Scores killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by Ex_MislTech

 

Palestinians lie? No, never! Wait, a new link to Pallywood! Thanks to the person who found it! www.take-a-pen.org...

Well how convinient for you since you do not explain the material you just posted miss pinky.You just throw it in as garbiege and shout pollywood.
That is all you do, I wonder if the mods took notice but you are spaming the forum with the same garbiege over and overg again.



That article proves jack.

Where is this taking place? Is it in Israel? What are Israely troops doing there stationed. Don't you know it's a violation of international law?

I would do the same if they were ocuping my country and I was a kid, I would pick up rocks and throw them at the people ocuping my country.


Your article is not credible because the kid in the first picture is not the kid
in the second picture. In the first picture it's a blue head scarf, in the second one the kid in the picture has a purple scarf.If you can't make a difrence betwen colors that is your bussines.

But notice the above-right photo taken by the very same photographer just minutes earlier. It shows the same little 'innocent" kid throwing rocks at these soldiers.

Other articles from the source just provide junk material with pictures that do not make anything clear.

Photographers take pictures of a Palestinian woman as she cries next to the 8-meter-tall wall part of the barrier Israel is building to separate the outskirts of Jerusalem from the West Bank in the village of Abu Dis Saturday Feb. 7, 2004. .. (AP Photo/Enric Marti)

Show me the picture where she smiles, got anything to back that up?
People can cry and look like they are smilling.Ever herd of a sarrow smile?

Liar, liar
Middle East's most professional liar: Saeb Erekat, Palestinian "minister of Truth" and inventor of the Lie of the "Jenin massacre", that never was.

Source for this material.
(a reader's letter published in Jerusalem Post, Friday, Jan 3, 2003)
This article holds credibility when pigs will trully fly.


See most of it is junk, you decide to throw in crapy links and hope for the best.Grow up, people get killed and once you get older you will notice no one is invincibe and the world is not all make up and pretend, especialy in a war zone where bombs fall, bullets roar like wild animals, and people become monsters.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
you have said a lot of things aren't true, but have yet to prove not just the truth of any single one of your statements, but have yet to explain why...

Ahh? Sir? It is you that has said so much in each of your posts that every time I try to quote you the monitor has to remove the quote for taking up too much space.

If you wish to debate, make one or two points at a time rather than hogging the space on the pages with your rhetorical nonsense and racist bias to the point that no one can quote you.



[edit on 29-12-2008 by John Matrix]

reply to post by GamerGal

Proof it isn't more Pallywood? Once they cried wolf when there was no wolf well, now they need to prove there is a wolf. You shouldn't take their word that a wolf is there. You should first see if there are tracks, and if so where they lead before believing there is a wolf.

First off, I have not cried wolf. You are claiming some YouTube video of a supposed staged reenactment of an Israeli strike on Palistinian civilians supercedes and negates all other histories and facts.

It is you crying wolf.

Now if you would like to learn more about the root cause of the problem I assure you that your YouTube video crusade will not solve then the best place to start out is with the United Nations British Mandate and Partition Plans and Maps...

From the U.N. not YouTube

This will be challenging for you as it requires reading and not watching.

It will be further challenging as there is no editorial urging you to draw a specific conclusion but is simply a rendering of facts where you get to draw your own conclusion as to the importance of the facts and there bearing on the issue.

For instance my conclusion is the facts of your video have no bearing on the greater issue or the other facts.

I require a greater range of facts than an 18 minute video whose context, source, and bearing is meaningless in the historic scope of things.

You evidently don't. However if you would like to attempt to debunk the United Nation's official reports through YouTube google away. You might actually want to read the United Nations Reports first though, so you know what your trying to dismiss.

United Nations Plan of Partition and End of British Mandate

United Nations Map of Palestine 1947 showing Jewish and Arab sections

Now these are links to the actual United Nations Web Site, and actual United Nations Documents.

Hint...if any Hamas rockets are hitting the dark gray areas on the map...it's not terrorism, it's reprisals against theives.

Hint...if there aren't Palestinians living in the dark gray areas on the map, there are theives living there in their place, and that might just be what the Palestinians are upset about.

