Scores killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

Originally posted by IAF101
How do you know this ? What PROOF do you have ?? Even Israelis dont know when and where the Kidon and Mossad operate and you seem to say with certainty that Kidon units were sent in ???? More over if Kidon units were sent why did we see any reports of any big Hamas leaders killed ???

The answer to all this is simple. There were no Mossad agents in Gaza because there was a truce-which Israel honored.

Um, reread that. The are mutually exclusive. If "Even Israelis don't know...." how can you state, "There were no Mossad agents in Gaza..."?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by John Matrix

 

Everyone puts faith in something or someone whether it be God, Man, himself, or nature.

Sadly the day's events leave me with only one thing to put faith in...

Man's inhumanity towards man.

Wonderful religion that teaches those principal. It sure is something to watch from a neutral position as each side twists the religious aspect to suit their agendas and justifications.

No guessing required as to just why our much wiser founding fore fathers saw some virtue to be had in seperating church and state.

Had only the church left it that way, you might be enjoying Jews and Muslims living happily and productively side by side in the Middle East today.

The only faith I am seeing evidenced is to kill any life form who doesn't agree with what the other puts his faith in.

Certainly gives new meaning to catch phrases like the meek shall inherit the Earth, turn the other cheek, blessed are the peace makers.

Tell me do any of your faiths actually adhere to your scriptures or is the faith simply that the diety will forgive all, no matter what?

Gee...I know Lot's of people that believe in God that don't kill anyone.
By the way, not all people that believe in God are religious or belong to a religion. You seem to lump everyone that believes in God as being religious and a murderer of those that don't believe the same things, and that is simply nonsense.

Do you really want to know what I believe, or do you even care? I don't know why you ask.

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Another star sir you are on a roll tonight although we dont agree on much I personally dont know if they were there or not but that is not the point to me. They cut off food and aid for weeks during a truce and when the truce ended Hamas retaliated. Plain and simple as that.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by ufoorbhunter

 

You fire 80+ missiles to kill my family and me, I will surely retaliate and try to kill you and your family. If you miss, too bad for you. It I hit, good for me, as I will try to kill you and your entire family 24/7 until there is no one left to harm my family or me.

I doubt Israel will go that far but considering their current strategy has not worked in all the years they have been trying it killing them all might have better success. Of course it would up the stakes considerably. The other risky strategy they haven't tried much is to turn the other cheek and try to take out terrorists and only terrorists with ground operatives and cause less collateral damage then air attacks.

Both are more risky then the current strategy but considering how long the conflict has been going on a new approach might be called for. I have been watching this conflict for years and the story of what happened recently has not changed much in all those years e.g. Palestine fires rockets, Israel relatiates with airstikes - repeat, repeat, repeat... and no end is in sight really.

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Originally posted by masonwatcher

So the dude puts a military scorpion insignia with the Israeli flag for the hell of it?



You have IAF (Israeli Air Force?) on your avatar. Pray tell if it is an airforce insignia?

Believe it or not, some people have tattoos because they think they are cool or they want to show their support or for spiritual reasons. It doesnt make them part of that group in any way, shape or form!

Here is a "Tibetan" for you:


Apparently, having a tattoo makes you part of that group!!! I wonder why people have passports~! I'm sure a tattoo would do...

Originally posted by Xwino

Originally posted by GamerGal

[. Anyways, go Israel, wipe out Hamas and all the terrorist lovers with them.

I'll probably get busted, however you really need to hear this. Your statement is abhorrent, vile ,obnoxious and a true reflection of your childish ignorance. There are no words to express my contempt for the subhuman mentality required for such overt disregard for life. You should feel shame.

I for one do not wish to be murdered for voicing my opinions. But I have heard of such murderous threats from zionists.

Zionist abhor debate hence the wave of anti free speech laws in Europe. The ADL is working very hard to introduce an exclusive Anti Hate Laws to its specifications in US. Until that is achieved threats of murders are employed.

www.newstatesman.com...

The link is to a US based zionist group, Aish HaTorah, that use violence and threats to silence critics of Israel.

They are the same group that produced 28 million DVDs for distribution in newspapers in the Mid West describing Muslims as a threat and terrorists.

www.tampabay.com...

lukeford.net...

edition.cnn.com...

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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by IAF101
How do you know this ? What PROOF do you have ?? Even Israelis dont know when and where the Kidon and Mossad operate and you seem to say with certainty that Kidon units were sent in ???? More over if Kidon units were sent why did we see any reports of any big Hamas leaders killed ???

The answer to all this is simple. There were no Mossad agents in Gaza because there was a truce-which Israel honored.

Um, reread that. The are mutually exclusive. If "Even Israelis don't know...." how can you state, "There were no Mossad agents in Gaza..."?

First, what makes you thing that if Israelis dont know neither do I ??

I never said I was Israeli did I ???

Second, to claim of something happened the onus of proof is on you to prove so. Otherwise, it is merely speculation and not FACT. I dont need to provide proof to the contrary to deny speculation.

reply to post by IAF101


A Kabbala tattoo is one thing, a military tattoo is a wholly separate matter. I really don't know why a US soldier would have an Israeli military tattoo instead of one of his unit's. Very odd and convoluted explanation.


