Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by SpadeofAces

:-) no ash or smoke yet just a typical dreary winter Alaskan sky.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


I am the first to admit when I am wrong. I believe I am wrong and I believe you are correct that the air monitoring station is responsible. It is reasonable and can explain the signatures. I feel stupid because I had ruled out external causes and still can't fathom how the situation could arise. Yellowstone is the biggest laboratory in the world. A motor and compressor would cause vibrations. But wouldn't the signals start precisely on the hour? I never appreciated that one monitor would be running interference and effecting the readings of another. Shouldn't there be better control? None of the other sites have this problem. And the problem didn't exist last Jan 07. The readings still have odd factors. But I must side with the most probable. Please supply me any and all info on where these air stations are and the data they collect. I'm limited for time and just popping on to get my comeupence. I still have tons of questions about why and how. But maybe the info will supply the answers. I was a fool, I trusted them to filter out there own equipment. I could have accepted snowmachines or someone outside the park with a satelite phone which interfered with the transmission of data. But this don't taste right. But I must side with logic and reason. I will accept the air stations, but I am not amused that the data is interfered with and contaminated by the monitoring.

Agreed that cause of the "pipe cleaner" image may indeed be an air sampling pump. However; it would seem strange that the operation of the apparatus is so erratic inasmuch as it would appear to be turned off for extended periods of time and then re-activated. (Removal of snow covering the solar panels charging it's batteries? Would it not then have gradually diminished in strength and gradually regained strength as the batteries discharged and recharged?)
I find that there appears to be some influence relating to quakes but have no time to study the issue and develop a hypothesis.
There is also the issue of the time-to-time variability of the signal strength which also remains unexplained.

M1.1 2009/01/31 00:57:36 47.845 -115.330 5.8 20 km ( 12 mi) E of Trout Creek, MT

berry berry interesting...western Montana...related to Indianola, WA quake from earlier?

Originally posted by Hx3_1963

BTW: Anyone see/hear Sageturkey lurking out in the Bushes? Wonder what happened? Did He fall in a Mush Pot going to clean the Cams at YS?

Yes. I have been in touch with Sageturkey and he too is quite busy with work, as I have been and is why some of us have been pre-occupied with trying to get these bills paid and not been able to post.


Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by Old Farmer
Agreed that cause of the "pipe cleaner" image may indeed be an air sampling pump. However; it would seem strange that the operation of the apparatus is so erratic inasmuch as it would appear to be turned off for extended periods of time and then re-activated. (Removal of snow covering the solar panels charging it's batteries? Would it not then have gradually diminished in strength and gradually regained strength as the batteries discharged and recharged?)
I find that there appears to be some influence relating to quakes but have no time to study the issue and develop a hypothesis.
There is also the issue of the time-to-time variability of the signal strength which also remains unexplained.

I might be way off base here and I am probably no where close to the mark but I can't help but notice that other places are experiencing an increase in underground anomalies.

I ran across some information about TBMs at another ATS thread.

I borrowed this link:
www.robbinseuropa.com...

from:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Could a TBM being used close by cause these anomalies?

How far away would they have to be to cause interference if they could cause any at all?


[edit on 31-1-2009 by NightSkyeB4Dawn]

reply to post by RFBurns


Well I'll take it this is a good thing these days...working alot...paying alot of bills. With activity waining @ YS youz' not missin' much anywhoo.

A quick scan of daily/weekly Eq reports will keep ya up to speed.

hhhmmm...3 M3+ in Hawaii in 4 Hrs...between 01:37 & 05:17 GMT 01-31
Wonder how normal that is along with all the other weird places shaking these days...

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
reply to post by RFBurns

 

Well I'll take it this is a good thing these days...working alot...paying alot of bills. With activity waining @ YS youz' not missin' much anywhoo.

A quick scan of daily/weekly Eq reports will keep ya up to speed.

We are in the "Ground Zero" zone so making some extra "run to the hills" funds is crucial..plus getting that vehicle tuned up and bying all those extra filters will come in handy.

Thanks for the tips for updates!



Cheers!!!!

reply to post by RFBurns


Wow RF!
If your at ground zero I'ld of thought you would have at least chosen a Flaming Pheonix for your next avatar! or should we save that for Sageturkey...ummm



[edit on 31-1-2009 by Mushussu]

[edit on 31-1-2009 by Mushussu]

Originally posted by Mushussu

Wow RF!
If your at ground zero I'ld of thought you would have at least chosen a Flaming Pheonix for your next avatar! or should we save that for Sageturkey...ummm

Heh, I was gonna put the "I read the thread" logo in there but thought that might be a bit too much!

Since there is a nice huge tub o lava below me, and if Yellowstone decides to crack open like an egg, well I will be taking a nice hot bath in hell's lava pool.

