Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


Close enough for rock and roll

The thread I am talking bout is in there.

Well, I guess the PTB turned all the sensors down, so now we can't see a thing.

Ok, maybe not.

But if consistent with some reading around, this swarm may continue for a while longer in phases, just like we've seen. Out of the blue and out of the calm the unexpected often strikes.

Is it possible to calculate Magnitude of EQ from data that GEE (real time viewer) gives?

reply to post by Memysabu


The person does have a point, though. The unusual activity has died down considerably. Check out this site. They have some of today's stuff up now, guys... www.quake.utah.edu... Compare today's activity with that of Dec. 29th.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


I just found the thread and searched for a post with a lot of links.

I got a star!

Does anyone know why the intensity of the steam coming out of the different geysers and fumeroles seems to move around, i.e. it doesn't come out of all of them at the same time. Do they have different water sources that get superheated at different times or......?

reply to post by TXTriker

it wasn't directed at you at all.Just think we can all relax a bit.

NOTICE!

This is a very LARGE thread and the mods have already given several warnings about one liners and general banter. If you notice, at the top of the page it shows the warning, and points out that there are already nearly 4000 replies. Not pointing fingers, but 10 pages of "Look at the pretty web cam" posts probably aren't contributing to the quality of this massive thread.

So far it's been a great source of information and entertainment. I'd hate to see it closed, or newcomers getting yelled at without realizing how closely it's being monitored.
I know...I'm guilty as well, but I had to share that pic.

Just thought I'd point it out if you're just joining in.

I will now go hide, nobody likes a party pooper.



Short thread with many good data links.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Peace

Originally posted by disturbed_much
Is it possible to calculate Magnitude of EQ from data that GEE (real time viewer) gives?

There probably is, but no one that I've seen has posted it so far. I looked through the Gee help pdf and couldn't find it, and searched online too, and zip.

What I do know is that scale readings in Gee for the 2.7 and 3.5 recently showed in the 300's and 600's (microns/sec.) And I believe that was for station TA H17A. By the time you hit a 5 mag you are looking at scale readings in the tens of thousands, so don't sweat the little stuff unless it looks like beads on chain. That could be a deeper sign of trouble.

[edit on 4-1-2009 by TrueAmerican]

reply to post by Memysabu


not trolling at all just watching whats going on and keeping a sain mind on the suibject.It makes no difference when I joined.Sorry to upset you.

Dec. 29 i497.photobucket.com...

Today i497.photobucket.com...

Of course, I suppose some of that would probably be due to the changing of the settings on the seismographs. It would be nice to know what the difference in the setting translates to regarding what we are looking at now.

Hmmm.. I must have linked it wrong to embed. Do I use the HTML link?

[edit on 4-1-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

reply to post by TrueAmerican


The way I understand it is that the order of magnitude increases exponentially in the same way that the decibel system increases. So yeah, it is going to start getting very large very quickly after 4.0 or so.

I was just looking at THIS site www.isthisthingon.org... for a bit of historical perspective on seismology in Yellowstone and I'd say that the activity today appears to be nothing unusual. Of course, it could ramp back up at any time I suppose. But I think the danger has passed for sure now. THIS is from March 11, 2008 www.isthisthingon.org...

I have been scrolling thru the Montana seismograms for two hours now. Some are quite harmonic. I cant find the site locations and could use some help. Maybe something cooking there. Stations to check out--------------STMT LYMT BEMT HRY LCCM Elliston MT. Maybe nothing but interesting,no wind please PEACEhg

Originally posted by disturbed_much
Is it possible to calculate Magnitude of EQ from data that GEE (real time viewer) gives?

Just posted that here:
Related Links/Data

reply to post by TwiTcHomatic


I have spent a good chunk of the day catching up – lost a couple days – whew!

Thank you for the u2u welcome and the “heads up”. Shame I haven’t posted enough to reply directly. My comments are backed up - they are watching effects on other planets. There have been changes in atmospheric pressure of >30% on Saturn (via satellite monitoring) over the past 18 years for just one example. They have also taken note of some peculiarities with the orbits of some of the planets and see evidence of pole shifts on them. Evidence has been found of at least 3 pole shifts in the past 10,000 or so years (cyclical) and included is evidence of climate change, huge geological catastrophe resulting in the disappearance of entire civilizations (they are being found underwater - off coasts of Cuba, India, Japan, etc.). The larger percentage of the human populous still insists upon living near the coasts - see the pattern? The reality is that we don't know a fraction as much about human history on Earth as we would like.

Tho they are of interest to me, I take prophecies with a grain of salt. Unfortunately, scientists (who have not let the 2012 issue get past them whatever your feelings are on the matter) are finding that historical writings, once deemed to be prophecy, are looking more and more like history lessons. We are entering another of the aforementioned cycles and that is all I was trying to convey with respect to the topic of this thread and the excellent research being contributed. I cannot imagine the effort going into pulling together the charts/data I’ve seen on this thread! However, looks like a couple moderators also commented about a couple of the topics I felt were contributing to all the activity. I have also spent countless hours sifting thru the garbage out there and have my own extensive compilation of data and resources on the upcoming alignment. I also still feel that it is pertinent to what has been going on with Yellowstone (everywhere else). I am at the very least happy to see that the thread has widened the observations to include how other earthquakes/ volcanoes interact with one another over time and distance.

