Us Marine Drill Sergeant Boasts Of What They Will Do To Civilians Under Martial Law In The Usa/monta

reply to post by detachedindividual


I hate it but I agree. I was speaking with an x-marine I work with a few weeks ago and he and I get into some heated debates sometimes.. but basically I was asking him about military vs citizen and all he could really tell me was that he himself wouldn't do it, but he's sure there would be some who would. So the way he put it to me was that really it just depends on the person if he would carry it out or not. And he never once said that they would never give orders such as that. In fact he answered me like he'd already talked about the subject before, just a very quick answer. I didn't think much about it because personally I hope I would never live to see a day like that.

But then again I do sometimes wonder where people get movie ideas like the max payne movie.. with the army and the drug and the strong and mean.. ya know? Ya never know!

I've met and worked with enough military and ex-military to recognize a few very basic things:

1. Being in the military, whether you served a few years or made a career out of it, doesn't make you a mindless machine.

2. While there have certainly been examples of American soldiers doing things that are abhorrent, not to mention cases where that behavior may have been condoned or ordered, this does not mean that our entire military is filled with men and women who ignore their conscience and just do what they are told.

3. Our military is made up of people who love this country, their fellow Americans, and our Constitution. Okay, maybe a few don't care much, but I haven't met any of those folks.

I cannot see how our own military would truly carry out orders that include things like killing women and children. Might there be martial law? Sure, I guess I can see that as a possibility. Might our military be used to police us? Sure, I can see that happening too...but only for a short period of time. Our military is "us" and we as a people don't believe in or support this kind of treatment.

To me, if there really is an elite cabal that is going to take over, they've made one very critical error. They allowed this nation to be founded with a set of ideals that outline a commitment to freedom and liberty. These ideals have been instilled in all of us and are the foundation of our national character. Most of us believe in them and live our lives as a testament to them. We will not just give them up - we can't. We've certainly been placated and drugged and persuaded to let things get a bit loose (or tight depending on your perspective). But, soldiers in our streets telling us what to do? The military policing our neighborhoods, controlling our actions, limiting our freedom? No way. It won't last. It won't even happen in the first place. The people, whether they be soldiers themselves or not, will simply not allow it.

You may think I'm naive, but I absolutely believe this to be true.

reply to post by unity1



Dude I am a tired of people thinking US TROOPS (todays troops) would blindly kill AMERICANS because the president issue martial law, As an ex soldier )who just got out recently) I still maintain contact with my friends who I have served with. I know for a FACT that they would rather DIE then turn there weapons on fellow Americans. NO US TROOP WILL EVER KILL a citizien they have sworn to protect.

Marines going after the public???


I'm going after neocons and LIMBO repugs. Martial Law comes move from the western states GOP members, cause this libral is going chainsaw ninja on all of you.

reply to post by unity1


Marines are taught to do the right thing. They are taught to have moral courage. They are taught to obey God, country, and corp., IN THAT ORDER. They maintain high standards of integrity and are willing to die for their country. I know, because I am one. Don't try and make the very people we are here to protect fear us. No Marines are going to kill any civillians on command. These are the same Marines who have been serving this country since Nov. 10th 1775 with honor and pride. Why would we disgrace ourselves now.

let me remind you....
www.youtube.com...

i believe katrina was a proving ground for what they can expect from the citizens and the military...
from what i understand the national guard now have the same standards as the military...
They probably assume that taking the guns is better than shooting people and find that acceptable..
probably still believing it's in the interest of the citizen...
I think the citizen would disagree...
understand that the majority of servicemen are completely uninformed...
they don't know or will not believe that they may be setting up their fellow americans....
many have no idea what has gone on in america over the last several years..

Originally posted by Damien_uk
This is fear mongering. Can you imagine giving the order to your men to fire on women and children. I bet the man who gave that order would be beaten badly.

Dont forget the army is there to protect you, If Obama gave the order to kill citizens the army would turn against him.

The people in the army that I know, if given this order would just take there kit and go home to protect there families. Put yourself in that situation. You are a marine, you have 2 children at home. 200 miles away. The area you are in, and the area they are in is out of control. You have been told to 'show no mercy'. Would you stay and kill people for being scared or revolt/desert and go home. I KNOW what I would do!

Just like they didn't shoot innocent woman and children in Vietnam? You really think it will make a difference if they are on U.S. soil? Someone who can kill Iraqi men, women, and children can and will kill American. Just like the police, the military do what they are told, and the citizens will most likely not resist, or rather will not be able to resist. I love the bubbly world some people are living in.

