Canada Admits - Alien Technology Operated by the USA

Argue all you want about the crediblity of this man but the fact is that the credibility of individuals claiming knowledge of aliens, ufo's, ect... is getting harder to ignore.

If he produced documents you would all still want more more more.

You wouldn't believe it if Fox Mulder and a Grey come a knocking at your door.

Some American's knowledge of Canadian militarty is oh so poor.

Rhymes in a thread is such a bore, but after I slipped in the line more more more, it was just too tempting that I couldn't resist.......

therefore....... I must admit, that I couldn't quit, and Canadian Bacon on an egg McMuffin is a pretty good fit.

Okay Okay I'm done!!!!

On a more serious note. Please don't bash our brothers and sister to the north. As an American, I'm ashamed that some of you do not realize that Canadian military personel have fought and died in battle for the stablization of Afghanistan. I was brought to tears watching a clip of a Canadian soldier being laid to rest for a fight we started....

We owe Canada our respect, gratitude, and friendship no matter what!

Thank you Canada!!!!!

edited due to a bad American education.




[edit on 19-12-2008 by Volton]

reply to post by gandalph


"People, STOP CITING POSITION OF AUTHORITY IN ORDER TO MAKE ANY STATEMENT MORE TRUSTWORTHY.

This cannot be overstated.

As a homework, as a service to yourself and your fellow man, as a service to your country, please, I pray, go and grab Psychology 101 book and read it. What you learn about human behaviour and thinking will change your life, for the better. "

First of all, the irony in this statement is striking. You ORDER people to stop using an appeal to authority while using an equally fallacious appeal to authority. Not only that, but you imply that anyone who doesn't see things as you do is stupid.

Secondly, I would agree that in the topic of this particular thread, an appeal to the authority of the Minister of Defense's position is uncalled for, but that isn't the appeal you took contention with. You used a bogus argument against FOUR HUNDRED Governmental Whistle-Blowers who DO HAVE HARD EVIDENCE and are awaiting their day before Congress to give it.



PS: Sorry folks, I had to jump ahead to address this issue. Back to catching up on the thread now.

[edit on 19-12-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

[edit on 19-12-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

[edit on 19-12-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

I think the topic of the thread is misleading - you can't equate the opinions of a former Minister of Defense with anything approaching the offiicial government position.

I think Hellyer is sincere in his convictions although I do questions his primary written source reference (Corso's "Day After Roswell"). He also states he has been briefed by an unamed military source - this was long after his government career.

One thing though reveal when he was defense minister, he was taking part in the opening of an "Alien Landing Pad" that the community of St. Paul, Alberta built for Canada's centenial year, 1967. When he spoke at the opening he noted that Canada had once designated an official "UFO Landing Zone" in the vast and empty lands comprising Suffield Experimental Station in southern Alberta. The area is also a significant army base and I recall back in the late 1960s and 1970s is was used extensively by the UK army for battefield training. I recall the base vividly as I had two friends whose fathers worked at the base or experimental station. One was a scientist which interested me a great deal. I wanted to know what sort of work he was doing but my friend didn't and probably couldn't tell me. The site was a centre of biological and chemical weapons research and was also a place where chemical weapons were stored. They blew up a huge gas bag full of Mustard gas to reduce the inventory and the explosion was much like an atom bomb going off. I didn't see the explosion but I did see the huge mushroom cloud afterwards. Suffield was only about 16 miles NW of Medicine Hat.

The designation of the UFO landing are was done around 1954. I believe the intention was to encourage aliens to land. The story told by the widow of Wilbert Smith (who ran Canada's research project into UFOs in the 1950s), her story was that the aliens had been making contact through channellers. The government thought they might be able to entice them to land under strict government secrecy but apparently the Canadian government could not provide assurances that the aliens would be allowed to freely leave once they had landed. I know this part of the story seems wierd, but not much wierder than the notion that the Canadian government possibly took this much more seriously back in the 1950s than they show today.

Oh my, this is unbelievable. Listen, obviously he isn't calling for disclosure from an official government position. But, and this is a very BIG but, this man was given the ministry of defense, and he served in this capacity. He was privy to information you could only dream of, with regards to ufos, as ufos are classified in the highest manner as defense. From a position of someone who served in a very high capacity, he is calling for disclosure of ufos and the alternative energy that can save our world. This means, ufos are real, and they're sitting on technology that should already have been applied to the world, in a capacity that benefits everyone, not just mete out and sell out patents for technology, to the highest bidder.

reply to post by mystiq


You could very well be correct. However, you could also very well be wrong.
If he doesn't bring evidence with his claim, his claim goes on the record as an opinion.

