Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by trusername


I see so you can see if they overlap.Thanks..

Originally posted by Indy
I'm curious as to whether there are quakes happening in the park right now. It was mentioned the cam movement. I'm watching it too. I don't think it is wind. The cam is mounted on a tree. I've seen it in person. But you can see from the video the steam is blowing from left to right. The cam is rocking from top to bottom instead of swaying side to side.

Any theories as to how this could happen without it being quake related?

Hi Indy,

been pondering that too. I recall you said in a post about three days ago that you've been there and seen this cam, and that it's mounted under a tree canopy. So I'm wondering about a harmonic-motion effect if the tree is swaying in the wind.

For anyone to follow what I mean, try this:

hold up your right arm, bent at the elbow, so your forearm is vertical.Your forearm represents the tree. Now bunch your left fist and place it central on your right arm, end on (so that your knuckles line up at about 90 degrees to your vertical forearm). Now move your right forearm back and forth to simulate a tree swaying in the wind-- that is, bending at the elbow. See? Your fist (camera) will follow it, but if your were looking through a camera that way, you'd see up-and-down movement. It would only need to be quite minor movement at the tree to cause an exaggerated sense of up/down movement in the image, as we all know if we've tried shooting video at any range without a tripod.

I find this idea more feasible than that there are quakes sufficiently strong at fairly regular intervals to move the camera up and down, but apparently which do not at all disturb the people seen in the camera images.

Just my thoughts,

Mike

Oh -- as to the other, TrainDispatcher (hope I got it right) is quite correct. E/W, N/S and Up/Down motion.

EDIT: When I said "harmonic-motion effect" I wasn't referring to the "harmonics" of the type we have pondered about on the helicorders, but "simple harmonic motion", which means the way an object oscillates about a mean position.

[edit on 3/1/09 by JustMike]

Does anyone have a big screen monitor and beer and pizza, we can all come over and watch this together!

So, as to the camera shaking, there have been some more minor Q's?
Because I dont see any trees blowing around. hmmm

Helena Valley
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00:00 - 14:00 no activity

14:00 - 15:00 some lowlevel activity

15:00 - 18:00 little activity

18:30 - 22:30 some lowlevel activity

22:30 - 03:30 periodic lowlevel activity

03:30 - present strong lowlevel activity

Lewis and Clark Cavern
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00:00 - 13:30 no activity

14:00 - 14:30 lowlevel activity

14:30 - 18:30 little activity

18:30 - 22:30 lowlevel activity

22:30 - 03:30 periodic lowlevel activity

03:30 - present strong lowlevel activity

also check

Lyon Mountain

Bighole Peak

I think the activity got blocked further down the mantle plume, that goes northwest dipping 20 degrees ....

I am not sure we heard the last of this ....

The flier

Originally posted by sageturkey
Has anyone found a good monitoring widget or software program that has an audio alert or alarm feature?

For mac - the tremor skimmer. It is usually pretty right on - there have been occasional times when it has removed an earthquake -
only from yellowstone/wyoming though - : )
I've never noticed that it removed them from anywhere else - or I may just be a bit hyper - focused on yellowstone - (you think?) - which is why I noticed.

Most of the time anything removed is because it is quarry or drilling or something.

All in all good little item - with a friendly little female voice telling you what's happening.

[edit on 3-1-2009 by spinkyboo]

Some VERY slight noise begining to show up across the usual sites again. Anyone else seeing this? Very slight, but there.

reply to post by Yummy Freelunch


No One has given it to me except you.
I had it yesterday and I didn't save it.
Thanks!

reply to post by MagicaRose


You're welcome!
I just wish someone would wipe the lens of the camera!!!

reply to post by trusername


A few hours ago on GEE I was getting a few faint spikes at T17A (which is almost equivalent, speaking of location, to YLT station) that weren't appearing on LKWY, but I don't think the action has moved: these could be very small events that are normally relatively frequent about everywhere on Yellowstone Park.

I just came up with an idea that supports the WIND theory.

People have discounted the idea since someone discovered that the sensor is embedded in concrete inside a hole drilled down to over 500 Ft. There doesn't seem to be a way that wind could affect something buried so far.

See Diagram

These sensors are VERY sensitive. The slightest vibration from miles away can have an affect.

Wind can't blow hard enough to move a sensor embedded 500 Ft down in concrete but it can certainly move THE TREES.

