines, and I would guess that as they've taken quite a bit of treatment lately the odd glitch is not too surprising.

What's of more concern is the fact they've all gone down -- even the broadband ones that were running when the analog ones failed. (Again, been said already but I needed to mention it for my next comment, which is...)

I'm not an American, so I hope US members will forgive me this remark, but why is it that whenever FEMA gets involved or even just interested in something, that's when things really start to screw up? Or so it seems to me, anyway. (By the way, I doubt that what passes for FEMA where I live would do much better, but fortunately they rarely get put to the test.)

reply to post by beaverg


They have said before that the patterns of the geysers can change depending on seismic events.

Never really seen any hard documentation on any pattern abnormalities though.

Originally posted by Shirakawa
Yay! Seismologist are now adding manually earthquakes to the list!
So probably charts will be fixed too (I hope) now.

Yes I see that and perhaps the reason for the helio's going down is staring us in the face. Look at the times on the first few quakes and then go from the bottom up they where coming fast and then no more helio's..... again Now if they have the info why arent the helio's working? and how many smaller quakes where there with that swarm of 2 pointers?

You can get worldwide EQs of 2.5 and up here:

earthquake.usgs.gov...

have installed gee software... 2 spikes on station grant village nps... are to see .at 12.50 nd 15.00 ours at chart....are those listed? seems heavy ones..

Well people probably don't need to worry about a magma eruption. I've been looking at the depth of these quakes and they seem to be mostly above the magma chamber which indicates to me that its more likely some kind of hydrothermal activity going on under the surface.

I think the highest point of the magma chamber is around 5 miles, so I wouldn't worry too much about some kind of super eruption. If you start seeing quakes 6, 7, 8 miles down then start worrying.

Originally posted by SixNine
Well people probably don't need to worry about a magma eruption. I've been looking at the depth of these quakes and they seem to be mostly above the magma chamber which indicates to me that its more likely some kind of hydrothermal activity going on under the surface.

I think the highest point of the magma chamber is around 5 miles, so I wouldn't worry too much about some kind of super eruption. If you start seeing quakes 6, 7, 8 miles down then start worrying.

hmmm I don''t suspect that the ceiling of the chamber is smooth... it will varyating.. guess the number of the depth is an medium distance...

reply to post by SixNine

The experts would tend to agree with you that a magma eruption is less likely, but what they are probably concerned about right now is the possibility of a hydrothermal explosion. As I mentioned a few posts back with a quote from a research report on Yellowstone, that region of the lake is considered the most likely for such an event, and one of the signs would be a swarm of quakes gradually reducing in depth and possibly heading along a line to the north, which is exactly what this swarm is doing.

As you probably know, a hydrothermal explosion would very likely be far more devastating in its immediate effects on the surrounding environment, while a magma flow (the same experts say) would probably move much more slowly.

That being said, we have no way of knowing if either of those events is actually imminent. Some agencies are being "kept informed" but unfortunately the public is not on the list of those who need to know if there's anything to really worry about or not.

Mike

Edit to add: If there is hydrothermal activity going on under the surface I hope it's nothing beyond the norms for that area. Otherwise it's a worry. As for the magma chamber, could you give a source for the data about its depth?

Further edit to add: I see that this is your first day here. Welcome! Could you also explain why you feel that quakes at a greater depth are more of a worry than quakes which are progressively occurring at shallower and shallower depths? Again, what you state is at odds which what the experts report in respect of "premonitory" behaviour of quake swarms that might indicate an eruption. They say quite the opposite (and I've mentioned it above), so what is your source for your statement? Thanks.

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reply to post by SixNine


There has been a few down in the chamber, but no more than 5 or 10 note-able ones out of the hundreds of recordable / thousands of unrecordables

So as of right now, not 1 single station is currently online? That I find hard to swallow, there is no way all stations would be offline right now at the same time.

The plot thickens with FEMA getting into the picture and if i recall they said it was normal to have up to 3000 events a year, how many do all the ones count for when the charts are completely filled with seismic activity?

Originally posted by Atlantican
If I could have that graph's plots as individual waveforms I could hear the harmonics in my multitrack studio software. A wave form is a wave form after all.

How do you upload the visual graph into a readable format for say adobe audition or an older version like cool edit pro? I would love to listen to this thing but I've no idea how to go about it.
Also just wanted to add that there are some pretty signifigant information in the 2012 related stuff, we are going to be passing through the galatic plane, it's not some nut job prophesy, but real astronomy and the effects of that event are cyclic and said to be potentially cataclysmic. I don't understand why some of you seem so intent to dismiss that as irrelevant information, passing through a huge galactic gravitational wave would certainly have an effect on seismic activity globally. Don't throw the baby out with what you think is bath water, especially when that bath water is real astronomy.

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Twitch, its not that it is irrelevant information....

It just doesn't pertain to this type of discussion. Up till the point we lost all the data streams, this was data we could look at.

Not speculation (which is what it is) about what happens when certain planets line up.

Nobody on this planet can give any accurate information of what the earth will go through with something like that.

-edit- Love the name though




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have a nasty feeling that the gee program is out to on yellowstone.....if I update it its remains the same...:-(
lets face it ..if FEMA opens their calamity book the first line = shut douwn public data of the event's...

reply to post by JustMike


Thanks justmike for pointing me to the very informative USGS article linked by isawsomethings. It answered many questions that I had been wanting to pose, especially regarding the areas that could be affected by a basaltic eruption versus a rhyolitic eruption.

It did raise a few more questions though, I'm trying to mkae sense of a few things and maybe someone could help me out. I'm questioning the possibility of a basaltic eruption based on this paragraph:

"The volcanic field has evolved episodically in three cycles of rhyolitic activity. Each cycle culminated in the rapid eruption of voluminous rhyolitic ash flows—hundreds to thousands of cubic kilometers—and consequent catastrophic subsidence of the source areas to form large calderas. Each climactic ash-flow eruption was preceded by a period of magmatic intrusion and intermittent rhyolitic lava eruptions and was followed by a period of partial filling of the calderas with rhyolitic lavas. During each of these cycles, basaltic lavas erupted around the margins of the active rhyolitic source area but not within it. About a million years after their rhyolitic activity, basalts finally erupted through the source areas of the first two cycles, but no basalts have yet erupted within the youngest, the Yellowstone caldera."

So, from what I understand, we're pretty much still in the middle of rhyolitic activity at the caldera right?

"It is possible but unlikely that basalt could erupt from within the caldera; if such an event were to occur, however, it would signal the demise of the large Yellowstone-caldera rhyolitic magma chamber."

Do any of the signs point to this possibility? Trying to get a bit more educated but am getting distracted by sirens here....


The information on page 14 regarding an induced quake is also quite interesting. The sentence "A series of local earthquake swarms was observed, and clear changes in geyser activity occurred immediately following local arrival of seismic waves from the 2002 Denali fault,
Alaska, earthquake (M=7.9) in the Yellowstone National Park area, 3100 km from the epicenter. Beginning within hours of the arrival of surface waves, the YVO network located more than 250 earthquakes in the first days after the Denali event." is almost comforting to me.

Any takes on where it's headed yet?