Scores killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether

Wow I was around around that time too... Not relevant??? Sure the CIA, Saddam, BinLaden and Bush Sr are relevant.... like you say they are holding your strings RF. Those strings lead to the CIAs involvement, and the proof of what to believe. People will NOT just disregard valid info when it comes to making informed choices. That could lead to racism and bigotry RF. We wouldn't want to incite hatred for no reason would we? I don't hate the US for what they did to China... and why hasn't the media picked up the story of the US causing earthquakes?

BinLaden is dead and was a CIA protected asset.. wake up

Are you just twisting what I said? I said what I believe is irrelevant. Never said that Bush, CIA, Saddam, and Bush Sr. involvement was irrelevant.

If the info was valid, then why do so many question it? If there was not doubt, then no one would be saying anything..ya?

Does it matter now if B.Laden is dead or not? And perhaps you should wake up...B.Laden was allowed to run free, to keep the false pretense war machine churning away, followed by false claims of Saddam involvement with 9/11, followed by false claim of WMD, all of which have been proven that the whole thing was a setup. I am awake...are you?

I made a typo in my other post regarding the minister of Israel with video saying there are no civilian casualties in Gaza. It is the foriegn minister not defense minister.

Link to thread is HERE.

More trustworthy media and puppet masters who do not tell lies....ya sure.




Cheers!!!!

reply to post by masonwatcher
I use the Islamic presence in the UK to compare with your views on Israel. I've seen you moan about Jews from Europe not belong there. Same could be said from your logic about Pakistanis in UK. Both communities travelled continental migrations 60 years ago. I think let them both live, they are settled now, but by your logic, what's good for the goose is good for the gander? The two communities are basically the same.

reply to post by ufoorbhunter

The Arabs can take us out? Lol! You sound like Mohammed Al Sahaf (ex Iraqi Minister of Information/kak). You really ought to look at the US/UK CSGs near the Persian Gulf right now, combined with British, US and Israeli Dolphin Class nuclear submarines waitng for the codes. The Arabs (don't forget the Persians) wouldn't last two minutes.....................................

There are only seven million of you! Let’s just say I hope the bankers are standing by late to transfer some funds if you think the British and Americans are going to subject the area to massive radioactive fallout like you imagine they will.

For…lets see, 500 Trillion I will go along with it, Rothschild goes to jail though and doesn’t get to pass go.

Reuters and the Associated Press are placed on the auction block, and we place you all on an uninhabited South Pacific Island.

Personally I think it’s the lack of shade in the dessert that gets to you guys. The tropics will shade you better from the sun. Didn’t you hear only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noon day sun?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Seven million? Kak............ 48 million Englishmen within a country of 60 million Brits! Seven million? Jeez when do you get this stat from? I mean that was like the 1740's!

reply to post by dooper

Yep. Looks like it's still going according to plan.

Yep...you know what they say about the best laid plans of mice and men!

Or as Mick likes to sing, you can't always get what you want...but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need!

reply to post by ufoorbhunter

Yep. Looks like it's still going according to plan.

Seven million Israelis. What does the population of the United Kingdom have to do with it?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You are confusing yourself. What day is it?

reply to post by ufoorbhunter

You are confusing yourself. What day is it?

I starred you on that one!

According to my calander it is Wednesday April 12th 1933? I am looking forward to hump night so please do not disturb the illusion.

This is a good example of what I mean....

Originally posted by RFBurns
reply to post by AllTiedTogether

 

I should also point out, unless I am the only one responding in this thread..I suggest you list everyone that has said the same things here and not just single out me becasue I happen to have a very loud voice in opposition to this genocidal assault called "right to defend ourselves".

But I dont mind being the lead guy noting obvious faults with all of this. I am honored.

"this genocidal assault" you say. Where is the proof....

Where is the proof of any terrorist act? Any.... terrorist act! Probably can't find one too recently that hasn't been disproven to be sponsored by the state. So, knowing this, would you make a judgement on genocide and any other subject that may change your perception of a group of people?

