Whats going on at yellowstone?

Thank you, it is good to keep things in perspective

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by trusername

 

Just to confirm what others have said, double lines (or overwriting) are not all that uncommon on helicorders and similar machines, and I would guess that as they've taken quite a bit of treatment lately the odd glitch is not too surprising.

What's of more concern is the fact they've all gone down -- even the broadband ones that were running when the analog ones failed. (Again, been said already but I needed to mention it for my next comment, which is...)

I'm not an American, so I hope US members will forgive me this remark, but why is it that whenever FEMA gets involved or even just interested in something, that's when things really start to screw up? Or so it seems to me, anyway. (By the way, I doubt that what passes for FEMA where I live would do much better, but fortunately they rarely get put to the test.)

Yep, FEMA has proven itself to be woefully inadequate in a real emergency. It's just a cushy job and a nice paycheck in my opinion.

On another note, I've seen much talk about the stations being down. Oh no, it's down...Wait, it's up... They're just electronics and computers and will be prone to glitches and lags. As mentioned before likely due to all of the increased traffic.

reply to post by ressiv


Thats just the most frustrating and annoying thing. If all the data soucres have been closed to the public, why now on the sixth day of unusual and increased activity? Surely enough information has now reached us (the public) to arouse suspicion.

reply to post by sageturkey


this is highly unlikely
after all, we are in no way specifically putting a heavy load on the single stations
but only on the web server that is providing the graphs
I daresay that they're being rendered somewhere else anywhere.
And regardless of that, a university's server network should be designed well enough to cope with such loads.

reply to post by sageturkey


All of them that went down yesterday, never came back up.

Now ALL of them are down.

Not much ping-ponging of up and down... just there and not there at all.

-edit- IF it was site stress (could be an bad tech guy) from all the loads... none of the rest of the site would be functional... yet it all is, except for the sensors.


[edit on 1-1-2009 by TwiTcHomatic]

Got nothing technical to add but im really worried for you guys in the immediate vacinity if FEMA are involved,this points to something big normally and its to much of a coincidence the programmes going down at the same time and new readings not being available to the average Joe! Id be thinking of taking a small vacation just to be on the safe side for the next few days and 'getting the hell outta dodge' and as far away as is possible.Not trying to scaremonger but its always better to err on the side of caution in these matters. Hope its nothing though,good luck!

Tactics of misinformation and keeping "The lid" on a situation.

1. Allow no information out unless it is edited and can be controlled.

2. Misinform through this controlled information.

3. Cast doubts on the viability of pre-released information before controll measures were in place.

Its how it works and might be helpfull to know and keep in mind during research on this subject.


respects

Originally posted by th0br0
reply to post by sageturkey

 

this is highly unlikely
after all, we are in no way specifically putting a heavy load on the single stations
but only on the web server that is providing the graphs
I daresay that they're being rendered somewhere else anywhere.
And regardless of that, a university's server network should be designed well enough to cope with such loads.

Indeed, I would think so too. But, could they ever have expected this kind of traffic? Each day as more people become aware and interested, a heavier load is being put on the system.

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Discovery has information about the magma chamber depth somewhere on their site. I recall the highest points of it was somewhere around 5 miles.

Now quakes like this one is deep in the magma chamber:
www.quake.utah.edu...

Where has the following are towards the higher end of it:
www.quake.utah.edu...

Perhaps they noticed several strange IP addresses accessing the server that aren't on the list of "acceptable" IP's...and they blocked us. Very plausible explanation. I can do the same with a website I run, so they could also do this. And why wouldn't they? I would, lol.

[edit on 1/1/2009 by MadDogtheHunter]

Since we are talking about sensors not returning any data...

I figured I would point out that it's not just the yellowstone area sensors not working anymore..

www.quake.utah.edu...

These sensors use the same service.

I am sorry, but to me its beginning to look more like a data blackout for the public.

Unless the Utah site has suffered some serious catastrophic failure.

reply to post by sageturkey

Hi sageturkey,

you ask some good questions and I'm not a geologist so I can only give a lay-person's answer based upon what I've read, both in that particular report and (previously) elsewhere, but a few sentences on page 26 of that document help to give us some perspective:

Those eruptions perhaps partly degassed and depleted the magma sufficiently slowly without triggering voluminous pyroclastic eruptions that they may have rendered another major caldera-forming eruption from the present subcaldera chamber unlikely.

Despite the seeming improbability of another large caldera-forming eruption at Yellowstone, the severe consequences of any such eruption, if one should occur, render it important to consider its potential hazards. The distribution of basalt around the Yellowstone caldera, as noted above, would seem to restrict the area of potential accumulation of sufficient rhyolitic magma for any such eruption to the vicinity of the Yellowstone caldera.

(From: Christiansen, R. L., Lowenstern, J. B., Smith, R. B., Heasler, H., Morgan, L. A., Nathenson, M., Mastin, L. G., Muffler, L. J. P., and Robinson, J. E., 2007, Preliminary assessment of volcanic and hydrothermal hazards in Yellowstone National Park and vicinity: U.S. Geological Survey Open-file Report 2007-1071) Complete report in PDF available here

In other words, we are still within the rhyolitic phase, so to speak, but the odds of a major rhyolitic eruption are very low.

As for the other questions... I'll have to close this post and take another look -- coz I can't remember!

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
You can get worldwide EQs of 2.5 and up here:

earthquake.usgs.gov...

This site is providing current data. Thank you for the good link! Looks like 4 quakes today from 2.5 to 2.9 so far.

if there was no activity why would they shut it down.

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
if there was no activity why would they shut it down.

couse there was a sudden increase of activity.....started yesterday

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
if there was no activity why would they shut it down.

Many services like that, don't want unauthorized persons accessing its databases, for fear of hacking attempts. So, they figure out what IP blocks are coming in, and block them. Pretty simple to do actually. They can see who's looking at what at any given second. Just like the people here at ATS can do the same.

[edit on 1/1/2009 by MadDogtheHunter]

reply to post by TwiTcHomatic


Any geologists, volcanologists out there? You perhaps? Even the big boys with those titles can't say for certain what this recent swarm might indicate. Primary concern when I joined in seemed to be possibility of eruption and causative factors. I see some very good work getting information from the charts but there really is no way of knowing what any of it might actually mean. Several of us have already agreed that we won't be warned in order to avoid large scale panic. So, unless anyone here can say for absolute certain whether or not Yellowstone is going to blow......?????? Discussion of other (REAL) factors that may be affecting geothermal activity and increasing the likelihood of eruption is really no more speculative than attempting to dissect the Yellowstone activity information we are being allowed to see.

reply to post by MadDogtheHunter


Highly doubt this is the case for a site that lets university students study data.

I get what you are saying, yes that does happen... just doubt its the case here.

ALL sensors from the surrounding states that run on this system are down.

That's not from IP blocking.

This site: "Earthquake Studies Office at the Montana Bureau of Mines and Geology" is still posting data for LKWY (near the north lake shore). The time frame is different that the U of Utah site, and the graph peaks are not truncated as much making it appear messy. Also giving a better idea as to the magnitude of some of the events. It appears that LKWY has had a bumpy start to the new year. Scroll down to LKWY SPZ US at the link mbmgquake.mtech.edu...

reply to post by MadDogtheHunter


they aren't blocking us though
and apparently everyone is being shown those bugged plots
so I am somewhat pointing to the information blackout, too.
anyway, the next few days will get really interesting.