I just thought the picture looked cool. Heh..hot lava pool and the picture looks cool...ahahaha!

Changed it to the rising Phoenix.


Cheers!!!!

[edit on 31-1-2009 by RFBurns]

reply to post by RFBurns


Lava pool ... Hot Tub... Lava pool...

Forget the thread logo..

Put a beer in his hand!

AND CHEERS!!
out for the nite . check back am
ni ni

reply to post by Robin Marks


Hey man, I wish I could get paid every time I am wrong.

But I want to be clear that I am not sure either that it is CAMS causing the pipecleaners. I gave the other poster a thumbs up because at this time it has been the best likely explanation that I have seen yet, and it would be consistent with what I am observing in GEE.

Monitoring those events in GEE on broadband channels provides more information than just watching them on the LKWY webicorder chart. Since no one is taking me up on my bet, I will reveal the light.

The key: Only the BHE and BHZ channels are being affected. Every time. So what that indicates is several things:

1) That the culprit is coming from a stationary place. And it is likely located either directly east or west of the station, or very close to that axis. Otherwise, it would be affecting the BHN channel as well or instead with each shock. But it is not. (For those that don't get this right away, when monitoring the broadband channels in GEE of any station, the BHE channel output reflects east/west lateral ground acceleration. The BHZ channel reflects vertical ground acceleration up and down. The BHN channel represents north/south lateral ground acceleration.)

2) Once you realize that it is coming from a stationary place, and from the same exact direction every time, then the CAMS explanation makes pretty good sense. An air pump stationed in one of the huts makes perfect sense.

3) That at a minimum the events are not natural. All other natural events I see have their own unique signature, and ALL will reflect movement in all three directions, and on all three channels. The fact that they are not showing up on the BHN channel is pretty much the final smoking gun.

And once I had seen enough of these to recognize their signature, I could easily start "predicting" them consistently before they showed up on the LKWY chart, as I have done 3 times already on this thread. I could have "predicted" all of them easily once I knew this, and still can, just from watching GEE. Their signature is easily distinguished from everything else going on, even when real seismic events ARE going on simultaneously on top of them.

So yeah, at this point I am willing to put my money where my mouth is so to speak on this issue. Once you realize all this, any variances can be explained as well due to man made causes. Hope this helps.

But soon I will be out of this loop and on to other things. YS appears to have gone back into slumber, thank almighty God. But beware that the swarms could start again at any time. And yet even then, as these have shown, we will likely still come out ok on the other side- unless we start seeing serious, intense harmonic beading tremors like we are seeing at Redoubt. At least that's the theory anyway- one I myself will take some comfort in. But as we know, YS is its own animal. Cautious optimism right now works for me.

[edit on Sat Jan 31st 2009 by TrueAmerican]

reply to post by TrueAmerican

Since no one is taking me up on my bet, I will reveal the light.

The key: Only the BHE and BHZ channels are being affected.

Yup, knew that. I have sound recordings of each channel. So why would BHN not be affected?

Sorry, what I was meaning is, surely there would be SOME effect on BHN.

[edit on 31/1/09 by PuterMan]

reply to post by PuterMan


There is indeed some of that signal on the BHN channel too.
Yesterday I tried to convert to .wav all of three available broadband LKWY channels of a pipecleaner signal occurred at the same time and noticed this. I then also attempted to mix the files together with Audacity, but the results have been rather uninteresting.

By the way, the pipecleaner frequency rate is not always the same, it varies between 17 and 18 hz. But on one given pipecleaner, it appears to remain constant.

[edit on 2009/1/31 by Shirakawa]

Originally posted by Shirakawa
There is indeed some of that signal on the BHN channel too.

But it is very low relative to the other channels, and all that may indicate is a slight off axis location from a direct east/west axis relative to the seismometer.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


This is by the way the location of LKWY seismic station on Google Earth:

reply to post by headlightone


Damn dude,

You have a haircut on average every 5 weeks!!??!!

You must be a girl or have a really big interest in your hair. Hope you don't go bold at an early age!!!

Now please stay on topic or just lurk like the rest of us.....

please continue as you were......

Peace

Edit on typos.....as always!!!!

[edit on 31/1/2009 by operation mindcrime]

Hi folks! I have lurked since page one and have been tempted to join on numerous occasions..Blah blah. Anyway, a couple of pages back, a contributor wrote in that they had experience with air sampling stations and that they kick in to back flush mode when they are inundated with stuff. Maybe Robin marks is right after all. Maybe as the activity increases, more VOCs and particulates are prevalent which necessitates regular purge cycles. Maybe we should be looking at the period of these purge cycles as an indicator of increased discharge. For example: if the caterpillars appear every half hour today and then every twenty minutes tomorrow, then "Huston we have a problem"!

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