Hint...your silly video has nothing to do with that.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I am not claiming Youtube video proof. It is a documentary which I have linked to the Original site AND Youtube, since some people prefer Youtube. And I recently provided another link to more Pallywood. Sad, Palestinians break in to a hospital and smash new borns in the head with a hammer, no problem. Israel blows up said baby killers, you're up in arms.

The people of Israel have every bit as much of a right to live in the land of Israel as the Arab Muslims calling themselves Palestinians who took the land a thousand years ago.

This claim by people that they should have absolute claim over a region of the Earth forever is pure garage. The land of theEarth is for everyone, and Israel has every bit as much of a right to exist as any country in the Middle East, or the world for that matter.

The Israelis have not stolen any land any more than the Palestinians., or the rest of the people on the planet.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Alexander Hamilton were part of known terrorism organization too!

Hey guess what, so were Menachem Begin, Yitzshak Shamir, Ariel Sharon and quite a few other prominent Israeli Politicians part of known terrorist organizations.

If I am to follow your circular logic, then Israel should not be supported, and neither should me own government.

I think I will just follow my Constitutional Rights won for me by a group of men labelled terrorists by the Government they were fighting against, but Patriots by the people they were fighting for.

My government is a representative body of the people's will, which is something called democracy. To date no ballot referendum has been initiated for the people of this country to empower the legislative body that irrevocable distinction of labeling Hamas a Terrorist Organization. In fact it has only in deference to Israel as no one from Hamas has ever done a thing to me, or anyone I know here in America.

No one I know in America though stole their lawfully owned ancestral lands and herded them into cramped and squalid conditions and held them there minus due process or self determination or fired on their women and children indiscriminately over their reaction to the duress of being so disenfranchised.

In fact my government has passed so much unconstitutional legislation since some men with some Israeli sounding accents flew some planes into a few of our buildings, I am considering labeling my government along with yours a terrorist organization.

My government would like me to live in fear. People should never be afraid. Your government would like me to live in fear. People should never be afraid.

My government though is a little confused as to what inalienable rights actually are. It means they can never be taken away, even if corrupt politicians try to foolishly vote them away on our behalf in treasonous ways.

The good news is I don't need to defend myself. Israel does from the specific charges of waging a Terrorist Campaign against the lawful British Mandate and not honoring the treaties that led to legal Jewish immigration to Palestine!

See I haven't done anything wrong. Israel has, that's why it has rockets lobbed at it. Any fool can see that.

You would have to be twice a fool to see it differently.

I think you really enjoy your own posts? I am not going to respond to any of it until you narrow your statements down to one or two. I'm not going to engage in these long winded rants of yours.

reply to post by John Matrix

Ahh? Sir? It is you that has said so much in each of your posts that every time I try to quote you the monitor has to remove the quote for taking up too much space.

That would be because you don’t know how to break up the post into point by point quotes with point by point responses. What the monitor has said is the quotes you are posting are too large. You are forcing the thread reader to reread everything I have posted in their entirety at once and then responding as best you can in your own lovable way to those all at once, which robs the continuity.

It’s why they are removing your quotations of my posts when you do this, and not removing my posts.

If you wish to debate, make one or two points at a time rather than hogging the space on the pages with your rhetorical nonsense and racist bias to the point that no one can quote you.

Now here is what you might want to try Sir…open a word processing program in another window of your computer. Copy the material you wish to quote and paste it into the word processing program. Make sure when you do this you select Paste Special and select unformatted text so you get just the text and not the HTML coding.

Then break up the bulk of material you wish to quote from into individual points.

Write your responses to each individual points in an area between the quotes in your word processing program by using the enter key to give you blank typing space.

When you finish your replies to each point, go back to the ATS post you wish to respond to and click respond. Click quote and then paste the first part of the quote into that box. Then go back to your word processing program and copy your reply to that specific quoted point and then go back to your ATS box and paste it beneath the quote.

Repeat this process as many times as necessary to include all the material you wish to quote by breaking it into specific quoted points and replies in this manner.

In this reply I broke your quote into too sections and responded in two sections by this manner.

