Us Marine Drill Sergeant Boasts Of What They Will Do To Civilians Under Martial Law In The Usa/monta

Originally posted by neformore

Hmm.

Its a friend of a friend story.

Smacks of urban legend, and reads like it too.

BTW - what leads people to beleive that soldiers from the US will suddenly turn on their own people, families, homesteads etc?

its been done before in countless countries..i cant see why the US should be and different..people are people..

History shows over and again the willingness of the "military" to follow orders and kill their own countryman. Just picture in your minds the guy standing in front of the tank (China), the Soviet soldiers citizens worked to death in the Gulags or the German citizens murdered at the hands of the Nazis.

We would all like to think that our own neighbors would stand up and say a collective "NO!!!", but it won't happen like that. History speaks to us. Listen to it.

When the SHTF, they will come, not foreign troops, but our own, who will happily follow the orders given, as history has shown over and over they will.

I've been watching a BBC series via Netflix called "War of the Century" about the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. Fairly early on in the conflict, both sides issued the "do as you are told or you will be shot" order to their own side. Both sides shot their own soldiers (the few who refused to commit atrocities) as a lesson to their infantry. After that, both sides committed horrible atrocities in order to beat the other side into submission. The Nazis killed women and children on sight in the Ukraine and to this very day, ex-Nazis who participated are on camera talking about it as if it was simply "necessary".

Then you have the Mi Lai massacre in Vietnam and before that, in the Korean War, a similar massacre of women and children reportedly by U.S. troops.

So, sadly, it seems that when pressured sufficiently, any troops from any country, including your own, could and probably would commit atrocities under certain circumstances. It is evil, but they all use the excuse "it was war and we had to do it".

So, don't be so sure that troops of any kind won't turn on you if they are ordered to.

Also I got more news for you, theres nothing in Montana.

MONTANA

Malmstrom AFB - UN aircraft groups stationed here, and possibly a detention facility.

I agree, soldiers do not blindly follow unreasonable orders, hell, during 'Nam a lot of officers got fragged for just such orders. The old "gung ho" soldiers of WW2 are no more, todays Army is intelligent, well read, and know what is going on. And, the military is not the only one who have weapons....a lot, and I mean a lot of Americans are sitting on an arsenal in, or near their homes right now, automatic weapons, explosives and all. Let them try, is all I say. American may be complacent right now, but try and take away their beer, cigarettes, and football and see what happens!

Maybe that is why trooops of other nations are trained for the job.

Some poor man from a poor country would for sure do the job you are all talking about, specialy for a green card or the like.

That is the idea i have got trough the years.

I don't know. Most of the links, at the bottom of the page, were either "page not found" or "this page is open to buy".

But most of all I am stuck on the question of why? Supposedly there is already a "shadow government" in control. Why would they break up a good thing to roust us around? Snow job us and let them go take over Canada or Mexico. If we are the sheep they seem to think we are why use all kinds of resources to push us around?

I just don't see the up side for them if they run rough shod over the U.S. population. The American people are a hand full once push comes to shove.

Originally posted by kozmo
Yeah, the marines are hardasses, but their numbers are few. I personally know a few marines who have stated that would ignore orders to fire on US citizens. In fact, one stated to me that he would be likely to organize a resistance from within and seek to arrest officers who issue such orders as illegal. He assures me he's not alone.

From my own experience of being beside all branches I would say that this would be the prevailing action throughout our armed forces. Yes, there will be a few morons that would actually 'follow orders' under these circumstances and potentially open fire on American women and children. However, they won't last long at all. They will find themselves buried in a shallow grave.

Plus, my concern is that this marine, being such a long tenured veteran, would even mention such a plan to ANYONE without explicit orders to do so. Thus my 'BS' sensors keep going off.

I'm not saying that the story isn't true, I just question the validity of the statement of this NCO.

Originally posted by jaamaan
Maybe that is why trooops of other nations are trained for the job.

Some poor man from a poor country would for sure do the job you are all talking about, specialy for a green card or the like.

That is the idea i have got trough the years.

Now this is what scares me. I believe this to be more true than our own soldiers firing on us. However, unless the bulk of our forces, national guard as well, are stationed elsewhere, they are going to have their hands full. Even if our forces are elsewhere they will find that the people of this nation are better armed than they think.

reply to post by Tinman67


Sure, all you have to do is look back at Kent State University.How many American students were killed or wounded by American National Guard troops?
Oh it CAN happen here,you get enough confused and nervous people on both sides,blood will spill.

Well guess what, Im a former marine with the same training and same weapons, and I dont care who you are, if you come to my house to endanger my rights or my family than you will be treated as an enemy, marine or not. You would think that the marines if anybody would see through this B.S. and stand up.

reply to post by dariousg


That is a given that the American people are well armed.The vast majority are not trained to work in unison with others in a military type structure.Just the simple act of trying to form a"militia type" organization will get your doors broken down and your arms confiscated,or worse.
The news is littered over the years where ATF and FBI bust up "home grown militia" They love one man armies.They are extremely easy to take out.

Well guess what, Im a former marine with the same training and same weapons, and I dont care who you are, if you come to my house to endanger my rights or my family than you will be treated as an enemy, marine or not. You would think that the marines if anybody would see through this B.S. and stand up.

Hence the need for crowd control and deterent technology

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U.S. citizens at risk for military-weapons testing
It barely made news last week when Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne called for the testing of nonlethal weaponry on U.S. citizens in crowd-control situations. According to Wynne, “If we’re not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation.”

