Scores killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

im not sure but, i have some ideas... Can you point me to the corresponding scriptures?

Where do I come from?

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are endowed by their creator to certain unalienable rights, among these are the right to life, liberty and the pusuit of happiness.

What right do you people think you have to tell others where they can or can not live. The land that is now called Israel was a barren land sparsely occupied, now the Arabs living there number in the millions. Where did they come from?

Who were the principle people involved in developing the atomic bomb, keeping us just slightly ahead of our competitors? Those who are not willing to fight for their liberty and freedom deserve neither.

Yeah, I know what you two are saying: What have you done for me lately.

reply to post by poet1b


a yes or no will suffice:

DO you believe everyone has the right to live wherever they want?

reply to post by Government Cheese


Just a yes or a no. I have already answered a question for you, now your turn.

Do you think you have a right to tell people where they can live?

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If said people pose a threat to me or my loved ones, yes.

Do you have children? If so, you certainly wouldnt mind if a Tier 3 sexual predator moved into the house next to yours right?

reply to post by Government Cheese


Yuou mean like people who are known to kidnap 12 year old girls and sell them into sexual slavery in a foriegn land were marriage to little girls is legal?

No, we are not talking about criminals, we are talking about people who have committed no crimes. Stop trying to dodge the question.

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If you prefer to only to talk about people who have committed no crimes, I assume you wont be talking about the Israeli government then correct?

I already answered your question.

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First you claim that you can't recall insulting anyone, and then you insult me again. You think wrapping your insults into some sort of attempt at being clever makes them less of an insult. That technique only works of barbarians, my poor insecure friend.

Well just like all your other accusations of Mohamed did this, and Muslims did that, we never quite get to hear what, where, when or specifically they did these things from you.

So unless you can are willing to point to some specific statement regarding these accusations of less than gentlemanly and cordial treatment, how could I possibly concur or even redress them?

Yeah, I am familiar with the whole CFR story. It really has nothing to do with what is going on. It is all part of a big cover up to hide who is doing what to whom.

I am fairly clear on who is doing what to whom.It actually has a lot to do what's going on as the CFR's real complete mission is to control the world's economy to be held in private hands to submerge United States Sovereignty to enable a one world government to be held in same private hands.

Zionist hands.

I am also familiar with the story of how things unfolded during the original attempt to create independent states for Israel and Palestine. It was the Arab Muslims who pulled a false flag operation ending Brittains efforts to enable a controlled and peaceful creation of Israel and Palestine states.

I posted a lengthy act by act detailed account of all terrorist acts by Zionists and Arabs and British Reprisals in 1946 a few pages back, it doesn’t support your once again nameless, and dateless generalizations and assertions, please reference or post something specific or credible to this end.

I have.

The Arabs lack the sophistication and understanding of the concept of a false flag attack. The only false flag attacks documented in these so called terror wars, was Israel’s on the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 and Israel’s on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on 9-11.

It became clear from the beginning that Muslims would never play fair, and this problem continues on to this day. It is the same situation all over the world. As I keep pointing out, the recent attacks in India are just addition examples of how these Muslim radicals conduct their business.

Yes you keep saying this, but the reality is Terrorist leaders in Mumbai were heard speaking in English with British accents. It’s highly doubtful a beleaguered Pakistan barely able to contain the incursions along it’s border with Afghanistan from NATO forces while attempting to maintain a tentative majority in the government while struggling to limit Taliban activities in it’s lawless providences along the border with Afghanistan would risk opening up a second front with it’s biggest and most powerful enemy.

Like 9-11 nothing has been brought to or proven in a court of law but is just lets assume the stone hut crowd pulled off these daring well coordinated logistics without a camel and stopping to pray six times a day with a rug in tow.

It’s as nonsensical conclusion.

As has been pointed out in this thread, faking attacks and setting up innocents for slaughter tend to be standard tactics for Muslim terrorists.

Wow, I have been involved in the whole threat and I have yet to see any documented proof of that. Do you have any? Or is that something I should have asked Olive Oil too?

Someone on this thread did just post a credible article that Israel let food trucks into Gaza for the first time the night before it's air assualts began and gave leave to it's southern command staff to throw off any suspicions they might attack on the Sabbath so they could catch Hamas members unaware.

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I guess it depend on your morality. It is a small world, and even the people on the other side of the planet are neighbors, so I don't want people who are a threat to my liberty and the liberty of my loved ones to have access to my family or myself, especially people who are willing to blow up women and children to advance their political causes.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Good people should be allowed to live anywhere, bad people should be in jail.

As a Jew let me say 'not in my name': This response by Israel is way out of proportion, way over the top and smacks of downright cowardice.

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And do you believe Israel to be "good people"?

You are aware of their crimes against the U.S. correct?

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Oh, so now you admit that you did insult me.