That should keep you in the moderator’s good graces.

reply to post by John Matrix

I think you really enjoy your own posts?

Why yes I participate in forums because I like writing and sharing opinions, information, references and editorializing on subjects and matters I am passionate about?

I hope you find your participation likewise enjoyable.

I am not going to respond to any of it until you narrow your statements down to one or two. I'm not going to engage in these long winded rants of yours.

Well…just like Israel and the United States don’t like responding to terrorist ultimatums neither do I!

I am attempting to share with others. Should someone provide me the winning lottery ticket in a soiled, ratty, stained, foul looking envelope, I don’t imagine myself turning it down.

It would be up to you to determine individual value in reading my posts and responding to my posts.

I want you to know, you are under no such obligation on either account.

You are more than welcome too on both accounts though.

Thanks.

reply to post by John Matrix


The answer is simple, ignore protoplasma's insane ramblings. All he does is repeat the same nonsense. His blatantly racists attacks only succeed in garnering more sympathy for the Israelis, except of course with other racists.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by poet1b

 

Do you really believe your twisted and biased version of U.S. history, or do just like to spread distortions of the truth.

All the hours and years I have spent studying it…yeah. Still study it daily…lots to learn, you might want to try that sometime

I removed the rest of your rant after reading this first line which clearly is an attempt to impress upon us with how intelligent, witty and studious you think you are. Then comes the condescending dig, "you might want to try it sometime".

Well sir, you might want to try some humility, meekness, patience, and brotherly love. You would be amazed with the benefits to your character as well as your spiritual and physical well being.

The reallity of things.Here it is,this is what really happens.See how they point the gun away and fire.Welcome to the Gaza Concentration Camp.

Travelers are now being advised to be on the look out when visiting India, since the Muslim terrorist began targeting Westerners. At some point, all efforts at estabishing peace with these people are going to have to abandoned if things don't change soon.

www.usatoday.com...

The State Department, however, says that more than 600 people have been killed in terrorist attacks in major Indian cities since October 2005, including four large-scale bombings or attacks this year.

Besides last month's attacks, there were seven simultaneous attacks on commuter trains in Mumbai in July 2006. In New Delhi, several markets were bombed or attacked this past September and in October 2005. Explosives also were detonated on a train northwest of Delhi in February 2007.

"Multiple, simultaneous bombings in crowded public places in India over the past three years represent an increasing threat to American citizens traveling to India," the State Department says in its current report on India.

Muslim terroirsts tortured innocent Israelis in India before executing them.

life.atlantafalcons.com...

"Mumbai attacks: Jews tortured before being executed during hostage crisis
Israeli hostages killed by Islamic terrorists during the attacks on Mumbai (formerly Bombay) were tortured by their captors before they were bound together and killed, according to officials in both countries.

Doctors expressed horror at the condition of the bodies recovered from the Nariman Building, which housed the Orthodox Chabad-Lubavitch retreat.

"I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was traumatised," a mortician said. "It was apparent that most of the dead were tortured. What shocked me were the telltale signs showing clearly how the hostages were executed in cold blood."

The group that stormed Bombay's most famous institutions displayed unrestrained brutality throughout the mission. The captain of a fishing trawler hijacked by the group in Arabian Sea was found with his throat cut.

Police said 17 victims were pushed against a wall in the corridor of the Oberoi hotel and executed in a line.

One man who served a glass of water to a terrorist at Bombay's main railway station was shot in the forehead.

I certainly don't want these types to be able to roam the planet. They are a threat to everyone, even their own kind. It is the same all over.

Of course as ussual, Muslims and their sympathizers deny that the killers were Muslims, even though they have the bodies of the killers, and they are all identified. Israel can't be trusted, the U.S. can't be trusted, Brittain can't be trusted, India can't be trusted, The Danish can't be trusted, the list goes on and on and on. The real truth is that it is the Muslims who can't be trusted, they continuously lie without remorse, as that is what their religion teaches them to do.

What will it take to end this madness?

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
"GamerGirl, are you truly as ignorant of reality as your posts suggest? Your posts mark you as being so utterly clueless as to be dangerous to civilized society. Your brand of uncompromising support of Israel's terrorism of the Palestinians only encourages more of the same inhuman barbaric conduct by the Isreali regime."