They would kill because their government is telling them to, just like the cops who gas people at demonstrations now, or use rubber bullets on them, or hit them with battons, or round them up face down to the ground and ruff them up, sending some to the hospital. They do what they are told, and they have not been away for months learning how to kill. They are Americans on American soil, and they do what they are told. Then they go home and know that their families are safe, because they just followed ordered and put down a bunch of protestors. That is what is happnening with the police on American soil. Police who are not trained killers.

reply to post by unity1


this is total bunk. I'm an x-jar head and this will never happen. never! .stop posting this nonsense.

Soldiers have families, they wont willingly fire on those they took and oath to protect.

but I can almost promise if their families are used to coerce them then they will shoot each and every one of us without a second though.

Like I said they won't just blindly take that order, but I can guarantee if this government plans to institute Martial Law and start banging on doors and enforcing the police state, then they already know exactly how to deal with those who will be enforcing it.

These people aren't stupid. They spend trillions of dollars a year engineering this stuff, Do you people honestly think they are going to leave this whole "will they follow orders'" dilemma to chance?

It's the most crucial aspect of their plan if indeed that is the plan...

Mine is one of many SIMPLE scenarios, but you can bet your life that if the puppet masters want martial law, and want us civilians to be dealt with, then the question of "will they follow orders' isn't even going to be an issue....

[edit on 22-12-2008 by C0le]

Soldier: "Walking up and down these streets, you don't want to think about the stuff that you're going to have to do, if somebody pops around the corner..."
Reporter: "You mean shoot an American?"
Soldier: "Yea"


Of course they wouldn't even "want to think about" shooting and killing a child that jumps around a corner, with a squirt gun, aimed at them, yelling "bam!", but when it happens, they'll "have to." They can blame it on a flashbacks, or just being honed to the pefection it takes in a war zone, to kill a sneaky iraqi (and anyone sneaky enough to startle a marine), but when the day's over, they killed an innocent child.

Originally posted by Harassment101
Just like they didn't shoot innocent woman and children in Vietnam? You really think it will make a difference if they are on U.S. soil?

Yes, because other factors such as racism, stress of combat, disease and drug use, might affect a person's thinking.

Frankly I feel sorry for someone who cannot see that.

Someone who can kill Iraqi men, women, and children can and will kill American.

If you are saying that combat troops could come home and kill Americans, I'de have to disagree, and here is where I would place my argument:

The answer to this question relies upon combat Vietnam veterans, who will be able to speak toward coming home to the US, and not getting a great reception. Like in the Rambo series of movies, we see that John Rambo feels latent anger at Americans who did not welcome him warmly. As he says, they called him "babykiller, and other vile crap". Well, yes, any student of psychology will say that such environments as Vietnam combat, do cause the subject to wish-and-hope that a warm welcome is awaiting them, at home. But then, are airports really home? Of course not, so Rambo's feelings were compounded by other percieved slights to his dead comrades (less so to himself, but to the memories of war)

One must imagine that today's Vietnam comabt vet still feels left out, even as their numbers diminish. They feel a deepening of their experiences and a wisdom now as history unfolds. They face new truths, not only in regards to the value of their service in the face of dawning drug allegations against their command structure, but also to the value of their buddies, who died in combat or maybe who got locked up, maybe even for needing heroin of all things? History reveals a lot of truth. But Rambo is right: When you are with your friend, in combat, talking about home, and your friend is suddenly blown to smithereens in front of you, you long for home in a way that cannot be expressed, and when you get home and people aren't nice to you, and they ain't got no patriotism or sense of unity, then yeah, you can feel anger.

So if the Marine who comes home from combat on the other side of the globe, stands next to the Army Ranger, and the SEAL and the Air Corps also. The only question will be for them this: How will you be remembered? Because the purpose of warfare, is to be killed honorably, but more correctly, to kill as many of them, as you can. But even John Rambo, Army Ranger, did not kill civvies, in his quest for vengeance against local town bullies. All branches of the services, know this.

So if the person fighting your war for you, does not feel welcome when they get home, and they do not feel that their family structure, is intact (for whatever reason families may not be intact anymore), then yes, they can become warped, misguided, and misused tool of vengeance, and destruction.

Perhaps John Rambo has regrets, but we must embrace him, for being a patriot, and a man not afraid to walk along America's highways. And even when pushed to the edge, he will not kill innocents.

wiki/Rambo

Just like the police, the military do what they are told

No, the police have power which is provincial and disproportionate. Besides, you really don't know WHO is behind a mask, now do you? So really you have to just realize that there is brutality in all cultures and in all classes. So yes, there are thugs. But generally the American value (which is the value Marines are held to) is that "all are endowed with liberty" and also to life, under their common Creator. So in this context. you can see how the local cop and his paycheck, cannot be compared to the Marine. Still, thugs can blend into any group, if it gives them the power they seek.