If you said yes then you are among the millions who have been affected by the media's NLP brainwashing and you should, quickly, re-evaluate your values and beliefs. Change will occur once the individual acknowledges that something is wrong. Stop watching TV.

You are making statements against a group of people based on what our media has portrayed as fact and what our historians have falsely labeled as history. We should not base our history on fables. Like the fable about Hitler doing this alone... he was aided by the Vatican, Jesuits..... Hitler was a devout Christian working for the church....

These threads that have headlines about one group killing another through acts of terrorism only seem to help create myths. Not all posts are doing this... the sensible ones are only saying that you shouldn't be judging their "genocidal assault" as such when you have no proof. That's what most sensible people ask. Don't sway a person's opinion about a group of people based on nothing.

Rgds

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether

"this genocidal assault" you say. Where is the proof....

Where is the proof of any terrorist act? Any.... terrorist act! Probably can't find one too recently that hasn't been disproven to be sponsored by the state. So, knowing this, would you make a judgement on genocide and any other subject that may change your perception of a group of people?


Rgds

Just for your info, I DONT watch tv. So put away your NLP mind control nonsense and perhaps YOU shouldnt watch TV because you obviously cannot see with your own eyes even on videos put on the net, how this "defending ourselves" attack is killing more innocents than counted on the other side.

The proof is right there in front of you when tanks, ground forces prepare to invade, hi tech warplanes (US made fighters) drop missiles and bombs, target escape routes and prevent food and medical supplies from even getting near the people, and now their foriegn minister goes on worldwide tv saying they did not kill any civilians when plasterd all over the net and on your tv, pictures and video of dead civilians!! Oh I forgot, the NLP you spout might be keeping you from actually seeing reality.

Maybe you should wipe the sleep from your eyes and splash some ice cold water on your face so you can see more clearly to whats happening.



Cheers!!!!

reply to post by RFBurns


The thing is, RF - if the other side has planes, bombs, rockets, tanks, MLRS launchers, and every cutting edge weapon of war, YOU DON'T ATTACK AND PISS THEM OFF!

Yes. It is a response, though not as violent as it should be. Maybe after Gazans lose some buildings, a few Hamas, and the entire region is once again reminded the benefits of leaving Israel alone, then things will improve. For a few months.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by RFBurns

 

The thing is, RF - if the other side has planes, bombs, rockets, tanks, MLRS launchers, and every cutting edge weapon of war, YOU DON'T ATTACK AND PISS THEM OFF!

Yes. It is a response, though not as violent as it should be. Maybe after Gazans lose some buildings, a few Hamas, and the entire region is once again reminded the benefits of leaving Israel alone, then things will improve. For a few months.

I wonder if Israel would be so brazen if they knew the US wasnt going to get their back if the arabs got fed up and just decided to Bum rush Israel. The fact is they wouldnt be as brazen. They would do whatever it takes to get along in the neighborhood. Its like in highschool going and picking fights with everyone in your neighborhood because you know you have your big brother. If big brother wasnt there you wouldnt take so much trash.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by RFBurns

 

The thing is, RF - if the other side has planes, bombs, rockets, tanks, MLRS launchers, and every cutting edge weapon of war, YOU DON'T ATTACK AND PISS THEM OFF!

Yes. It is a response, though not as violent as it should be. Maybe after Gazans lose some buildings, a few Hamas, and the entire region is once again reminded the benefits of leaving Israel alone, then things will improve. For a few months.

I agree and as I have been saying since day one of all this, Hamas is guilty for their actions against Israel and Israel has the right to attack back. I just dont think it needs to be going as far as it is with tanks, ground invasion forces and taking out escape routes so that the civilians can get out of the way. Gaza is a very cramped area not any larger than some ranch lands here in the US. There should be some discretion in Israel's targeting because of the fact that it is so cramped in Gaza with 1.3 million people packed in like sardines.

Hamas knows that and I dont give any kudos or credit to Hamas at all. They are at fault for their actions. But are the civilians at fault too for ending up being stuck on the wrong side crammed in and not allowed to leave before all of this began?