There is no need for this attack on GamerGirl. Personally, I find her stance to be honorable and just. I think she displays superior intelligence and compassion for the Palestinian people that want peace but are caught up in the middle of this terrorist regime called Hamas. And, Israelis are not terrorists. They are soldiers defending their country and working to ensure the peace and safety of the Israeli people.

Now, I have addressed, throughout the four or five threads, every single accusation against Israel by placing commentary, videos, and links that only a fool would ignore. I am not going to continue re posting my research. If you want it, go and find it...it's posted already. Then, when you have seen all of my research and posts, then come back to me.

Be nice, and may the God of Israel bless you.

[edit on 29-12-2008 by John Matrix]

reply to post by GamerGal

I am not claiming Youtube video proof. It is a documentary which I have linked to the Original site AND Youtube, since some people prefer Youtube. And I recently provided another link to more Pallywood. Sad, Palestinians break in to a hospital and smash new borns in the head with a hammer, no problem. Israel blows up said baby killers, you're up in arms.

Why yes it can be very sad the extent both sides to any conflict will go to, to shape favorable public opinion to their cause, or attempt to divert focus from their own short comings, failures, larcenies, and deceptions by strenuously pointing to their opponents engaged or alleged to be engaged in the same thing.

Clearly your contention is in these specific cases the propaganda lacks a crisp clean professional edge to it that makes it exciting and enjoyable to watch as a reality based production. I like Law and Order Criminal Intent and 24 myself, I know they are fake shows but I don’t mind.

Any party to a conflict especially where governments are concerned engages in a propaganda war. This war is fought for the hearts and minds of the people. The more hearts and minds you can win to your cause, the greater latitude and support can typically be found in the prosecution of your cause. I would feel sorry for the Arabs and Israelis alike if either of the parties were failing in their responsibilities to utilize propaganda to win hearts and minds.

Propaganda is always aimed at the less educated, less informed masses. These are segments of the population that administrators within government know lack the skills or inclination or both to actually obtain the true facts. If the American people where told they had to fight the war in Afghanistan because the Taliban had refused to lay an oil pipeline for Royal Dutch Shell for the pittance Shell was offering them and ripped up the entire poppy crop used to make Heroine to provide to the CIA for export to American Markets, causing hundred of billions of dollars of loss in illegal drug revenue and prohibiting Shell from transshipping Azerbaijan’s oil to easy market, they probably wouldn’t want to fight that war. So you get your sister intelligence Agency the Mossad to fly some airplanes into some American Buildings, take out some people you don’t like and some incriminating paper trails in the process and blame it all instead on the people you want to dupe the average citizen into paying dollars and lives in fighting a war.

It’s called propaganda. Now maybe what I just posted is purely hypothetical, or maybe its propaganda or maybe it’s the truth. That would be up to you having the skills and inclination to find out.

Now with any luck, that is if you happen to be a heroine dealer, oil tycoon, or intelligence operative, the person with some skills and some inclination is just going to find out enough to be really, really confused as to whether they know for sure or don’t.

Now that person has two not so great choices, put forth their maybe right conclusions and be labeled a nut because it’s not the official propaganda version, or accept the official propaganda version so no one thinks or labels them a nut, even though…guess what, their skills and inclination might have actually uncovered the actual truth.

Crazy huh? I think so, so is people fighting over a swath of dessert. Israelis are horrible cooks, and those nutty Arabs eat with their hands! I don’t get it, I just get too much of my tax money goes to this nonsense. That’s why I like to look for root causes, because there you can find a really crazy thing called s-o-l-u-t-i-o-n-s.

Now because it is a crazy world and the only person who has gotten away with claiming they never told a lie was George Washington, I like to look at every Tom, Dick and Harry’s claim no matter who Tom, Dick or Harry is or how wacko they seem to be. Then I like to read and study it all, and then based on the fact that the world is crazy, I look for the plausible form of insanity that makes life what it is to reconstruct the likely facts that best fit the insane puzzle.

I don’t want to brag but I have an intuitive ability at that, that at times makes some of the wealthiest and influential people in the nation ask me for my take on things, go figure!