But in a group setting, thugs do not reign. Generally a group will be dominated reason. Mass sit-ins and such protests are all too often staged anyway, so why go out and get your nose broken? Just leave the city, rather than trying to fight for central park. Those people who asked to be dragged off the streets, are not starving yet...But when they are hungry, and there are food riots, then yes, people's loyalties will be tested.

But we have all seen "The Running Man". And also there we saw that Arnold would not fire on helpless people, rioting for food (though he was "just" a cop).

wiki/The_Running_Man_(film)

In 2017, the economy has collapsed and society has become a police state, censoring all cultural activity. The government pacifies the populace by broadcasting a number of game shows in which convicted criminals fight for their lives. The most popular and sadistic of these shows is The Running Man, hosted by the ruthless Damon Killian.

Ben Richards (Schwarzenegger) is a pilot of a police helicopter gunship. He is ordered to fire upon unarmed civilians during a food riot in Bakersfield, California, but refuses to do so. His fellow police officers overpower him and kill the civilians. Richards is turned into a scapegoat by state propaganda for the massacre and is imprisoned. Altered footage of the event appears on national television.

Now, Arnold was surely elected due to this meme, which his own Hollywood iconism has conjured, so then we shall see, how the real Ben Richards, reacts to being tested, if there are food riots in Bakersfield. My point is that even if someone is not a Marine, but is empowered with deadly force (i.e. Blackwater, Highway Patrol, DEA, anybody empowered to kill) can aspire to such heroism as Arnold showed while acting in this movie, right? Anyway, the veldenschuaange for that moment won't come until 2017.

wiki/Worldview#Worldview_and_folk-epics

reply to post by Harassment101


I cannot believe that you actually believe such garbage. You don't know how lucky you are to have have the world's finest fighting force on your side. You need to get your head out of your @## and show a little appreciation for the men and women in the Marine Corp. who would do anything to protect you and your family, not ham you. We are not going to harm any Americans ever, you fool. Stop spreading your ignorance and show some thanks. Without us, you'd be in trouble.

It's not only that people believe it but think Billings Montana is the center of ???? It's sadly humorus that people would believe such garbage.

mikell

All the talk about who will resist the plans for Martial Law is moot, the fact remains that Americans are no different to other people in this world and no real resistance will come from within.

How do I know this you might ask ? well I saw what ( or more to the point not what ) happened when Ed Brown made all the statements about his arrest bringing civil unrest to the USA.....nothing happened....nada.

When it comes to the base instinct to survive the Americans will do exactly what other civilians have done for 10 thousand years...yield to breathe another day and all this Patriotic talk of armed resistance is the same kind of talk you hear in school play grounds around the world...only talk.

pure propaganda .good lord I can't believe some of these comments .
All soldiers are poor blah blah they join to eat .. Stereotype much

When Canada comes to help you guys, we are helping. First on the ground for Katrina, with horses and all kind of deal.

You REALLY need to do some research on the Canadian personality and the Canadian role in wars before you become worried that the Canadian military is going to help subdue American civilians.

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
reply to post by kozmo

 

I have two sons; one a Police Chief and one is an Army Sgt. working in the European Command (J2 section) in Stuttgart.
I have discussed all this with both of them and they both agree they don't know a soldier or a police officer that would fire upon or harm an American citizen in such a scenario.
[edit to add]:
Maybe that's what blackwater and the agreement made a few months back with Canada (I think) saying we can come to each others countries to 'help out' is for?

[edit on 22-12-2008 by AmericanDaughter]

reply to post by mardomant



I agree my friend. I am Canadian, not military, but this sounds like propaganda from the ultra-right Christian movement. Total bunk.

What concerns me are private armies Blackwater etc. and the foreigners the military has been recruiting for green cards.

I do hope and pray that if the time came our soldiers would protect the public from these rogue soldiers. Things could get bumpy in the next couple of years!

My appeal to the military is to serve the constitution and not personalities. Serve the law not demagogues!

Originally posted by Aeons
When Canada comes to help you guys, we are helping. First on the ground for Katrina, with horses and all kind of deal.

You REALLY need to do some research on the Canadian personality and the Canadian role in wars before you become worried that the Canadian military is going to help subdue American civilians.

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
reply to post by kozmo

 

I have two sons; one a Police Chief and one is an Army Sgt. working in the European Command (J2 section) in Stuttgart.
I have discussed all this with both of them and they both agree they don't know a soldier or a police officer that would fire upon or harm an American citizen in such a scenario.
[edit to add]:
Maybe that's what blackwater and the agreement made a few months back with Canada (I think) saying we can come to each others countries to 'help out' is for?

[edit on 22-12-2008 by AmericanDaughter]

Canada is going above and beyond to help this country .Research recent deaths in Afghanistan .

i love this site, you guys are nuts and always come up with some nonsense!