Wait..
Canada has a defence?
A defence against what?
Why would anyone or anything attack Canada?
Wait...
Is it defence or defense?
Why would anyone spell it two different ways?
Stop!!!
Hammer time.

Originally posted by cruzion
Wait..
Canada has a defence?
A defence against what?
Why would anyone or anything attack Canada?
Wait...
Is it defence or defense?
Why would anyone spell it two different ways?
Stop!!!
Hammer time.

Yeh, pretty funny. Not to disparage the good old USA but it has got to be the country of the laziest spellers. When I say that I acknowledge that there are many people who do know how to spell in the USA but that hardly says anything about the average American who is pretty ignorant about many things, like geography, history, etc. Etc.

But at least they know brand names and the most annoying detail about celebrities. Do Americans know anything (as a group - not individuals) about anything outside TV, videos and pop culCHU?

Hmmm. An intersting question to ponder.

(And the truth is I love Americans but I think they are rapidly becoming more dumbed down than even ... take a breath here... Canadians.

Cherio chaps,

Please I am so sick of the Canada jokes and bashing. Funny once in a while, but it really ruins the thread to have to filter through so much junk to have an honest discussion.

Canada is "critical" to NATO and to the USA's defense...any defense minister in NATO that says the US has alien tech should be listened to. Make your own decisions if he's correct or not, but to pooh pooh it and come up with jokes really is a disservice to this board when a high ranking official believes what he believes. I know, I know, I should "lighten up"...I'm just tired of it, it happens every time in these Canada vs. USA threads.

Its probably a bit off topic but as long as we are dwelling on the relative merits of "friends across the border", one point I feel I could make is that President Bush last week in response to the "flying shoe incident" looked only slightly more believeable than Zimbabwe President, his greatest, most exalted being in the universe, Mugabe.

And here we are on the cusp of a new president being sworn in, and all we can do is hope that he won't turn out to be as corrupt as his fellow politicians from what is generally characterized as one of the most corrupt states in the USA, Illinois.

Gee, I wonder how much they could get for his senate seat? (Yeah, get this senate seat and you just might be the next President!)

Anyways, I hope neither Americans or Canuckians-in-arms take offence to the discussion. Hellyer did arrrive at his conclusions for a reason, I presume, beyond what is stated in Corso's book - or so I hope.

Anyways, I don't need him or anyone else to affirm my observations from my own personal experience. I agree with those who state "Why would you trust him if you wouldn't trust another person from a similar background who said the opposite". That of course is a very good point.

So all we can say is that maybe Hellyer showed some ability at honesty when he told Canadians about the UFO landing site in 1967 - that is of course- assuming this was true.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
"People, STOP CITING POSITION OF AUTHORITY IN ORDER TO MAKE ANY STATEMENT MORE TRUSTWORTHY.

This cannot be overstated.

So what your saying is...

Those on the OUTSIDE have no clue as to what's going on on the INSIDE so everything they say is bunk or hearsay with no evidence

Those on the INSIDE who know come forward and talk... but we can't take their word for it so everything they say is bunk or hearsay with no evidence

Yet we all scream for disclosure from those in the know on the INSIDE... but when they do come out to say we don't believe them or ridicule them or insult them...

Why then would ANYONE want to give disclosure?

How insane is that?

For years I heard people say "When an Astronaut tells me... I will believe..'

Gordon Cooper told you (and the UN) but you don't believe
Edgar Mitchell told you but you don't believe

Silly Lemmings... your your own worst enemies





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[edit on 20-12-2008 by zorgon]

We aren't bashing anyone. Merely making fun of. Very different.
Besides, if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?
I laugh at Americans making fun of Brits all the time.
Sorry for the off-topic.

Why?

Why would all those people, probably thousands by now, discredit themselves by acknowledging the ufo phenomenon? Because it's fun being ridiculed? Or maybe have a 1% chance to gain some publicity and sell some book/dvd? Wake up.

Oh, and someone mentioned, he must be anti-american in some ways. Take a look from the WORLDPERSPECTIVE and tell me how you possibly can be PRO-american today?

reply to post by mortje

Good post!
US citizens have no right ripping
into another countries people,until
they can get their own house in order!
Very childish!