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The radical muslim extremists are a threat and they are terrorists. Under their law they put people to death for sexual infidelity, adultery. Which means most of the US population would be put to death under their laws. Why do you not understand this?

[edit on 27-12-2008 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by redhatty

And the court case that backs it up should be ignored too, huh?

Over 1 video? Back in 2000? And this is to be the blanket judgement for all of the other thousands of videos filmed by thousands of other photographers too?

Ok sure...ya...right...if you say so..however 1 video, out of the thousands of others since...is hardly any credible proof or definative conclusion that all videos and pictures are faked.

1 out of thousands....now if there were thousands of court cases, thousands of witnesses testifying..then perhaps there would be reason to suspect faked news videos.

But there isnt is there. Just this 1 case, 1 video, from 2000, 1 judgement that had to go through 4 appeals before being ruled in their favor.





Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by IAF101
Believe it or not, some people have tattoos because they think they are cool or they want to show their support or for spiritual reasons. It doesnt make them part of that group in any way, shape or form!

"Show of support"? Seems that would make them part of the group imo. Especially if they are committing indecencies towards a certain group. OR who said that he wasn't an Israeli? You 100% positive on this?

Just to head off another argument:

And there are some that don't have tattoos for religious reasons:

www.islamictimes.co.uk...

Guess who that would be? Wait for it................... MUSLIMS.

reply to post by John Matrix

Gee...I know Lot's of people that believe in God that don't kill anyone. By the way, not all people that believe in God are religious or belong to a religion. You seem to lump everyone that believes in God as being religious and a murderer of those that don't believe the same things, and that is simply nonsense.

Actually what I believe it the Balfour Declaration came about through highly circumspect means in no small parts since London did not even control Palestine at the time but the Ottoman Turk’s did, and the specific recipient of who the Balfour Declaration was personally addressed too.

What I further believe is that the subsequent British Mandate of Palestine then made possible by London conquering the territory in subsequent military actions seemingly undertaken only to honor the Balfour Declaration were highly circumspect too.

What I believe is that the spirit of the British Mandate of Palestine was deliberately dishonored by both Zionist factions and a decidedly weak British administration that first passed laws favorable to Zionists purchasing more than half of the land promised to them specifically within the Mandate and then withdrew in cowardice in the face of Zionist terrorism attacks to leave the Palestinians completely disenfranchised of ancestral lands inhabited both more recently and in far greater length than any reasonable Jewish claim to the land.

At the end of the day the only remotely justifiable fall back position for the Zionists is a religious one, and all I am simply trying to do is to show the shadowy and inaccurate rendering of the religious element, many attempt to use to justify the deliberate and concerted effort to gain control of all of Palestine by the Zionists.

The British Mandate was simple, half the land to the Jews, and half the land to the Palestinians. If the Zionists were unhappy with only half even from the onset, which obviously their terrorist campaign against the British Mandate clearly demonstrates that they were, why on earth, is it then therefore reasonable to insist the Palestinians should have been happy and accepted less than half the land, and so much less than half the land it was barely a discernable fraction of the land.

Israel is clearly the aggressor in this case, and in the wrong since it was they who chose not to honor the British Mandate that enabled their immigration into Palestine to begin with.

My point is no warped circular and self serving logic, be it based on accusations of terrorism, or religion, or supposed unreasonable demands on part of the Palestinians justifies Israel having taken more than the land that was promised to them, and taking the land that was promised to the Palestinians.

It’s a matter of honoring treaties and not religious texts and when the circular logic that comprises the propaganda for not ever having meant to honor the treaty, and never having honored the treaty falls way to learned and reasoned debate, then the circular logic falls on the religious aspect, which I contend is as circumspect as the events from the Balfour agreement on towards today and resent that American Tax Payer Dollars contribute too.

America was founded on separation of Church and State, take the religious context away and all you are left with is a broken treaty by the Zionist factions, who refuse to this day to honor it.

Originally posted by RFBurns

Originally posted by redhatty

And the court case that backs it up should be ignored too, huh?

Over 1 video? Back in 2000? And this is to be the blanket judgement for all of the other thousands of videos filmed by thousands of other photographers too?

Ok sure...ya...right...if you say so..however 1 video, out of the thousands of others since...is hardly any credible proof or definative conclusion that all videos and pictures are faked.

1 out of thousands....now if there were thousands of court cases, thousands of witnesses testifying..then perhaps there would be reason to suspect faked news videos.

But there isnt is there. Just this 1 case, 1 video, from 2000, 1 judgement that had to go through 4 appeals before being ruled in their favor.

Cheers!!!!

Sorry....it's way more than one. I researched this and posted several Pallywood videos...all fake!

Originally posted by John Matrix
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

The radical muslim extremists are a threat and they are terrorists. Under their law they put people to death for sexual infidelity, adultery. Which means most of the US population would be put to death under their laws. Why do you not understand this?