I propose that the wind blowing through a stand of trees would vibrate the trees and therefore transfer that vibration into the ground where it can be detected by the extremely sensitive seismometer buried nearby.

It makes perfect sense to me and explains why certain senors have shown constant vibration over long periods of time. It also explains why the EXPERTS can't do anything about it. If you're going to put a seismometer in Yellowstone Park you're going to have to end up putting them near trees. Yellowstone's covered with trees.

reply to post by Yummy Freelunch


I believe sageturkey said he wasn't all that far from there, maybe someone could talk him into driving up and wiping it off, lol.

reply to post by Yummy Freelunch


I have a 65 inch with surround sound and all the eats and drinks, get to Wisconsin and it's on me

I live w/in 100 miles of YNP and I regularly drive thru the park from Jackson Hole to Cody 7 mos of the year (the East entrance is closed in winter). Over the last 8 yes I've noticed numerous disturbing changes: gas emissions in the Norris Basin, trees dying due to rising ground temps, changes in the lake level/shoreline, increased thermal activity, particulaly around Steamboat, etc... Most of these changes that I have observed are occurring on the NE side of the lake.
There is a large herd of bison in that area, I would estimate numbering well over 500 animals. I would be very interested in knowing if their behavior is normal. Also, there are very few tourists in the park right now, they come into the park in very limited numbers by snow coach and the number coming in daily by snowmobile is strictly limited by the govt.
thanks for the fascinating and very informative forum here!
Elostone

reply to post by MadDogtheHunter


OMG that would make everyones day here, wouldnt it!
Seeing him in front of the camera with a cloth and windex!!!! Im SO laughing at that!
But it would sure help us to see better..at least I havent seen people rolling around on the ground yet..or big fissures opening.

reply to post by Lil Drummerboy


Boy that's tempting, but quite a jog from Missouri, and my fuzzy jammies are so comfy right now!
But once this is all over we should have a "staying alive" party..well, hopefully, staying alive.

Originally posted by LazyGuy
I just came up with an idea that supports the WIND theory.

People have discounted the idea since someone discovered that the sensor is embedded in concrete inside a hole drilled down to over 500 Ft. There doesn't seem to be a way that wind could affect something buried so far.

See Diagram

These sensors are VERY sensitive. The slightest vibration from miles away can have an affect.

Wind can't blow hard enough to move a sensor embedded 500 Ft down in concrete but it can certainly move THE TREES.

I propose that the wind blowing through a stand of trees would vibrate the trees and therefore transfer that vibration into the ground where it can be detected by the extremely sensitive seismometer buried nearby.

It makes perfect sense to me and explains why certain senors have shown constant vibration over long periods of time. It also explains why the EXPERTS can't do anything about it. If you're going to put a seismometer in Yellowstone Park you're going to have to end up putting them near trees. Yellowstone's covered with trees.

The problem is, going back through 5 years of data, others here have not discovered anything that looks like what we have been seeing, and given that strongs winds are frequent here, you would expect to see this pattern replicated many times over . They say it isn't there.

Also, winds have continued but the harmonics have stoppsed.

There is no reasonable cause and effect between the wind and the harmonics we have seen. At laset this is how I have understood the information that has been shared here to play out.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[edit on 3-1-2009 by littleflower]

Originally posted by maeveoc
I have come across a great source for Technical White Papers and want to share it with those that may not be familiar with it or those that may want to continue their education in this area.

Great link! I've added it to the wiki

Thanks!
-K

reply to post by Bl0rg


yes, it sits right on top, sideways and deep in the bottom.
like Mount ST. Helens, it will blow when you least expect it and there's nothing you can do.

can someone post me a link to where we can see graphs older than 6 days old?

since now we see stuff that's all post crisis it's hard for me to remember normal lines.

how do we get to colored lines - say 12/20 ? nor november or octoboer - for comparison

and yep Mary's getting a little thicker again - slightly

but all this looks like the graph that were far away from the action a couple of days ago.

Like sageturkey I also live in Casper. I havn't bothered to look at a map but I am guessing we are about 150 straight miles from the lake. I have driven there a few times in the summer and it is like a 6.5 hr drive. In the winter it is only accesible by snowmobiles. If this intensifes and has a great chance of putting on a show I may take a week off to tour the park via sled. I posted this so people understand how difficult the area is to get to.