We're talking about UFO's here. Most of the posts on this page are off topic, where's the moderator?

I guess there have never been any UFO's which have crashed in Canada, and I guess Aliens speak only to the US government.

If I were an alien and I traversed space and time to reach another world, I would try to contact as many governments as I could. If I wanted to offer help and share technology with earthlings I wouldn't speak with the US gov. exclusively.

The Defense minister's speech suggests real Aliens have only spoken with and offered help to the Americans, and that Americans blew it by shooting at the aliens. And, Americans are the only tech savvy country in the world where there has been a recovered UFO, and subsequently harnessed Alien technology.

Does this make sense?

Aliens flew all the way here just to speak to the Americans about offering help and offering technology, and we just started shooting at them! We Americans blew it for the whole world didn't we?

So the Aliens decided to ignore the rest of the governments on earth and go home? And from that point on the Aliens have also managed not to crash anywhere else in the world?

I know, you're saying that whenever a UFO crashes anywhere else in the world the Americans rush in a snatch it up. Especially when one crashes in Canada. The Canadians just say here you go Americans, come get your flying saucer! Really? And this must also have happened in the former USSR? In China? North Korea? They all just hand over their crashed flying saucers to us?

I love Canadians, but that's not the point here. It's amazing how gullible people can be when they are being sold something that suits their prejudices, or paranoia. If it supports your own angry, or paranoid beliefs, no problem, you'll buy right into it.





[edit on 20-12-2008 by Electro38]

Originally posted by sensfan
I like France...especially the fries and toast.

Fries were invented by Belgium

Originally posted by mystiq
Oh my, this is unbelievable. Listen, obviously he isn't calling for disclosure from an official government position. But, and this is a very BIG but, this man was given the ministry of defense, and he served in this capacity. He was privy to information you could only dream of, with regards to ufos, as ufos are classified in the highest manner as defense...

How many times do you need to be told that nothing that happened during his tenure as Minister of Defense informed his position? Under his own admission, he learned nothing, nothing while in office.

Hellyer described his time as Minister for Defense from 1963-1967 where the occasional UFO sighting report crossed his desk. He claims to never have had time for what he considered to be a "flight of fancy"...but did not give much thought to UFOs as having serious policy implications... SOURCE

Why do you keep claiming that he was privy to information about UFOs when he was Minister of Defense, when the facts clearly show that he was not? Why have you repeatedly ignored this?

You are not denying ignorance, you are wallowing in it.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by mystiq

 

You could very well be correct. However, you could also very well be wrong.
If he doesn't bring evidence with his claim, his claim goes on the record as an opinion.

I know I'm not wrong. His position speaks volumes. But he can't bring proof out. He's left, speaking around the issue as much as he can, letting us connect the dots and use logic and common sense to see what this means. I'm sure he loves his family a little too much to place them in jeopardy.

[edit on 20-12-2008 by mystiq]

Originally posted by Electro38
It's amazing how gullible people can be when they are being sold something that suits their prejudices, or paranoia. If it supports your own angry, or paranoid beliefs, no problem, you'll buy right into it.

This thread is a prime example of this. People like Mystiq continue to repeat the same claims, when it has been demonstrated to them many times that the facts do not support their claims. They refuse to exercise their critical-thinking centers to see through the holes in Hellyer's story. If too many questions are asked, the answers may lead to an answer they do not want.

Instead, they accept it wholecloth because he is saying what they want to hear; if Hellyer was saying there is no cover-up and things like Corco's book are bunk, we would not be having this conversation. They would say he is a liar, part of the cover-up. But when he says what they want to hear, we should accept it, blind and without question.

[edit on 20-12-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Originally posted by mystiq
I know I'm not wrong. His position speaks volumes. But he can't bring proof out. He's left, speaking around the issue as much as he can, letting us connect the dots and use logic and common sense to see what this means. I'm sure he loves his family a little too much to place them in jeopardy.

You are making assumption that you have absolutely no backing for. And much like Hellyer's story, it has no internal logic. He's not admitting to things he personally knows because he does not want anyone to get hurt; yet he has no problem throwing his US general friend under the bus. Certainly, those responsible for the cover-up would easily be able to determine who Hellyer had talked to, right?

No logic and no sense.