[edit on 27-12-2008 by John Matrix]

The difference is we are invading and occupying their countries telling them how to live. If they want to live under that law that is their choice. They can leave if they want. The people who dont like that life immigrate here dont they? When is the last time you saw Iran invade us and tell us how to live? Iraq? Syria?

Originally posted by IAF101
First, what makes you thing that if Israelis dont know neither do I ??

So you DO know? Are you Mossad?

I never said I was Israeli did I ???

I didn't say you were. Just applying logic. I'd assume that an Israeli would have more info than someone who was not. Unless, hmm. Not Mossad, NSA maybe?

Second, to claim of something happened the onus of proof is on you to prove so. Otherwise, it is merely speculation and not FACT. I dont need to provide proof to the contrary to deny speculation.

In other words you've got nothing and this is the response.

reply to post by intrepid

Man up for the IDF then and help them out if you feel so strongly about this.

I am a western liberal. I was against the Iraqi invasion, but I'm beginning to change my mind. While I think GW and companies intentions were completely dishonorable, and I think the actions of the IC's around the globe are a disgrace to the U.S. and the people of the U.S., it seems to me that U.S. soldiers in Iraq might have succeeded against all odds, and in spite of the GW admin..

What I also see is that the Muslim extremists seem to be the allies of GW and company. I see the actions of Muslim exremists around the globe, and I am not happy. I have been patient, but my patience is running out. For every guy like me here expressing their opinion, there are a great many others who will not express their opinions vocally.

Should the time come, I think you will live to regret your gambit greatly. It seems that fate is bringing this situation to a where none desire to go.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by IAF101
Bull- crap!

Can we be civil here?

THAT was "civil"!

Originally posted by intrepid

Where the hell does it say any of the men were Israeli ?? Israeli forces arent even deployed in Iraq! The claim that they are "Israeli" is merely a product of your conjecture and speculation.
A guy with a tattoo of an Israeli flag DOES NOT make him an Israeli!

You think a Muslim would sport that, or any other tattoo? Hell, a few pages back we were looking at YT videos that may or may not be accurate. I guess we can be selective in sources when they don't support our beliefs.

Why not ?? Do you think there are no Muslim Israeli citizens ?? There are PLENTY! What people choose to do with their own bodies is their own personal choices and I doubt YOU or anybody else can divine what the significance of each tattoo means simply by looking at it. Plus, many Americans have the Star of David or the Israeli flag as tattoos without ever setting foot in Israel because they are showing solidarity with Israel. This is common knowledge.

It is obvious to any reasonable and unbiased individual that the source is as important as the Facts it provides. Otherwise, people with ulterior motives would have us believe all the garbage they serve on Rense and the conspiracy theories on this site to be fact.

Sorry to say this but some of us arent so gullible.

Originally posted by intrepid

Typical response from Palestinians sympathizers to try to paint Israelis as the ones in the wrong by displaying a patter of abuse from them!

Dude, Israel doesn't need any help in "displaying a pattern of abuse". They do it quite well on their own.

Apparently, so do the "patron saints" of HYPOCRISY, who come scurrying out to slander, debase and villify Israel and Jews at ever turn all the while justifying terrorism and terrorist actions.

Israel's "pattern of abuse" as you refer to it is more justifiable than the "pattern of hypocrisy" preached here by the proponents of Palestine.

Originally posted by mybigunit

Originally posted by John Matrix
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

The radical muslim extremists are a threat and they are terrorists. Under their law they put people to death for sexual infidelity, adultery. Which means most of the US population would be put to death under their laws. Why do you not understand this?

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When is the last time you saw Iran invade us and tell us how to live? Iraq? Syria?

When was the last time we fired rockets into their civilian population?
I rest my case.

reply to post by mybigunit


How many refugees are we supposed to accept from the far too large portion of the world ran by strong arm men, who serve the wrong people.

Most of the world is being told what to do by a small group of people who hold far too much of the world hostage. It isn't the free people of the world dictating things to the poor people in the third world, it is the third world dictators who supress these people, aided by the IC's who would like to do the same to us.

Turn on your brain.

Originally posted by mybigunit

Originally posted by John Matrix
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

The radical muslim extremists are a threat and they are terrorists. Under their law they put people to death for sexual infidelity, adultery. Which means most of the US population would be put to death under their laws. Why do you not understand this?

[edit on 27-12-2008 by John Matrix]

The difference is we are invading and occupying their countries telling them how to live. If they want to live under that law that is their choice. They can leave if they want. The people who dont like that life immigrate here dont they? When is the last time you saw Iran invade us and tell us how to live? Iraq? Syria?

Good point but if they did have the capability to invade America I would not put it past them. However I agree with the general idea that different cultures should be able to have different beliefs and laws to us (in their own countries) regardless of how strange those laws might seem to people who grew up in our culture and with our laws.

The NWO wants a huge monoculture with a one world government/laws and if the NWO wants it then I'm against it. Anyway who is to say one civilization is superior to another? To us their way of life seems backwards and strange but I'm sure aspects of our culture are just as strange and in some cases disgusting to them.