You do a great job of distorting the facts and jumping to amazing conclusions with no proof to back them up, but all you express is opinion.

Where do I come to my conclusions about Mohammad?

Here is the result of a quick google search.

www.bibleprobe.com...

As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries

Based on the reporting that we got a few years ago in the Israeli actions against Hezbollah. I will wait until the smoke clears and the facts can be seen.

Remember a few years ago when there were pictures of people killed in an Israeli airstrike? Then a few pictures later the people who were laying around "dead" were up and running around. We learned later that the Reuters photographer staged the pics.

Then as if that wasn't enough there were those Photoshopped pics of an Israeli missile striking in the middle of a group of people running through a vacant lot. Later, we learn that the pics were fake.

Then we found out that the International Red Cross was hauling arms and rockets to the front for Hezbollah. They said that they had to do it, or Hezbollah would not allow them to continue their "humanitarian mission".

So, this time around, I'll wait and see.

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So you are saying that all Israelis are bad people?

Sound like racism to me.

I believe that Israel has its share of bad people, just as Islam has its share of good people. There are things I object to about judaism, but there are far more things I object to about Islam.

This cry of Israel baaad, Palestinians goood doesn't work for me. I feel for the Palestinian people, and hope they succeed in getting rid of the radicals in their midst.

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You can post where I said all Israeli's are bad, or you can stop using the braindead tactics of those who refuse to accept fact.

Only feeble minded fools equate criticism of Israel with anti semitism.

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Oh, so now you admit that you did insult me.

Oh I get it, you are actually playing out the Popeye role? Could I get a Popeye Chuckle with that?

Once again, I am asking for something credible regarding the actual situation with Israel and the Palestinians, not your superbly rendered personal dislike for any and all things Muslim.

It's why I stopped responding to you this afternoon.

A mass stereo typing of a world's religion as a pretext to not honor Mandates and Treaties or provide adequate compensation for illegally confiscated properties is not sufficient cause to wage genocidal wars of aggression.

Your inability to deal with the actual core issues regarding Israel’s and her preceding Zionist Terrorist Groups actions in dishonoring and reneging on lawfully binding treaties seems indicative of just why Israel continues to suffer the consequences of it’s poor actions and deeds.

Honestly I don’t think your approach is endearing Americans and is in fact an alienating one.

As many wise people have pointed out in this thread, the loss of American weaponry, munitions and financial aide would likely leave Israel in such a tenuous position as for it to no longer be viable as a sovereign nation.

So if you want to keep on distorting and dodging facts, and trying to intimate people through fear mongering and personal diminishment I would frankly be delighted as it will just effect that inevitable divorce of our two incorrectly and unconstitutionally conjoined nations.

I think what a lot of Americans have been telling Israelis and pro-Israeli supporters in these threads is we feel the tactics are heavy handed, and your nation has lost sympathy and credibility due to it’s inability to make any meaningful and tangible concessions to the millions of indigenous natives you confine to inadequate living spaces and fail to provide the means to a quality life too, while denying them any opportunity to achieve one through their own efforts or means.

If Israeli arrogance or shortsightedness fails to register this message then I do hope you fully realize that beggars ought not be dictators in the fullness of time.

Good night Popeye, give my regards to Olive Oil.

reply to post by Government Cheese


You state that

And do you believe Israel to be "good people"?

as if all Israelis are not good people, and I am biased?

You are the one with the biased opinion, and your comments clearly demonstrate this. Your hand has been clearly exposed.

Originally posted by poet1b
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You do a great job of distorting the facts and jumping to amazing conclusions with no proof to back them up, but all you express is opinion.

Where do I come to my conclusions about Mohammad?

Here is the result of a quick google search.

www.bibleprobe.com...

Wow..just wow...you can not solve deep historical problems which can not be reduced to simple "facts" through "quick google search". I recommend you to reflect on the history of all religions, of all crimes of all pantheist religions (including yours). If you use such an arrogant and ignorant argumantation, such as bush and his team did, you will only gain more enemies and we all will fall to a ceazy war. why people can not see that things are always much more complicated than they think? Are you so lazy?

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And yet you continue to reply to me. Clearly you see how you are losing the debate.

The problem is far more complicated than you care to see. Your constant one sided portrayal fools no one but those who have already made up their minds. You refuse to look at the situation from a neutral perspective, so anyone who looks for a more realistic understanding is always wrong according to you. This attempt to claim that Israel has no right to exist in the middle east is just more fuel to the fire. If you think you are doing anything to work towards a decent solution you are only fooling those who choose to be fooled.

You have no clue as to my view of the situation, and it seems you have no desire to find a decent solution to this problem.

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Yeah, lets just allow a one sided debate, and that will result in a solution.

Wow, you seem to be aiming at restricting what facts are allowed to be discussed, so you are working against a solution, not for a solution.