P.S. My two dogs aren’t acting any goofier than usual but man is my guinea pig going nuts. You too can learn on your own.

reply to post by sageturkey


Some interesting reading. Sageturkey's oldest brother- Our other brother and I were in Jackson Hole, WY during the 1959 EQ. Sageturkey was not born yet lol

Yellowstone Caldera Resources
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Posted on: January 2, 2009 10:46 AM, by Greg Laden

With the increased seismic activity in the Yellowstone Caldera, it is likely that there is some increased interest in in the geology of the area. Here are some resources that should be of interest.

First, we have a fairly recent peer reviewed publication on the "Super Volcano" known as Yellowstone, including some discussion of just what a "Super Volcano" is.

The largest scale of volcanic eruptions, the so-called super-eruptions, can destroy all living beings and infrastructure over tens of thousands of square kilometres, can disrupt agriculture over millions of square kilometres and can alter global climate for years or decades. As such, society must endeavour to create reliable volcano-monitoring systems that can detect the sorts of Earth processes leading to large-scale explosive volcanism. Although the volcanological community has had some success in predicting small eruptions, the scarcity of great eruptions over the past 150 years means that we have little experience understanding the prelude to major events. This is particularly true at caldera systems, which are capable of large-scale volcanism and exhibit frequent unrest but have undergone only small eruptions historically...
The paper has some excellent graphics and the discussion of the geology is quite accessible.


Figure 2. Diagram illustrating seismic-wave-velocity anomalies in the shallow crust beneath Yellowstone as viewed from the southwest (adapted from Husen et al. 2004a). The orange volume outlines the anomaly attributed to partially molten rock extending above the main magma chamber (and beneath the surface expressions of the Sour Creek and Mallard Lake resurgent domes). The red volume is an anomaly with properties suggesting gas-filled fractured rock. The green dots are hypocentres from the 1985 earthquake swarm. The arrows are postulated trends of hydrothermal fluid flow from the magma body to the inferred gas-filled body ...

The paper by Lowenstern, Smith and Hill is available here (full citation below)

But wait! Before you download that, you may be more interested in a more recent and more written for the general public piece by Lowenstern and Hurwitz, available here. It's got even better graphics and is even more accessible.



Schematic cross-section of the crust beneath the Yellowstone Caldera based on Hildreth (1981) and Husen et al.

And when you are done reading these papers, you'll be the most well informed non-geologist visiting the USGS Yellowstone Volcano Observatory web site, located here.


And, as I've mentioned before, you can check out my earlier post on the caldera and my sister, Caldera Girl's, newspaper article on the subject.





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Lowenstern, J.B., Hurwitz, S. (2008). Monitoring a Supervolcano in Repose: Heat and Volatile Flux at the Yellowstone Caldera Elements, 4, 35-40

Jacob B. Lowenstern, Robert B. Smith, David P. Hill (2006). Monitoring super-volcanoes: geophysical and geochemical signals at Yellowstone and other large caldera systems Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A: Mathematical, Physical and Engineering Sciences, 364 (1845), 2055-2072 DOI: 10.1098/rsta.2006.1813




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Yellowstone animal deaths a few years ago and the magma chamber shown to scale (wow!)

www.youtube.com...://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=super+volcano&hl=en&emb=1&aq=1&oq=super+v&feature=player_embedded

What to expect 28 days before an eruption and harmonic tremors explained (briefly)

www.youtube.com...://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=super+volcano&hl=en&emb=1&aq=1&oq=super+v&feature=player_embedded

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by disturbed_much
Is it possible to calculate Magnitude of EQ from data that GEE (real time viewer) gives?

There probably is, but no one that I've seen has posted it so far. I looked through the Gee help pdf and couldn't find it, and searched online too, and zip.

What I do know is that scale readings in Gee for the 2.7 and 3.5 recently showed in the 300's and 600's (microns/sec.) And I believe that was for station TA H17A. By the time you hit a 5 mag you are looking at scale readings in the tens of thousands, so don't sweat the little stuff unless it looks like beads on chain. That could be a deeper sign of trouble.

[edit on 4-1-2009 by TrueAmerican]

if your super cool with math then some post i made way way back had a link that gave the exact formulas involved in finding the magnitude of an earthquake.

It made my head spin though.

Originally posted by disturbed_much
Is it possible to calculate Magnitude of EQ from data that GEE (real time viewer) gives?

you can do a seat of the pants estimate by selecting a central point and then the surrounding seismographs.

For example, I use LKWY as my focal point. I load the corresponding stations due east, north, south, and west.... in this case

east = TA-H18A / Shoshone
west = TA-H16A / Russell Place
north = TA-G17A / Pierce Place
south = TA-H17A / Grant Village

after a little practice, you will notice that it takes generally a 2.5 or so to show up on LKWY and 2 of the 4 surrounding areas. I havent seen anything bigger than a 2.5, But I would guess that a 3.0 or higher should hit all four stations.

Hi Everyone,

I live in Ohio and honestly, I am scared to death right now. I am no scientist but I do have good common sense and that tells me that we are closer than the experts are telling to a major eruption at YS. It seems obvious to me that the network news and newspapers are keeping strangely quiet about this entire situation.

I am not going to panic but I have played out the scenario and what it would mean to our survival in my head for days now, not good for any of us. I will prepare for at least one month of provisions. If it blows at least by the end of that month, I will know if I can survive in the world that is left or have the choice to end it. I just wish my kids and Grand kids were all near me now and not spread out all over the country.

God help us all