Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


And hope that he will release the 3d stuff where is talking about.

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Originally posted by trintrin

Originally posted by Not Authorized

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
reply to post by spinkyboo

 

I do believe those are harmonic tremors as well, (magma is a-movin') and remember this type of event can last for days and weeks.

Sorry, I don't believe those are harmonic.

I too have watched the Webicorders for years, and to be blunt this is typical noise you'll see in wind locations, or exposed locations prior to and following a storm. After watching the Cascade webicorders for years (namely after the Mt Hood Swarm) I've learned my lesson in noise with webicorders. This type of 'movement' is quite normal in wind, or storms, or if the sensor is turned up a bit to high. I've seen it before many times and learned not to even bother with it if theres wind or storm conditions -- unless the webicorder shows that it's protected from the elements. To compound the noise problem, some recorders seem to kick up the sensitivity a notch for a few hours after a quake and then drop back down to normal.

The Upper Falls (YUF) webicorder gives a much clearer picture as to whats going on, and is closer to the epicenters of the swarm than the Mary Lake webicorder is. No one is looking at that one though, as it's not as sensational about proclaiming harmonic quakes because the YUF doesn't have lots of squiggly lines. The YUP one is showing tectonic quakes without the noise.

I've seen entire days of worse noise in the cascades during a storm. For minor examples, Crater Lake and Mt Hood should blow up too as the past week they had the same type of noise, and if you caught the big storm 2 weeks ago -- all of the cascades should be gone. Also more so you can even see the noise increasing prior to the quakes further west at the YPP webicorder, ie the wind picking up.

Not to take the wind out of everybody's sails, but you have to realize you're dealing with wind conditions of 23mph with 39mph gusts across one of the largest altitude freshwater lakes in America that is currently flat as a board by being frozen over. Plus a winter storm coming that will create a ton of noise on the recorders not protected to the elements. Speaking of which the LYWY seismograph is stationed in nothing more than a concrete pillar. Want proof? Here's the seismograph from utah edu itself:



Please tell me you don't think that the wind isn't effecting it?

Last night a guy posted a picture of the LYWY seismograph from the UoU and it was a cement case over a bore hole that went down 500 feet and the seismograph was at around 300 feet underground.

Actually that was me the bore hole is hammer drilled down 800 feet
look back a few I listed the specs etc.

Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by iamcamouflage
reply to post by beefytee

 

In the event of an eruption, would jet streams be a good indicator of where the plume of smoke and ash will travel? Anyone know what the jet steam looks like over Yellowstone? Where will this cloud be carried? Directly west, towards Michigan and New England coast? North into canada? South towards the carolinas?

Jet Stream most likely to head northeast as always

If the ash dosn't get you the world wide volcanic winter probably will.

When Yellowstone goes big it injects alot of sulphur dioxide into the stratosphere which then becomes droplets of sulphuric acid which reflect alot of the sun's energy. The problem being that there is no weather in the stratosphere to cleans itself since this is the layer above the highest clouds. Therefore time (years) must pass for gravity to clean it out...

Shirakawa you are awsome!
Thanks for your update.
What about the 3D cube. Dimentionaly placing the events?
Did you do that one too?

reply to post by Ninja T. Penguin


So I'm not the only one who's recieved that 7.0M warning... that's good to hear.
I'm really wondering why they reduced it by 1.8M
But that is probably just some correction or I hope so

reply to post by NostradamusWasHere


How about that recently discovered magnetic hole or something.
It was released couple or weeks ago by nasa.
Maybe earth is getting ready for this big one?

my 2cts

My Yahoo's USGS Earthquake application reads:
* M 5.4, Santa Cruz Islands "- 1 hour ago"

January 02, 2009 20:48:00 GMT
* M 5.2, Santa Cruz Islands "- 1 hour ago"

January 02, 2009 20:37:18 GMT
* M 3.1, Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming "- 1 hour ago"

January 02, 2009 20:15:39 GMT
* M 5.1, central Mid-Atlantic Ridge "- 1 hour ago"

January 02, 2009 20:14:31 GMT
* M 5.1, central Mid-Atlantic Ridge "- 2 hours ago"

January 02, 2009 19:42:28 GMT
* M 3.2, Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming "- 2 hours ago"

January 02, 2009 19:40:53 GMT
* M 2.8, Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming "- 3 hours ago"

January 02, 2009 18:48:21 GMT
* M 3.5, Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming "- 3 hours ago"

January 02, 2009 18:32:49 GMT
* M 2.7, Unimak Island region, Alaska "- 5 hours ago"

January 02, 2009 16:12:50 GMT
* M 3.0, Virgin Islands region "- 6 hours ago"

January 02, 2009 14:53:35 GMT

for the las ten 2.5 or higher.