I promise I will make my 19 year old daughter watch your ballywood videos if you read the U.N. Reports

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by bodrul

 

To wipe Islam? wont go down that path

Sadly yes, part of the Zionist agenda is to wipe out Islam.

Zionism has four specific goals.

1. The establishment of an Israeli State.
2. To dominate all the lands from the brooks of Egypt to the Euphrates.
3. To build the Third Temple on the Ruins of the first two.
4. To rule the world from it with a repressive dictatorship.

To build the Third Temple they have to tear down the Dome of the Rock, which they know requires stamping out most of Islam first.

Yet another diatribe that I had to cut down to the above false statements.

1. Zionists have no such agenda to wipe out Islam....that is a flat out lie.
2. There is no goal to establish an Israeli state.....that was already done in 1947-1948.....so that is another flat out lie.
3. They want to dominate the land and they should. God gave it to them.
4. They do want to build their new temple, on the original site of their old temple....so what?
5. To rule the world with a dictatorship? Another lie.

reply to post by poet1b


This is a link to a site that contends that the Mumbai terrorists may have been Muslim but likely were Indian and not Pakistani Muslims.

Interview with Mumbai Terrorists (Translated)

There is some speculation as to whether they were even Muslim as they were unsure what their specific demands or greivances where when first pressed.

The eventually cited a Mosque that was blown up in India and a call to release all Muslims held in India.

Once again like 9-11 in the United States a rush to make judgement before a court of law can decide seems to serve a political agenda towards justifying a war against an entire nation versus prosecuting specific criminals and providing a forum in so doing where the public might become aware of all the facts versus simply the political pretexts for wars of aggression.

Hey did I mention an Oil Pipeline through Afghanistan in a previous post. It's intended route is to the Pakistani coast. Sure seems like not all Muslims want to be in the oil business to me!

Trans Afghan Pipeline Wikipedia

reply to post by John Matrix


When I get treated with respect, I return the same, when I get treated like some inferior critter, as you have just done, I lose respect for the person who chooses to act in this manner. When people preach lies and distortions as the truth, I refuse to play the politically correct game.

Do you have any posts to do with the subject matter, or are you just here to preach to people. You might want to learn to practice some of that humility yourself.

reply to post by John Matrix

Yet another diatribe that I had to cut down to the above false statements.

Wow John you sure are on a roll tonight as usual to discredit and deny.

Prove them wrong! Show me an official Zionist Membership Brochure with bylaws!

Got one? Or do you just want to keep going through the thread trying to paint people as racists, malcontents or nut cases so you can continue to avoid...

The Zionist Terrorist campaign against the lawful United Nations British Mandate of Palestine...

That targeted and killed...

British Officials
Jewish Immigrants
Arab natives

That was waged to steal all the land of Palestine and not honor the U.N. Mandate that made Jewish immigration legal.

Seems to me none of you and your very sensitive friends can't answer that.

Don't want to have to answer that.

Are afraid to speak to it.

Or even try to answer it.

Makes you look very guilty of something...

I wonder what it is.

reply to post by AllTiedTogether


What Hitler was prior to forming his own cult really doesn't matter. He formed a cult that became a brutal genocidal killing machine. Look where it got him, because your hated will carry you to the same black hole. Those who choose the way of hatred have signed their own fate.
It is not correct to blame Christians, especially Christians living in the here and now.
Choose the way of love, humility, patience, compassion and turn from the dark side and you will be on solid ground.

May the God of Israel open your eyes and bless you.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by mybigunit

 

Actually, the Arabs have tried to bum rush Israel numerous times, and each time, they got their collective asses kicked.

And not just a little bit. They were humiliated.

In fact, I would suggest that this will indeed happen again, maybe not right now, and I would further suggest that the results will be exactly the same.

You don't footrace the Flash, you don't swordfight with Zorro, you don't bike race with Lance Armstrong, and you don't attack Israel.

How many times do we have to go through this?

You forgot a few!

you don't pee on Superman's cape,
You don't spit into the wind ,
you don't pull the mask of the ole Lone Ranger,
and you don't mess around with Jim.