Cheers!!!!

Now Egypt is opening fire on Gazans as they try to cross the border. Where's the outrage? where's the accusations of genocide?

Isn't a double standard if Egypt isn't also wrong? Wrong for firing on them, wrong for denying them food, water, fuel and medicine?

Israel does it and it's genocide, Egypt does it and it's a non-issue.

Just doesn't sound right to me

reply to post by mybigunit

Actually, the Arabs have tried to bum rush Israel numerous times, and each time, they got their collective asses kicked.

And not just a little bit. They were humiliated.

In fact, I would suggest that this will indeed happen again, maybe not right now, and I would further suggest that the results will be exactly the same.

You don't footrace the Flash, you don't swordfight with Zorro, you don't bike race with Lance Armstrong, and you don't attack Israel.

How many times do we have to go through this?

Originally posted by redhatty
Now Egypt is opening fire on Gazans as they try to cross the border. Where's the outrage? where's the accusations of genocide?

Isn't a double standard if Egypt isn't also wrong? Wrong for firing on them, wrong for denying them food, water, fuel and medicine?

Israel does it and it's genocide, Egypt does it and it's a non-issue.

Just doesn't sound right to me

Of course its. We cant say its genocide until we see it happen. Note the begining of your post..."Now". Well now that this other event is occuring, we can say that Egypt is playing the same game as Israel and now the innocent Palestinian civlilians are facing death from the front and back.

Nice..isnt it. To be shoved up into a corner, then shoved back and forth again and again. Those innocent civilians should be allowed to leave the area, escorted to the west bank or elsewhere, and not used at bonna fodder practice targets by either Egypt or Israel.



Cheers!!!!

reply to post by RFBurns

RF, I completely agree. The civilians that want to leave should be escorted to other areas.

Then let the fighting begin.

And get it over with, for God's sake!

reply to post by dooper

America hasn’t so badly refused to live up to its treaties. No one is firing rockets at us.

Alright, then lets give the Arabs the non-declared U.S. Special Forces combatants this time and the U.S. Weapons and munitions.

Will that make it more exciting for you?

Or would you prefer we U.S. Tax Payers continue to provide you this help?

You will make a lot of us very happy if we can cut all aide and wash our hands of the Israeli Super Zeros!

Originally posted by masonwatcher

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

Please do tell us, I am sure it is a who's who's of Democratic Ideals. Enlighten me.





What a shocker there.

There you go, all those countries don't even recognise Israel.

Ummm, it's only Muslim countries, North Korea and Cuba for the most part. I rest my case. Did you even look at the map?

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by mybigunit

 

Actually, the Arabs have tried to bum rush Israel numerous times, and each time, they got their collective asses kicked.

And not just a little bit. They were humiliated.

In fact, I would suggest that this will indeed happen again, maybe not right now, and I would further suggest that the results will be exactly the same.

You don't footrace the Flash, you don't swordfight with Zorro, you don't bike race with Lance Armstrong, and you don't attack Israel.

How many times do we have to go through this?

Sorry I was away so I counldnt respond right away. Yes Im very well aware of the 6 day war and the Yam Kippur war and Im very much so aware who won. Remember how I told you last night the Israelis through war have earned their land but that doesnt mean these guys dont hold grudges?

The difference now is Iran. Iran is not the same weak country that Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and the Saudis were. Lets face it they might as well have been on camels. Israel is provoking Iran and I think it will lead to war. Israel wants to bomb their facilities but doesnt want to look like the aggressor so they are trying to lure them to attack first. On top of that I still dont think these guys like Israel on their land. Thats where the US comes in. If the US said we are no longer going to fight your wars we will sell you weapons, we will help you logistically but we will not donate money or lives for your cause I promise you they wouldnt be stirring up the hornets nest.

At the end of the day my personal opinion is I hope Iran and Israel go at it. One on One and just get it over with. If Israel uses their nukes then they need to be nuked. One on one a good old fashion conventional war and settle this once and for all. What say you?