In operations called Project 112 and Project SHAD, the Defense Department assessed its WMD capabilities on service members aboard Navy ships, and in all sorts of other despicable ways – including spraying a Hawaiian rainforest and parts of Oahu. All in all, tests were conducted in six states (Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Utah) as well as in Canada, Britain and Panama.

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(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity.

(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.

(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related to riot control.



Also...
according to the SPP (security and prosperity partnership) between Canada and the U.S. each countries forces can be called into action e.g. u.s. army entering canada and visa versa in order to control the populace in emergency situations.
I don't think this arrangement is necessarily about using canadian troops in the u.s. as it is about taking over canada via u.s. forces.

Keep this in mind too...
the majority of the u.s. army are made up of individuals that lived in poorer conditions..
they were willing to join and kill if necessary in order to be able to live and eat...
Don't think they will not have to depend on the administration for their continued livelihood..
They will not see their families starve or become homeless...

reply to post by unity1


If you knew that this was posted before, why not contribute to that discussion? Here it is if you end up with a change of heart. www.abovetopsecret.com...

didn't know it was posted before...
i did do a search but did not use that title specifically..
just assumed that some of the material may be lying dormant somewhere..
nothing wrong with bringing more attention to it...now more than ever i think...
i'm sure there is good information on both..

This thread is disorganized, grabasstic nonsense! Another poster before me caught the red flag first: "Drill Sereant". Army, not Marine Corps.

There is no way on Earth that the world's finest, most efficient, undefeated fighting force would participate in such horse manure.
The Commandant simply would not have his troopers used in such a manner.

Another poster (another Brother), stated that he had the same training and experience... That same thing can be said the country over. Ask any Marine active or prior service that you know.

Once a Marine... You all know the rest.

Check the facts before you print such pap.

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Originally posted by switching yard
I've been watching a BBC series via Netflix called "War of the Century" about the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. Fairly early on in the conflict, both sides issued the "do as you are told or you will be shot" order to their own side. Both sides shot their own soldiers (the few who refused to commit atrocities) as a lesson to their infantry.

Most of the soldiers shot by their leaders were cowards who refused orders in a combat situation, or were killed for political disobedience after all they were under Hitler or Stalin.

After that, both sides committed horrible atrocities in order to beat the other side into submission. The Nazis killed women and children on sight in the Ukraine and to this very day, ex-Nazis who participated are on camera talking about it as if it was simply "necessary".

The Germans killed the Slavic people because they thought they were vermin that needed to be exterminated much like the Jews, The Russians fought back and killed Germans because they won and that's what you do when someone comes along and tries to kill you and fails.

Then you have the Mi Lai massacre in Vietnam and before that, in the Korean War, a similar massacre of women and children reportedly by U.S. Troops.

These were isolated incidents involving psychopaths that brought shame to the armed forces, defiantly not encouraged by superior officers unlike the Germans in WW II

So, sadly, it seems that when pressured sufficiently, any troops from any country, including your own, could and probably would commit atrocities under certain circumstances. It is evil, but they all use the excuse "it was war and we had to do it".

It's a stretch taking the violence of WW 2 which reached ludicrous levels and isolated events from other wars combining them to equal that the US Marines would try to take over the US and crush the constitution.

Originally posted by unity1

Also I got more news for you, theres nothing in Montana.

MONTANA

Malmstrom AFB - UN aircraft groups stationed here, and possibly a detention facility.

Malmstrom AFB as far as I can tell is home of the 341st Operations Support Squadron, not very nefarious, hell that's not even interesting.

If the government wants US Military to control or police civilians, it will happen.

Soldiers would be fighting in the streets against "militants", fellow Americans who are deemed by the state to be "enemy combatants".

Regardless of moral opinions, the military will be fighting against an enemy on their home soil, once a few accusations have been made against anarchists or protesters, the average marine wouldn't think twice about "defending their country" from supposed home-grown terrorists.

A soldier wouldn't be posted in their home town. They don't compare a masked person ready to throw a Molotov in their direction to the neighbor they went to school with, otherwise they wouldn't be able to do the job in ANY country.

The idea that soldiers would simply "refuse" to fight against terrorists in their own country (when they couldn't see that the invasion of Iraq was for oil) is naive.

And I can guarantee there would be a false-flag attack to make them want to fight. Just as the majority of Americans were looking for an enemy to fight after 9/11, another act on American soil whereby massive home-grown terrorism was blamed, would incite the same fervent reaction from all branches of the military, and without argument.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
If the government wants US Military to control or police civilians, it will happen.

Soldiers would be fighting in the streets against "militants", fellow Americans who are deemed by the state to be "enemy combatants".

Regardless of moral opinions, the military will be fighting against an enemy on their home soil, once a few accusations have been made against anarchists or protesters, the average marine wouldn't think twice about "defending their country" from supposed home-grown terrorists.

A soldier wouldn't be posted in their home town. They don't compare a masked person ready to throw a Molotov in their direction to the neighbor they went to school with, otherwise they wouldn't be able to do the job in ANY country.

The idea that soldiers would simply "refuse" to fight against terrorists in their own country (when they couldn't see that the invasion of Iraq was for oil) is naive.

And I can guarantee there would be a false-flag attack to make them want to fight. Just as the majority of Americans were looking for an enemy to fight after 9/11, another act on American soil whereby massive home-grown terrorism was blamed, would incite the same fervent reaction from all branches of the military, and without argument.

yep...it will probably involve children being hurt or killed...