Evacuation Warning! - Yellowstone National Park Area

Linked for relevance. Does anyone here think that the warning is valid?

reply to post by Mushussu


The cube was needed to make out things when EQs were showed in perspective, but since for this one I used an orthogonal (flat, no perspective) view with north pointing left, I thought there wasn't need for it. If I had a Yellowstone elevation map 3d mesh I could have added it to the scene for clarity, but I don't know where to find one.

Even a flat (2d) grayscale elevation map would be ok as POV-Ray can automatically create a mesh for it. Of course it would need to be detailed for such a small area.

[edit on 2009/1/2 by Shirakawa]

reply to post by Shirakawa


It was very good last time and I thought worth asking again.
Thanks for trying.

Here is something interesting. Readings from Flagg Ranch which is about 150 miles from yellowstone lake look alot like the readings from yellowstone lake.

www.quake.utah.edu...

If someone would like to call Mr Sanders, I believe I have his number . . .

reply to post by Mushussu


Just spoke with Joe Anderson of Wyoming Homeland Security, an All-Hazards Analyst. He said basically the same thing that we already know, they're listening closely to the USGS guys and are basically relying on them to give the word and activate the public warning systems if need be.
In the mean time, they're keeping quiet as to not induce panic unless (until) it's warranted.
He gave me the name of a Lt. Stu Anderson of the Sherrif's department in our county, he's the local coordinator here. On to the next call...

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by beaverg

 

Gee, ya might get to ask him about it. If Mr. Sanders is still CEO at Lone Star Natural Gas he's got an email invitation to join us here. I've been doing a little research on him and I think he is no dummy.

Sorry I did not mean to imply that I thought he was a dummy. I've been trying to research him as well. What I've found so far was that Lone Star Natural Gas became Enserch Corp and is now merged with TXU (at least in TX) Not sure if in other states it is still a separate company.

Would you be willing to share what you have found?

Thanks.

reply to post by MemoryShock


That geologist looks rather sensationalist and overacts during his monologue duing his youtube video speech.

I would take any advice coming from him very lightly.

reply to post by coolvibe


Yes, the Earth could be getting ready to do a pole-reversal, so the scientists say:

"Fluctuations in the magnetic field have occurred in several far-flung regions of Earth, the researchers found."

Buy also say it could take "thousands of years" to complete...

"Earth's Core, Magnetic Field Changing Fast, Study Says"
news.nationalgeographic.com...

I would agree that we are seeing harmonic tremors. there are far too many similarities with Mt St Helen, and teh sheer number of temblors in a localized area and at such shallow depths...

I'm in Vancouver BC and well west enough of Yellowstone to be "safe". however i can't help but wonder if the subduction zone which links to the Jan DeFuca will experience massive slippage IF Yellowstone releases (either hydrothermal or otherwise).

USGS, FEMA and Homeland security would naturally try to avert panic...and through those "good" intentions may, (again a big IF) IF Yellowstone releases, put hundreds of thousands at risk.

I doubt that any seismologists or volcanists keeping watch over the park's activities would take that likely and I would hope they would leak info if it meant possibly saving lives.

It is such an unknown though...they don't know exactly what they're dealing with and might not know the exact ramifications until it's right under their noses (or feet). THAT is what is so freaky about volcanoes...

all of this may end with no eruptions at all, or it may go.

I seriously would be inching westward if I lived in the "zone". better safe than sorry sometimes and this may be worth the interruption in daily life to move away from the area.

Waiting it out though seems the most practical given what we've heard from USGS and Yellowstone so far...so I guess it's relying on gut instinct if you live out that way.

Originally posted by MemoryShock
Evacuation Warning! - Yellowstone National Park Area

Linked for relevance. Does anyone here think that the warning is valid?

We are trying to find out. the guy isnt associated with the usgss or even fema etc. But he is a private geo....he posted that on youtube...one of the girls emailed the place he is supposed to be the head of...the gas company there I believe.

reply to post by MemoryShock


Guy came off to me like a crackpot in his video -- at the very least melodramatic... No special knowledge IMO, at least that he provided. Plus he links through his commercial web-site. That could be double-edged in that he puts he and his company's reputation on the line, but I don't see credentials. I would like to see more on these models, however... Do we still seem to detect something rising towards the surface?

[edit on 2-1-2009 by pantangele]

reply to post by MemoryShock


The validity of this warning has been discussed in this thread.
It has become clear that the geologist is no professional; although he might have the required skills.
He was even invited to this forum.
Still, he is the first one to take the risk of warning the people; a bold move nonetheless.
I don't know whether to see his warning as worth following, but as noone really knows what's happening in Yellowstone, noone can tell you whether the area should be evacuated or not.
I'd personally try to evacuate if possible, but then again, if the activity slowed down in the enxt ~4 days, I'd return; no sense in wasting your time.